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Can you share more info about this or tell us where it can be found online?

Where are you located?

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Re: [ ] Introduction

As far as natural remedies, I've been researching the role of diet and the

immune system on Rheumatoid Arthritis and have found that a lot of what we eat

can set off flares and inflammation. It can also help to control pain and

inflammation. I met a UK doctor online yesterday who's been suffering from RA

for many years. She told me she's treating it with diet only since she cannot

tolerate any of the meds. She says she's healthier now than she was before.

I've been following an Elimination Diet that I found on the internet the past

few days and I can tell you that when I cheat, my body lets me know immediately.

For example, yesterday I had oatmeal cooked with raisins and cinnamon for

breakfast. No sugar, no milk, no coffee for breakfast. For lunch and dinner I

steamed some brown rice with vegetables,onions, garlic and a little low-sodium

chicken boullion. I felt pretty good all day and evening. Then late last night I

gave in (I'm trying to quit smoking also) and had some chocolate frosted

brownies that I made from a box for the family the other day. Within five

minutes the pain in my legs and feet became excruciating again. I'm really

starting to believe that diet has a lot to do with it. Today I steamed some

brown rice again with some frozen stir-fry vegees, some Chinese five-spice

powder, some pears from the tree in the back yard, a handful of raisins. I added

some thawed and browned deer meat that my daughter got from hunting last year

with some garlic and onion and added it to the rice. Again, I felt pretty good

again today, even though I've been in major pain for the past couple weeks

straight. And no brownies tonight either!!!

The reason I'm throwing together such weird concoctions is because I can't

afford to go food shopping. Haven't been able to for a couple weeks now, so I

can assure you that I am not one of those people who can afford to buy organic

foods at the health store. I can't even afford to buy toilet paper right now.

Also, fish oil is great for RA, it calms my pain down within an hour whenever

I take it. Bromelain from pineapples is also good for pain and inflammation.

There are many more like ginger, and turmeric. Hope this helps.

.

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First read this: (it looks like it ends after the first page, but there are

actually a couple pages to it.)

http://www.thorne.com/media/Rheumatoid Arthritis.pdf

I have read TONS of other literature that says basically the same thing: diet

CAN play a LARGE role in Rheumatoid Arthritis. There is another Y!A group that I

belong to where a couple of the people claim they have put their RA into

complete remission just by using food and nutrition. I have read this elsewhere

on the net. (I spend my days researching this stuff since I got laid off from my

job last year.)

From what I understand, you can be intollerant of or allergic to a food or

foods, and it can cause your body to react to it. This reaction can cause your

immune system to react and set off a flare up of RA symptoms. It can also cause

something else called a " leaky gut syndrome " which can play major havoc on your

body in terms of causing and exasperating disease.

There are different types of diets you can use to try to find out which foods

you may be reacting to, another example is a Rotation Diet. There is also a diet

called the Few Foods Diet or a Rare Food Diet where you are only allowed two or

three foods, say, lamb and pears and maybe rice (which usually don't cause

problems), but I think that type of diet would be way too hard for me to stick

to. I think a Rotation Diet would take too long and would make it hard to figure

out exactly what you may be reacting to. This Elimination Diet I found (by

accident) looks like it covers most offending foods at once, however, I am going

to restrict it even more by eliminating a couple more things that I read may be

troublesome. These items contain " salicylates " and are found in such things as

Almonds, Apples, Apricots, Aspirin, Berries, Broccoli, Cherries, All Citrus,

Cloves, Coffee, Cucumbers, Currants, Eggplant, Grapes, Nectarines, Oil of

wintergreen, Oranges, Peaches, Peppers (bell & chilli), Pickles, Plums,

Potatoes, Prunes, Raisins, Rose hips, Tangelos, Tangerines, Tea, Tomatoes.

Remember, you don't have to cut these foods out permanently, only until you test

them one at a time.

