Re: OT bad week for us

[Guest guest]

I was going to adopt another orange tom after my baby died from a rescue

center but when they fixed him he died in surgery. They are so friendly. I

got two kittens instead and neither of them wants to settle down and be my

lap cat. I am sorry about your Sophie!

R

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From: " Dorothy " <dorv@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:57 AM

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Subject: RE: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

Cats will let you know..I lost my Sophie when she was 17.

She was truly a " perfect " cat for 17 years. At the end when she became

sick, she stopped eating. She became so weak & I had an IV at home and

would insert the needle into the back of her neck and let the IV drip for 5

minutes just to get her some hydration. At the vet's office, they tried

force feeding her and the vet told me that even in her weakened state, she

was " defiant " and clamped her mouth closed and pulled back. He said, she's

trying to tell us something. It was then that I had to let her go.

[Guest guest]

I see it in the elderly a lot....they stop eating and drinking. It is time

for them to pass. Families have a real hard time with that phase though we

assure them it is normal and they are not hungry or they would eat.

I am a real proponent of choices when facing death. I personally would not

want respirators and feeding tubes. Nor CPR if I was terminal. Maybe at

this time but not even sure now.

I can understand the unruly two year old kittens lol. Both of mine are like

that. They just will not settle down and be good! Maybe one day.

R

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From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:24 PM

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Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

Dorothy and group;

I believe when someone gets so old they quit eating, its their body

shutting down, Time to go to heaven. I don't believe we should put

our elderly to sleep. But i do believe in the living will, as not to

keep our bodies alive. I use to hate the living will. Now that I am

aging I have a change of mind haaaaaaa. No funny but funny.

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry you lost your cat. That is so kind to adopt a cat or

dog. I have more than my share of pets lol. All my pets are rescue

pets.

gentle hugs

Clora

[Guest guest]

and group;

are you a nurse? Do you work with the elderly? My kitten will

settle down I guess in a few months. I hope so anyway. I have worked

with many elderly that passed. THey just shut down. It was really hard

to see them go. I have fond memories of them.

gentle hugs

Clora

[Guest guest]

:

As am I. I am also a proponent of assisted suicide. I don't think it's our

right to tell someone that they *have* to continue suffering because *we say

so*. But that's all I'll say on this subject. I hope I haven't upset anyone.

--

Dodge

Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic

with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong, because sometime

in your life you will have been all of these.

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- R <AR@...> wrote:

=============

I see it in the elderly a lot....they stop eating and drinking. It is time

for them to pass. Families have a real hard time with that phase though we

assure them it is normal and they are not hungry or they would eat.

I am a real proponent of choices when facing death. I personally would not

want respirators and feeding tubes. Nor CPR if I was terminal. Maybe at

this time but not even sure now.

[Guest guest]

Dodge and group;

I am not offended. But it's against my religion for anyone to commit

sucide for any reason. I believe we shouldnt keep someone on tubes and

extreme means to live if they choose not too. I do believe its against

the law to assist suicide. That reminds me of Korvikeon. I want to

laugh but I might get in trouble with GIna.

gentle hugs

Clora

[Guest guest]

Dodge,

I have to agree with you 100%. No your post did not offend me in the least.

The interesting part is that doctors have been performing " assisted

suicide " from the beginning of medical practice that we know.

Helping the terminally ill and suffering ease the pain to the end. Now its

some sort of big deal....in the news.

My grandmother was terminally ill with cancer. Her doc said increase the

morphine until she was comfortable. And we all know the outcome of high doses

of morphine. But it was better that withholding the morphine and watching

her suffer.

Toni

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Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:18 pm (PDT)

:

As am I. I am also a proponent of assisted suicide. I don't think it's our

right to tell someone that they *have* to continue suffering because *we say

so*. But that's all I'll say on this subject. I hope I haven't upset anyone.

--

Dodge

Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged,

sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong, because

sometime

in your life you will have been all of these.

Read my blog at:

_http://jumpthis.http://jumhtt_ (http://jumpthis.wordpress.com/)

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Kittens typically don't want to be lap cats!! That happens when they get

older...then they'll be fighting each other for your lap!

