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I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy

today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her.

I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it

and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2

months.

When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the

fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually

went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and

there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the

swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too

varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue.

I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I

mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself).

My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between

each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine

originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38)

The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is

ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel

like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She

doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my

RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently

intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless

she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild.

Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to

me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think

she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's

nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation,

even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I

needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel

like this.

Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for

myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the

dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!!

*smiling through the sighs*

Kim

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Kim,

Do you have any damage already? Unfortunately, damage can occur even

if a patient seems to be in remission.

These days, I think rheumatologists should be aiming for " no evidence

of disease " (NED), and you're not there yet.

I would seek a second opinion.

Not an MD

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM, just call me Sheba

<queen_o_sheba@...> wrote:

> I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy

> today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her.

>

> I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it

> and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2

> months.

>

> When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the

> fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually

> went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and

> there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the

> swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too

> varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue.

> I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I

> mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself).

>

> My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between

> each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine

> originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38)

>

> The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is

> ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel

> like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She

> doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my

> RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently

> intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless

> she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild.

>

> Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to

> me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think

> she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's

> nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation,

> even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I

> needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel

> like this.

>

> Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for

> myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the

> dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!!

>

> *smiling through the sighs*

> Kim

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I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

crazy

I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO.

> > I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy

> > today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with

her.

> >

> > I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it

> > and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2

> > months.

> >

> > When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the

> > fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually

> > went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and

> > there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the

> > swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too

> > varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue.

> > I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I

> > mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself).

> >

> > My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between

> > each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine

> > originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38)

> >

> > The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is

> > ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel

> > like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She

> > doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my

> > RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently

> > intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless

> > she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's

so mild.

> >

> > Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to

> > me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think

> > she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's

> > nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation,

> > even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I

> > needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel

> > like this.

> >

> > Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for

> > myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the

> > dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!!

> >

> > *smiling through the sighs*

> > Kim

>

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hi, i would put on my boxing gloves! sometimes drs. just think they know what's

BEST, but they don't. we r people & we have feelings! x-rays would totally HELP!

best wishes! god bless,melyndagamez 6/23/08 9:39p.m.central

[ ] Re: rheumy visit

I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

crazy

I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO.

> > I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy

> > today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with

her.

> >

> > I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it

> > and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2

> > months.

> >

> > When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the

> > fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually

> > went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and

> > there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the

> > swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too

> > varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue.

> > I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I

> > mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself).

> >

> > My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between

> > each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine

> > originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38)

> >

> > The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is

> > ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel

> > like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She

> > doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my

> > RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently

> > intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless

> > she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's

so mild.

> >

> > Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to

> > me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think

> > she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's

> > nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation,

> > even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I

> > needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel

> > like this.

> >

> > Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for

> > myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the

> > dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!!

> >

> > *smiling through the sighs*

> > Kim

>

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That's ridiculous. I hope at least someone did baseline imaging

(either x-rays or MRIs) when you were first diagnosed.

Good luck with your HMO. You are worth fighting for.

Not an MD

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM, just call me Sheba

<queen_o_sheba@...> wrote:

> I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

> by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

> misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

> I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

> crazy

>

> I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO.

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I'm having that same problem.  I have a toe that was perfectly straight and is

now misshappen and crooked.  I'm having a lot of foot pain and ankle pain.  My

doctor felt under my feet at my visit and didn't even LOOK at the toe I just

told her about and the feet were bare so she could have seen it! I'm going to

have my family doctor order xrays of the feet and hands, and most likely see a

podiatrist to see if he orders any further testing.

> I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

> by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

> misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

> I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

> crazy

>

> I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO.

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Kim,

I have seronegative RA. IT does not show i my blood work but is present on

an MRI. HMO's are really getting harder and harder to deal with , the best

thing is if the Dr calls then but, from what you have said it does not seem

like she is gonna do that. You need to continue fighting, the insurance

companies love the fight because so many give up, saves the ins tons of

money. So hang in and fight for your rights.

Heidi M

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Rheumatoid.Arthritis.Support@...> wrote:

> That's ridiculous. I hope at least someone did baseline imaging

> (either x-rays or MRIs) when you were first diagnosed.

>

> Good luck with your HMO. You are worth fighting for.

>

>

> Not an MD

>

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM, just call me Sheba

> <queen_o_sheba@... <queen_o_sheba%40>> wrote:

> > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

> > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

> > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

> > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

> > crazy

> >

> > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO.

>

>

>

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Yes, I did get baselines ..sort of...hmm... actually my primary

ordered SOME baselines. These rheumies (interesting spelling for a

non-word, eh?) have never ordered xrays at all. I had actually

forgotten that! And the original xrays were only of a few areas, not

my feet or ankles for instance. Hmmm... something for me to ruminate on.

> > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

> > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

> > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

> > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

> > crazy

> >

> > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with

my HMO.

>

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I hope those baselines are able to help! My primary is the one who had xrays of

my knees done since the rheumatologist could never see any effusions or fluid on

my knee most of my visits there.  They took xrays during an inflammation and

warmth/redness spell..eventually she got to see this in p erson, but it took a

good year before it would stay that way for my visit!

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Subject: [ ] Re: rheumy visit

Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:08 PM

Yes, I did get baselines ..sort of...hmm... actually my primary

ordered SOME baselines. These rheumies (interesting spelling for a

non-word, eh?) have never ordered xrays at all. I had actually

forgotten that! And the original xrays were only of a few areas, not

my feet or ankles for instance. Hmmm... something for me to ruminate on.

> > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just

> > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are

> > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says

> > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays?

> > crazy

> >

> > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with

my HMO.

>

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The more I read here, the more I'm just amazed at the number of

rheumatologists who don't seem to recognize the transient nature of RA

symptoms. It's as if they don't even know that the symptoms come and

go with a lot of patients. If they don't see it for themselves on a

regularly scheduled visit, it's like it doesn't happen.

What's up with that??

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joint just

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> > > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because

she says

> > > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the

xrays?

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Hi Betty,

Thanks for answering. I think I'm starting to feel better about taking it. Is

it helping you and how long did it take before you noticed it working?

Amy

>

> hi Amy,

> been taking plaquinil for over a year , no side effects. i do have

> cataracts in both eyes, but i had that before i started the plaquinil.

> i'm waiting until after the first of the year to have the surgery

> done to remove them, i just dread it.....

>

> betty

>

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