Here's how an Elimination Diet works:

For 2 to 6 weeks, eliminate all suspect foods and focus diet on fresh fruits,

vegetables, yams, animal protein (fish, poultry, lamb), and nonglutenous grains

(rice, buckwheat). This part is important: It is best to eliminate any food or

beverage that is craved in excess or eaten often because such items frequently

cause various medical or emotional problems. Whatever you love the most is most

likely to affect you. (Unfortunately)

After 2 to 6 weeks of maintaining a strict elimination diet, there should be

relief from symptoms. Weight may also be lost. (That's a big PLUS for me

especially since you can eat as much as you want on this diet and I have over a

hundred pounds to lose!) Now begin the challenge. One at a time, start adding

foods back into your diet waiting a couple days in between each one. Look for

symptoms from that food. Here's a list of just some of the possible symptoms:

headache (brief or prolonged), nauseau, stomachache, sharp abdominal pain, sore

throat, stuffy nose, runny nose, itchy nose or eyes, skin rash or itching,

facial flushing, red ears, sleepiness, insomnia, fatugue, apathy, irritability,

depression , anxiety, excitability, aching or twitching muscles, there are

others such as a raise in heartbeat, innability to concentrate, etc.

I'm starting to notice these reactions when I eat now. It's amazing how I've

ignored all these symptoms all my life, but I'm starting to pay attention to

them now and I'm taking note.

These symptoms tell you that you are intollerant of that food and could be

causing reactions in your immune system by eating it.

Use a notebook to keep track of foods eaten and symptoms. Continue this process

until the problematic foods are determined. In most cases, reactions occur

within 48 hours. Rarely do symptoms appear several days or weeks later.

When you " challenge " a new food, try to eat quite a bit of it (don't gorge

yourself, of course) for a couple days to see if there are indeed any reactions

to it. If there are no reactions, move on to the next food to challenge.

There are many types of Elimination Diets out there, I found this one by

accident here:

http://www.functionalmedicine.org/content_management/files/ifm_Comp_Elim_Diet_09\

1503.pdf

It seems to be the most comprehensive. I also found an updated version of the

same diet here:

http://www.functionalmedicine.org/webinar/August7th/EliminationDiet.pdf

But it is not as strict as the first one so I am not using this second one.

Eventually, I want to get on what is called a Raw Foods diet. But I know it will

take some doing.

http://rawlivingfoods.typepad.com/1/arthritis/index.html

http://www.health101.org/art_studies.htm#2

http://www.spiritofhealing.com/articles/html/Rheumatoid Arthritis2.html

Hope this helps, and I hope to hear from anyone else who may be interested in

trying this.

PS: I live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio

Re: [ ] Introduction

As far as natural remedies, I've been researching the role of diet and the

immune system on Rheumatoid Arthritis and have found that a lot of what we eat

can set off flares and inflammation. It can also help to control pain and

inflammation. I met a UK doctor online yesterday who's been suffering from RA

for many years. She told me she's treating it with diet only since she cannot

tolerate any of the meds. She says she's healthier now than she was before.

I've been following an Elimination Diet that I found on the internet the past

few days and I can tell you that when I cheat, my body lets me know immediately.

For example, yesterday I had oatmeal cooked with raisins and cinnamon for

breakfast. No sugar, no milk, no coffee for breakfast. For lunch and dinner I

steamed some brown rice with vegetables,onions, garlic and a little low-sodium

chicken boullion. I felt pretty good all day and evening. Then late last night I

gave in (I'm trying to quit smoking also) and had some chocolate frosted

brownies that I made from a box for the family the other day. Within five

minutes the pain in my legs and feet became excruciating again. I'm really

starting to believe that diet has a lot to do with it. Today I steamed some

brown rice again with some frozen stir-fry vegees, some Chinese five-spice

powder, some pears from the tree in the back yard, a handful of raisins. I added

some thawed and browned deer meat that my daughter got from hunting last year

with some garlic and onion and added it to the rice. Again, I felt pretty good

again today, even though I've been in major pain for the past couple weeks

straight. And no brownies tonight either!!!