Lately, my Pearl had been moving closer to me at night. I adopted her

9/14/04 and she worked her way right into my heart, but she is not a lap

cat. They said she was around 3 or so at that time...she had been rescued

from a town shelter before she was going to be euthanized. So she's about 7

now and I notice she's getting closer and closer.

She used to wake me in the morning so I would get up and feed her. This

morning, I awoke and it was 8:45 (REALLY late for me!) and she was curled up

right in the crook of my outstretched arm. I just laid there a while and

petted her and she was content just to be with me in bed a little longer. I

expect that pretty soon, she'll be looking for a lap to curl up in too :-)

Dorothy

P.S. I recommend an older cat for anyone with RA who would love a pet, but

think they can't handle it. Older cats are calmer than kittens - who can

jump straight in the air like they have springs on their cute little paws!

Cats don't have to be walked. There's very minimal training - show them a

litter pan and your training is usually done. The upkeep is feeding them

and making sure they have clean, fresh water and keeping their litter fresh.

The new scoopable litters have even made that easier these days. Regular

vet visits are recommended and there are any number of low cost options

available all over the country. I guarantee that the care you give them

will be returned to you hundreds of times over >^..^<

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of R

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:53 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

I was going to adopt another orange tom after my baby died from a rescue

center but when they fixed him he died in surgery. They are so friendly. I

got two kittens instead and neither of them wants to settle down and be my

lap cat. I am sorry about your Sophie!

R

[Guest guest]

All three of my now Angel Cats lived long, happy lives. I really do

miss having them around me. Each one did have a distinct personality,

also.

>

>

> It was her time. She lived a very happy, long life and I treasured

her and

> the gifts she gave to me.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Toni and group;

I am against assisted suicide. But in the case of your grandmother.

I think the morphin is more humaine than letting her suffer. So I

just have a limitied opinion on this subject. Twenty years ago I

would have been appaled at that. But since I have suffered from RA,

I am changing my views to an extent

gentle hugs

Clora

> Dodge,

> I have to agree with you 100%. No your post did not offend me in

the least.

> The interesting part is that doctors have been

performing " assisted

> suicide " from the beginning of medical practice that we know.

>

> Helping the terminally ill and suffering ease the pain to the

end. Now its

> some sort of big deal....in the news.

>

> My grandmother was terminally ill with cancer. Her doc said

increase the

> morphine until she was comfortable. And we all know the outcome

of high doses

> of morphine. But it was better that withholding the morphine and

watching

> her suffer.

>

>

> Toni

[Guest guest]

I can understand your thoughts on assisted suicide and agree with you

to a point. I think every situation is different and no one should be

able to tell some one they need to continue to suffer, because they

don't want to let go of someone they love.

I have a story of the day I gave up and would have declined " heroic

measures " had I been given the choice, in June of 2002. I had been

teaching in Kenya and took a trip to the refugee camps in Northern

Uganda and Southern Sudan. While there I contracted Falciparum

Malaria. I traveled to my sister's in the UAE, not knowing until I'd

been at her house for three days that I was sick. It came on suddenly

and strongly. I was sick for about 4 days at her house before we

realized it was something worse than a stomach bug. I went to a

private clinic called Al Noor, were I was diagnosed with malaria. I

was treated there for 10 days until my lungs started to fill with

fluid. I was transfered to a public hospital called Al Jazera, were I

stayed for 3 days. I was slowly suffocating and it hurt more than

anything I've ever felt. I gave up. When they chose to intubate me

the anesthesiologist put a mask over my mouth and nose and told me to

breath deeply. I couldn't but I closed my eyes and told God I was

tired of fighting and I was ready to go. When I woke up 11 days later

I had a tube down my throat, a feeding tube through my nose and a

central line in my jugular. I was in a private locals only hospital

called Sheik Kaleffa Hospital, that my sister had gotten me into. I

saw my Mom, my twin brother and my sister. My Mom had gotten there

the first night I was on the ventilated and my twin brother had been

there since I first went to Al Noor Clinic. I was taken off the

machines and slowly recovered. I still get lung infections easily and

my lungs are badly scarred. I have a heart murmur from my heart

swelling and damaging one of the valves. I gave up and told God I was

tired and was letting go, but the machines kept me alive until I was

strong enough to do it on my own. I know the situation is different

and I was only 22. I wasn't given a choice of letting go or holding

on. I think at the time I would have declined the vent and let go. It

hurt so much and afterwards the recovery was incredibly difficult.

I know this was a long, somewhat rambling story but I wanted to share

my experience.

>

> =============

> I see it in the elderly a lot....they stop eating and drinking. It

is time

> for them to pass. Families have a real hard time with that phase

though we

> assure them it is normal and they are not hungry or they would eat.

>

> I am a real proponent of choices when facing death. I personally

would not

> want respirators and feeding tubes. Nor CPR if I was terminal.

Maybe at

> this time but not even sure now.

>

[Guest guest]

Joanna:

I'm glad you did share your experience, and I'm glad you are still here!

I'll tell you a little about me because I believe you're new and therefore don't

know.

Three years ago, I was fighting a wildfire. I had been a paramedic, a

firefighter and a national park ranger ever since high school and life was good.

I was put on a crew with an inexperienced crew chief and he did not communicate

to us clearly. We did not know where our safety zones were and were caught in

an entrapment. I'll skip over the rest of the story, as I don't want to air it

on a public list, however I will tell anyone via private email, but I will say

this. I came out of the deal with 4th and 5th degree burns over 85% of my body.

I had burns so bad my bones and organs were burned. I had contractures, where

the muscles, tendons and ligaments are burned so badly they are shortened.

They said I'd never talk again and I did. They said I'd never walk again and I

do. They said I'd never be a medic again, or a firefighter, or a park ranger...

And I am...

At one point, I told my doctor I wanted to die. I told him to put some Benadryl

in with my Morphine and let me go. He said, " Ok, are you sure? " I told him I

was. He came in with a needle, stuck it in my IV and I went to sleep, for what

I thought would be the last time. I woke up eleven days later with him standing

over me... he said, " So, Dodge, do you want to live today? " I called him a

real bad word and then said, " I'll think about it. "

I thought about it... Long and hard... They'd give me pain pills and every day

I'd count those pills and figure how many it would take to end it all. I got

tired... Tired of being called a " freak show " tired of living in pain... Tired

of not being able to do the things I love.

And then one day I said, the hell with it. I'm gonna be a medic, I'm gonna

fight fires and you're not keeping me out of my national parks -- the places I

love...

And I do and I am. Some call me a freak show. Some call me a monster because

of how I look, but...you know what? That's ok.

Ok, I've rambled on waaay more than I intended. I'm sorry all.

--

Dodge

Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic

with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong, because sometime

in your life you will have been all of these.

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- Joanna <jmh0280@...> wrote:

=============

I can understand your thoughts on assisted suicide and agree with you

to a point. I think every situation is different and no one should be

able to tell some one they need to continue to suffer, because they

don't want to let go of someone they love.