The reason I'm throwing together such weird concoctions is because I can't

afford to go food shopping. Haven't been able to for a couple weeks now, so I

can assure you that I am not one of those people who can afford to buy organic

foods at the health store. I can't even afford to buy toilet paper right now.

Also, fish oil is great for RA, it calms my pain down within an hour whenever

I take it. Bromelain from pineapples is also good for pain and inflammation.

There are many more like ginger, and turmeric. Hope this helps.

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In a message dated 9/10/2008 5:09:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pamhunt

56@... writes:

>Does anyone have shortness of breath that isn't caused by heart problems. I

think some meds can cause shortness of breath, but I'm not sure which ones.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me>

I called it that, but it was really my heart beating too fast. I was sent to

an endocrinologist who tested me and said that I have thyroiditis, but it

seems like a big coincidence that it started when I started Prednisone. She put

me on something to slow down my heart and it feels much better. Plus I am

down to 5 mg a day of Pred.

dd

**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,

plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.

(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Hi everyone,

I don't post very much but I have learned so much from reading the posts

everyday.

 

How much fish oil are you supposed to take each day? The bottle I have is 1000

mg in each softgel.

 

Does anyone have shortness of breath that isn't caused by heart problems. I

think some meds can cause shortness of breath, but I'm not sure which ones.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me

 

Pam.

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THANK-YOU, gonetoday. it sounds interesting. i've heard about certain foods

affecting people with ra. about the diet it sounds TEMPTING but costly..

i know i've heard about tomatoes,potatoes,citrus food or drinks, being HARMFUL.

one that i heard was GOOD is any type of nuts & ALMONDS is one of them!! i READ

it in RA TODAY...... i might try it but i really don't eat 20 of the items

listed....... good luck in your ongoing endeavors & more pain free days.

god bless,melyndagamez 9/10/08 9:25p.m.ct

Re: [ ] Introduction

  As far as natural remedies, I've been researching the role of diet and the

immune system on Rheumatoid Arthritis and have found that a lot of what we eat

can set off flares and inflammation. It can also help to control pain and

inflammation. I met a UK doctor online yesterday who's been suffering from RA

for many years. She told me she's treating it with diet only since she cannot

tolerate any of the meds. She says she's healthier now than she was before.

  I've been following an Elimination Diet that I found on the internet the past

few days and I can tell you that when I cheat, my body lets me know immediately.

For example, yesterday I had oatmeal cooked with raisins and cinnamon for

breakfast. No sugar, no milk, no coffee for breakfast. For lunch and dinner I

steamed some brown rice with vegetables,onions, garlic and a little low-sodium

chicken boullion. I felt pretty good all day and evening. Then late last night I

gave in (I'm trying to quit smoking also) and had some chocolate frosted

brownies that I made from a box for the family the other day. Within five

minutes the pain in my legs and feet became excruciating again. I'm really

starting to believe that diet has a lot to do with it. Today I steamed some

brown rice again with some frozen stir-fry vegees, some Chinese five-spice

powder, some pears from the tree in the back yard, a handful of raisins. I added

some thawed and browned deer meat that

my daughter got from hunting last year with some garlic and onion and added it

to the rice. Again, I felt pretty good again today, even though I've been in

major pain for the past couple weeks straight. And no brownies tonight either!!!

  The reason I'm throwing together such weird concoctions is because I can't

afford to go food shopping. Haven't been able to for a couple weeks now, so I

can assure you that I am not one of those people who can afford to buy organic

foods at the health store. I can't even afford to buy toilet paper right now.

  Also, fish oil is great for RA, it calms my pain down within an hour whenever

I take it. Bromelain from pineapples is also good for pain and inflammation.

There are many more like ginger, and turmeric. Hope this helps.

  .