I have a story of the day I gave up and would have declined " heroic

measures " had I been given the choice, in June of 2002. I had been

teaching in Kenya and took a trip to the refugee camps in Northern

Uganda and Southern Sudan. While there I contracted Falciparum

Malaria. I traveled to my sister's in the UAE, not knowing until I'd

been at her house for three days that I was sick. It came on suddenly

and strongly. I was sick for about 4 days at her house before we

realized it was something worse than a stomach bug. I went to a

private clinic called Al Noor, were I was diagnosed with malaria. I

was treated there for 10 days until my lungs started to fill with

fluid. I was transfered to a public hospital called Al Jazera, were I

stayed for 3 days. I was slowly suffocating and it hurt more than

anything I've ever felt. I gave up. When they chose to intubate me

the anesthesiologist put a mask over my mouth and nose and told me to

breath deeply. I couldn't but I closed my eyes and told God I was

tired of fighting and I was ready to go. When I woke up 11 days later

I had a tube down my throat, a feeding tube through my nose and a

central line in my jugular. I was in a private locals only hospital

called Sheik Kaleffa Hospital, that my sister had gotten me into. I

saw my Mom, my twin brother and my sister. My Mom had gotten there

the first night I was on the ventilated and my twin brother had been

there since I first went to Al Noor Clinic. I was taken off the

machines and slowly recovered. I still get lung infections easily and

my lungs are badly scarred. I have a heart murmur from my heart

swelling and damaging one of the valves. I gave up and told God I was

tired and was letting go, but the machines kept me alive until I was

strong enough to do it on my own. I know the situation is different

and I was only 22. I wasn't given a choice of letting go or holding

on. I think at the time I would have declined the vent and let go. It

hurt so much and afterwards the recovery was incredibly difficult.

I know this was a long, somewhat rambling story but I wanted to share

my experience.

[Guest guest]

and group;

OMG LAURA, That story was so good. I am sad for you going through

this. But very interesting. It sounds like something one would read

out of readers digest.

hugs Clora

> I can understand your thoughts on assisted suicide and agree with

you

> to a point. I think every situation is different and no one should

be

> able to tell some one they need to continue to suffer, because

they

> don't want to let go of someone they love.

>

> I have a story of the day I gave up and would have

declined " heroic

> measures " had I been given the choice, in June of 2002. I had been

> teaching in Kenya and took a trip to the refugee camps in Northern

> Uganda and Southern Sudan. While there I contracted Falciparum

> Malaria. I traveled to my sister's in the UAE, not knowing until

I'd

> been at her house for three days that I was sick. It came on

suddenly

> and strongly. I was sick for about 4 days at her house before we

> realized it was something worse than a stomach bug. I went to a

> private clinic called Al Noor, were I was diagnosed with malaria.

I

> was treated there for 10 days until my lungs started to fill with

> fluid. I was transfered to a public hospital called Al Jazera,

were I

> stayed for 3 days. I was slowly suffocating and it hurt more than

> anything I've ever felt. I gave up. When they chose to intubate me

> the anesthesiologist put a mask over my mouth and nose and told me

to

> breath deeply. I couldn't but I closed my eyes and told God I was

> tired of fighting and I was ready to go. When I woke up 11 days

later

> I had a tube down my throat, a feeding tube through my nose and a

> central line in my jugular. I was in a private locals only

hospital

> called Sheik Kaleffa Hospital, that my sister had gotten me into.

I

> saw my Mom, my twin brother and my sister. My Mom had gotten there

> the first night I was on the ventilated and my twin brother had

been

> there since I first went to Al Noor Clinic. I was taken off the

> machines and slowly recovered. I still get lung infections easily

and

> my lungs are badly scarred. I have a heart murmur from my heart

> swelling and damaging one of the valves. I gave up and told God I

was

> tired and was letting go, but the machines kept me alive until I

was

> strong enough to do it on my own. I know the situation is

different

> and I was only 22. I wasn't given a choice of letting go or

holding

> on. I think at the time I would have declined the vent and let go.

It

> hurt so much and afterwards the recovery was incredibly difficult.

> I know this was a long, somewhat rambling story but I wanted to

share

> my experience.

>

> >

> > :

[Guest guest]

Dodge and group;

Thats what I mean Dodge. How are we to know when to let go. Your

condition I would have probably chose a different direction than the

doctor took. But I would have been wrong. Look at you now. Your life

is full. You have a wonderful mate. So what if you look different.

Your entitled to a wonderful life. I dont want a world of same ole

same ole. I hope your doing ok. Hope the air is better. i am glad

to have ya here Dodge.

gentle hugs

Clora

> Joanna:

>

> I'm glad you did share your experience, and I'm glad you are still

here!

>

> I'll tell you a little about me because I believe you're new and

therefore don't know.

>

> Three years ago, I was fighting a wildfire. I had been a

paramedic, a firefighter and a national park ranger ever since high

school and life was good. I was put on a crew with an inexperienced

crew chief and he did not communicate to us clearly. We did not

know where our safety zones were and were caught in an entrapment.

I'll skip over the rest of the story, as I don't want to air it on a

public list, however I will tell anyone via private email, but I

will say this. I came out of the deal with 4th and 5th degree burns

over 85% of my body. I had burns so bad my bones and organs were

burned. I had contractures, where the muscles, tendons and

ligaments are burned so badly they are shortened.

>

> They said I'd never talk again and I did. They said I'd never

walk again and I do. They said I'd never be a medic again, or a

firefighter, or a park ranger... And I am...

>

> At one point, I told my doctor I wanted to die. I told him to put

some Benadryl in with my Morphine and let me go. He said, " Ok, are

you sure? " I told him I was. He came in with a needle, stuck it in

my IV and I went to sleep, for what I thought would be the last

time. I woke up eleven days later with him standing over me... he

said, " So, Dodge, do you want to live today? " I called him a real

bad word and then said, " I'll think about it. "

>

> I thought about it... Long and hard... They'd give me pain pills

and every day I'd count those pills and figure how many it would

take to end it all. I got tired... Tired of being called a " freak

show " tired of living in pain... Tired of not being able to do the

things I love.

>

> And then one day I said, the hell with it. I'm gonna be a medic,

I'm gonna fight fires and you're not keeping me out of my national

parks -- the places I love...

>

> And I do and I am. Some call me a freak show. Some call me a

monster because of how I look, but...you know what? That's ok.

>

> Ok, I've rambled on waaay more than I intended. I'm sorry all.

>

> --

> Dodge

>

> Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged,

sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong,

because sometime

> in your life you will have been all of these.

>

> Read my blog at:

> http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

>

> ---- Joanna <jmh0280@...> wrote:

>

> =============

> I can understand your thoughts on assisted suicide and agree with

you

> to a point. I think every situation is different and no one should

be

> able to tell some one they need to continue to suffer, because

they

> don't want to let go of someone they love.

>

> I have a story of the day I gave up and would have

declined " heroic

> measures " had I been given the choice, in June of 2002. I had been

> teaching in Kenya and took a trip to the refugee camps in Northern

> Uganda and Southern Sudan. While there I contracted Falciparum

> Malaria. I traveled to my sister's in the UAE, not knowing until

I'd

> been at her house for three days that I was sick. It came on

suddenly

> and strongly. I was sick for about 4 days at her house before we

> realized it was something worse than a stomach bug. I went to a

> private clinic called Al Noor, were I was diagnosed with malaria.

I

> was treated there for 10 days until my lungs started to fill with

> fluid. I was transfered to a public hospital called Al Jazera,

were I

> stayed for 3 days. I was slowly suffocating and it hurt more than

> anything I've ever felt. I gave up. When they chose to intubate me

> the anesthesiologist put a mask over my mouth and nose and told me

to

> breath deeply. I couldn't but I closed my eyes and told God I was

> tired of fighting and I was ready to go. When I woke up 11 days

later

> I had a tube down my throat, a feeding tube through my nose and a

> central line in my jugular. I was in a private locals only

hospital

> called Sheik Kaleffa Hospital, that my sister had gotten me into.

I

> saw my Mom, my twin brother and my sister. My Mom had gotten there

> the first night I was on the ventilated and my twin brother had

been

> there since I first went to Al Noor Clinic. I was taken off the

> machines and slowly recovered. I still get lung infections easily

and

> my lungs are badly scarred. I have a heart murmur from my heart

> swelling and damaging one of the valves. I gave up and told God I

was

> tired and was letting go, but the machines kept me alive until I

was

> strong enough to do it on my own. I know the situation is

different

> and I was only 22. I wasn't given a choice of letting go or

holding

> on. I think at the time I would have declined the vent and let go.

It

> hurt so much and afterwards the recovery was incredibly difficult.

> I know this was a long, somewhat rambling story but I wanted to

share

> my experience.