 

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I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and they

did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong with my

heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is great. But I

still don't know what is causing the problem. They said the next step

would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my lungs checked out. Which

will have to wait until I can't afford to go right now since we are

already on short time at work. I just thought maybe some of the group

members might be having the same problem. I can just be sitting at the

computer or watching TV, nothing strenuous, and I will feel like I can't

breathe. It's a scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex, Plaquenil,

Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a combination of

my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I just wish I knew

what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

Pam

>

> In a message dated 9/10/2008 5:09:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

pamhunt

> 56@... writes:

>

> >Does anyone have shortness of breath that isn't caused by heart

problems. I

> think some meds can cause shortness of breath, but I'm not sure which

ones.

> Thanks in advance for any help you can give me>

>

> I called it that, but it was really my heart beating too fast. I was

sent to

> an endocrinologist who tested me and said that I have thyroiditis,

but it

> seems like a big coincidence that it started when I started

Prednisone. She put

> me on something to slow down my heart and it feels much better. Plus I

am

> down to 5 mg a day of Pred.

>

> dd

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion

blog,

> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.

> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

>

>

>

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Pam,

Sorry you are having problems. I sure hope you get the go ahead with

the pulmonary doctor soon.

Shirley

>

> I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

they

> did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong with

my

> heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is great. But I

> still don't know what is causing the problem. They said the next

step

> would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my lungs checked out.

Which

> will have to wait until I can't afford to go right now since we are

> already on short time at work. I just thought maybe some of the

group

> members might be having the same problem. I can just be sitting at

the

> computer or watching TV, nothing strenuous, and I will feel like I

can't

> breathe. It's a scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex,

Plaquenil,

> Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

combination of

> my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I just wish I

knew

> what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

>

> Pam

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Hi Pam,

I do have shortness of breath sometimes. I started having problems

two years ago. I had a dry cough, and I would have problems

breathing. When I went to the doc the first time, I was diagnosed

with pneumonia. They put me on two inhalers, and antibiotics.

A year later, I started having shortness of breath, which my rheumy

told me I need to visit a pulmonary doctor, but like you, I just

can't afford it. I still have shortness of breath at times, not all

the time. It is scary, especially when your on all the meds were on.

Keep us posted, hope you can get yourself checked out soon, Tawny

>

> I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

they

> did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong with my

> heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is great. But I

> still don't know what is causing the problem. They said the next

step

> would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my lungs checked out.

Which

> will have to wait until I can't afford to go right now since we are

> already on short time at work. I just thought maybe some of the

group

> members might be having the same problem. I can just be sitting at

the

> computer or watching TV, nothing strenuous, and I will feel like I

can't

> breathe. It's a scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex,

Plaquenil,

> Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

combination of

> my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I just wish I knew

> what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

>

> Pam

>

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Hi Pam - I hope you are able to get to the bottom of your shortness of

breath. I know how frustrating it can be as I have the same. I had

the stress test and even a heart catheterization and a PFT with the

pulmonologist. Aside from some " mild pulmonary hypertension " ,

everything else was normal. I know my weight doesn't help matters

any. I have found that since I quit smoking over 2 years ago, I have

to remember to take deep breaths - apparently something I was only

doing while smoking.

As far as drug interactions, I found this site -

http://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php . You can type in

prescription and OTC medications and it will tell you if there is any

type of interaction to be aware of.

Above all, PLEASE mention all of this to your doctors as they are the

ones who can truly advise you properly. And if you are already on

short time at work, if you have insurance, perhaps you could use your

off times to see the pulmonologist?...........Doreen :)

>

> I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

> they did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong

> with my heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is

> great. But I still don't know what is causing the problem. They

> said the next step would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my

> lungs checked out. Which will have to wait until I can't afford to

> go right now since we are already on short time at work. I just

> thought maybe some of the group members might be having the same

> problem. I can just be sitting at the computer or watching TV,

> nothing strenuous, and I will feel like I can't breathe. It's a

> scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex, Plaquenil,

> Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

> combination of my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I

> just wish I knew what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

>

> Pam

>

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Thanks Shirley. I hope I will be able to see the Pulmonary doctor

soon too. I have it almost everyday now. What can I do to help me

breathe easier? I've been taking deep breaths when it happens. Or

take my Lasix if I haven't already taken it. It doesn't always help

though. My supervisor knows I'm having this problem and he told me

Monday morning when I got off work that they were putting faster

running yarn on some of the spinning frames and we might get to work

all week. I hope so.

Pam

> >

> > I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

> they

> > did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong with

> my

> > heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is great. But

I

> > still don't know what is causing the problem. They said the next

> step

> > would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my lungs checked

out.

> Which

> > will have to wait until I can't afford to go right now since we

are

> > already on short time at work. I just thought maybe some of the

> group

> > members might be having the same problem. I can just be sitting

at

> the

> > computer or watching TV, nothing strenuous, and I will feel like

I

> can't

> > breathe. It's a scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex,

> Plaquenil,

> > Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> > Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

> combination of

> > my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I just wish I

> knew

> > what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

> >

> > Pam

>

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Tawny,

I know what you mean about all the meds we have to take. That's scary

too. I will let you know when I find out what the problem is. Working

in a cotton mill probably doesn't help my breathing much either.

Pam

> >

> > I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

> they

> > did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong with

my

> > heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is great. But

I

> > still don't know what is causing the problem. They said the next

> step

> > would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have my lungs checked

out.

> Which

> > will have to wait until I can't afford to go right now since we

are

> > already on short time at work. I just thought maybe some of the

> group

> > members might be having the same problem. I can just be sitting

at

> the

> > computer or watching TV, nothing strenuous, and I will feel like

I

> can't

> > breathe. It's a scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex,

> Plaquenil,

> > Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> > Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

> combination of

> > my meds could be causing the shortness of breath. I just wish I

knew

> > what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

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Hi Doreen,

Thanks for the site address. I already looked at it and it has a lot

of information on it. I'm going to put my list of meds in to see if

it comes up with any drug interactions. I used to be a light smoker

but I never really had a habit, luckily. After seeing what my Mother

had to go through when she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, having

to have radiation and chemo treatments, I haven't smoked a cigarette

since.

I have insurance, but with me being on short time I barely have

enough to pay the bills and buy my meds. To see a specialist the co-

pay is $40.00. I already have to pay that every month when I go to

the pain clinic because my Reumy sent me there so he wouldn't have to

prescribe pain meds. So it will just have to wait. I get really

scared when it happens because I feel like I'm not getting enough air.

Pam

> >

> > I went to a cardiology doctor about the shortness of breath, and

> > they did a treadmill stress test. They didn't find anything wrong

> > with my heart, except my heart rate is low sometimes. which is

> > great. But I still don't know what is causing the problem. They

> > said the next step would be to go to a pulmonary doctor to have

my

> > lungs checked out. Which will have to wait until I can't afford

to

> > go right now since we are already on short time at work. I just

> > thought maybe some of the group members might be having the same

> > problem. I can just be sitting at the computer or watching TV,

> > nothing strenuous, and I will feel like I can't breathe. It's a

> > scary feeling. The meds I'm on are Celebrex, Plaquenil,

> > Methotrexate, Folic Acid, Percocet, Fentanyl pain patch, Lasix,

> > Prevacid,Iron and Glucosamine. Maybe one of my meds or a

> > combination of my meds could be causing the shortness of breath.

I

> > just wish I knew what was causing it. Thanks a lot.

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

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Pam,

No, I'm sure that type of job, doesn't help your lungs. Keep me

posted, I'll keep you in my prayers, Tawny

>

> Tawny,

> I know what you mean about all the meds we have to take. That's

scary

> too. I will let you know when I find out what the problem is.

Working

> in a cotton mill probably doesn't help my breathing much either.

>

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