>

[Guest guest]

Dodge;

Contradictory, Read my other post. Many are set in religion. I try

to think of a merciful God of mine. I cant believe God would want to

prolong a dying person in pain. Giveing extra pain medicateion to

some one isnt so bad. Gosh

Clora

>

> I understand what you're saying, but that seems a bit

contradictory. You say you are against someone being kept on tubes

and using extreme measures if they don't want that, but yet you say

you are against assisted suicide. So, you're fine with me not

wanting extreme measures to keep me alive but not fine with my

doctor pulling the plug? Is that what you're saying? I'm just

trying to understand, not tryting to be critical.

>

> It is personally against my reiligion to commit suicide, but it is

also my belief that people shouldn't have to suffer, and although I

wouldn't do it myself, (now), I also believe that others have the

right to that choice.

>

> With love and hugs,

>

> --

> Dodge

>

> Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged,

sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong,

because sometime

> in your life you will have been all of these.

>

> Read my blog at:

> http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

>

> ---- CLORA <clora4jesus@...> wrote:

>

> =============

> Dodge and group;

>

> I am not offended. But it's against my religion for anyone to

commit

> sucide for any reason. I believe we shouldnt keep someone on tubes

and

> extreme means to live if they choose not too. I do believe its

against

> the law to assist suicide. That reminds me of Korvikeon. I want to

> laugh but I might get in trouble with GIna.

>

> gentle hugs

> Clora

> y

>

[Guest guest]

All my animals are rescue animals. They seem to find me!

R

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From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:06 PM

< >

Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

I am so sorry you lost your cat. That is so kind to adopt a cat or

dog. I have more than my share of pets lol. All my pets are rescue

pets.

gentle hugs

Clora

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I am not a nurse, I worked on an ambulance for 3 years until I hurt my back.

Was taking nursing courses at the time but they got me to change my major to

psychology. I am fully trained in emergency procedures though and trained

as a med tech (to be able to hand out medicines in assisted living). I run

a small assisted living and love it when I am not going nuts trying to get

everything done. My little hospice lady passed very peacefully Friday after

noon. She had shut down, it is hard to see them go but you know when they

are ready.

R

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From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:10 PM

< >

Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

and group;

are you a nurse? Do you work with the elderly? My kitten will

settle down I guess in a few months. I hope so anyway. I have worked

with many elderly that passed. THey just shut down. It was really hard

to see them go. I have fond memories of them.

gentle hugs

Clora

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I could not help someone with that but I do think we are kinder to animals

than we are people. I am very thankful for hospice because at least they

can keep them pain free for the most part.

R

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From: " Dodge " <medicdodge@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:18 PM

< >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

:

As am I. I am also a proponent of assisted suicide. I don't think it's our

right to tell someone that they *have* to continue suffering because *we say

so*. But that's all I'll say on this subject. I hope I haven't upset

anyone.

--

Dodge

[Guest guest]

And aren't they the sweetest??

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of R

Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

All my animals are rescue animals. They seem to find me!

R

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From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@ <mailto:clora4jesus%40> >

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:06 PM

< @gro <mailto: %40> ups.com>

Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

I am so sorry you lost your cat. That is so kind to adopt a cat or

dog. I have more than my share of pets lol. All my pets are rescue

pets.

gentle hugs

Clora

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[Guest guest]

Gizmo used to be a lap cat....now he just runs around! Maybe one of these

days! It is funny how they change as they get older.

R

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From: " Dorothy " <dorv@...>

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:12 AM

< >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

Kittens typically don't want to be lap cats!! That happens when they get

older...then they'll be fighting each other for your lap!

Lately, my Pearl had been moving closer to me at night. I adopted her

9/14/04 and she worked her way right into my heart, but she is not a lap

cat. They said she was around 3 or so at that time...she had been rescued

from a town shelter before she was going to be euthanized. So she's about 7

now and I notice she's getting closer and closer.

[Guest guest]

Wow Dodge you have been to **** and back! Literally! I have seen a

wildfire way too up close and personal as a child, my grandfather was a

logger and had some property that was burning. I followed him around and

naturally wanted to go see. He put me in the car and put me where he

thought I was safe but the fire jumped the lines and it was coming straight

for me. He told me to stay in the car and I trusted him so I did, he saw

what was happening and moved it...but not before I was really scared!!!

To me what matters is the inside and you are beautiful inside Dodge, I can

tell.

R

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From: " Dodge " <medicdodge@...>

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:42 PM

< >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

Joanna:

I'm glad you did share your experience, and I'm glad you are still here!

I'll tell you a little about me because I believe you're new and therefore

don't know.

Three years ago, I was fighting a wildfire. I had been a paramedic, a

firefighter and a national park ranger ever since high school and life was

good. I was put on a crew with an inexperienced crew chief and he did not

communicate to us clearly. We did not know where our safety zones were and

were caught in an entrapment. I'll skip over the rest of the story, as I

don't want to air it on a public list, however I will tell anyone via

private email, but I will say this. I came out of the deal with 4th and 5th

degree burns over 85% of my body. I had burns so bad my bones and organs

were burned. I had contractures, where the muscles, tendons and ligaments

are burned so badly they are shortened.

They said I'd never talk again and I did. They said I'd never walk again

and I do. They said I'd never be a medic again, or a firefighter, or a park

ranger... And I am...

At one point, I told my doctor I wanted to die. I told him to put some

Benadryl in with my Morphine and let me go. He said, " Ok, are you sure? " I

told him I was. He came in with a needle, stuck it in my IV and I went to

sleep, for what I thought would be the last time. I woke up eleven days

later with him standing over me... he said, " So, Dodge, do you want to live

today? " I called him a real bad word and then said, " I'll think about it. "

I thought about it... Long and hard... They'd give me pain pills and every

day I'd count those pills and figure how many it would take to end it all.

I got tired... Tired of being called a " freak show " tired of living in

pain... Tired of not being able to do the things I love.

[Guest guest]

That was not me Clora, that was someone else!!

R

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From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...>

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:00 PM

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Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

and group;

OMG LAURA, That story was so good. I am sad for you going through

this. But very interesting. It sounds like something one would read

out of readers digest.

hugs Clora

[Guest guest]

and group

Awe laura, That is a wonderful job. Your a caregiver. You sound very

knowledgeable in medicine. Your very special . I was a

caregiver for a while. It is a fullfilling job. Yes one knows when

they are ready to go. I had a few go on me.

I was really broken when a few of them passed. I prayed with one

right before she passed. I was broken when any of them passed, but a

few I got close to cause I worked on the south end of the building.

God bless you .

gentle kind hugs

Clora

> I am not a nurse, I worked on an ambulance for 3 years until I

hurt my back.

> Was taking nursing courses at the time but they got me to change

my major to

> psychology. I am fully trained in emergency procedures though and

trained

> as a med tech (to be able to hand out medicines in assisted

living). I run

> a small assisted living and love it when I am not going nuts

trying to get

> everything done. My little hospice lady passed very peacefully

Friday after

> noon. She had shut down, it is hard to see them go but you know

when they

> are ready.

> R

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

and group;

Yes they are the sweetest. I got a kitten from my daughter about a

month ago. Some one left a litter of kittens in front of the gas

station. I took one of them. She found homes for all of them.

My new kitten is name Kloey, after my nic on pal talk. Kloey lays at

my feet when I am on the pc. She sleeps with me lol. She gives me so

much love.

gentle hugs

Clora

> And aren't they the sweetest??

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dorthey an group;

Ooops I put the wrong name on the last one sorry dorthy. Sometimes I

have a hard time to get the name right when I post. Sorry.

gentle hugs

Clora

> And aren't they the sweetest??

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:RA-

SUPPORT ] On

> Behalf Of R

> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 4:50 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

>

>

>

> All my animals are rescue animals. They seem to find me!

> R

>

> --------------------------------------------------

> From: " CLORA " <clora4jesus@ <mailto:clora4jesus%40>

>

> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:06 PM

> < @gro <mailto: %40>

ups.com>

> Subject: [ ] Re: OT bad week for us

>

>

>

> I am so sorry you lost your cat. That is so kind to adopt a cat or

> dog. I have more than my share of pets lol. All my pets are rescue

> pets.

>

> gentle hugs

> Clora

>

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>

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