Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her. I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2 months. When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue. I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself). My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38) The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild. Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation, even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel like this. Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!! *smiling through the sighs* Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Kim, Do you have any damage already? Unfortunately, damage can occur even if a patient seems to be in remission. These days, I think rheumatologists should be aiming for " no evidence of disease " (NED), and you're not there yet. I would seek a second opinion. Not an MD On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM, just call me Sheba <queen_o_sheba@...> wrote: > I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy > today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her. > > I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it > and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2 > months. > > When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the > fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually > went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and > there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the > swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too > varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue. > I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I > mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself). > > My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between > each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine > originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38) > > The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is > ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel > like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She > doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my > RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently > intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless > she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild. > > Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to > me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think > she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's > nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation, > even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I > needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel > like this. > > Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for > myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the > dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!! > > *smiling through the sighs* > Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? crazy I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. > > I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy > > today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her. > > > > I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it > > and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2 > > months. > > > > When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the > > fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually > > went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and > > there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the > > swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too > > varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue. > > I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I > > mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself). > > > > My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between > > each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine > > originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38) > > > > The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is > > ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel > > like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She > > doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my > > RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently > > intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless > > she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild. > > > > Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to > > me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think > > she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's > > nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation, > > even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I > > needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel > > like this. > > > > Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for > > myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the > > dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!! > > > > *smiling through the sighs* > > Kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 hi, i would put on my boxing gloves! sometimes drs. just think they know what's BEST, but they don't. we r people & we have feelings! x-rays would totally HELP! best wishes! god bless,melyndagamez 6/23/08 9:39p.m.central [ ] Re: rheumy visit I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? crazy I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. > > I had an interesting, if brief (10 minutes), visit with my rheumy > > today. This is my third dr at this office and my second visit with her. > > > > I was dx'd last November. Was on MTX for about 3.5 months, went off it > > and went on sulfasalzine for 3 weeks, off it, and now on Arava for 2 > > months. > > > > When I originally presented I had very noticeable swelling of the > > fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, feet, toes. That gradually > > went away. I now have swelling periodically for a few days here and > > there. Not on my two visits to this dr although I have mentioned the > > swelling. The pain level is overall better than when dx'd but it too > > varies from day-to-day. I have regular stiffness and intense fatigue. > > I have limited motion in one finger now, and a regular limp. I > > mentioned these all to the dr (if she can't see them herself). > > > > My SED rate has been steadily increasing by about two points between > > each lab workup since going off the MTX. (normal range 0-20 / mine > > originally was 48, then 28, now up to 38) > > > > The dr told me today that we would wait longer on the Arava (which is > > ok with me since I'm not having side-effects, even if it doesn't feel > > like it's doing much yet), since it appears that I have " mild " RA. She > > doesn't want to rush in to anything (ie. biologics). She says that my > > RA is atypical since I don't have the swelling anymore (apparently > > intermittent swelling doesn't count, or she doesn't believe it unless > > she sees it), but that it probably won't cause damage since it's so mild. > > > > Am I being a hypochondriac? Does it seem that she isn't listening to > > me? When I presented I was pretty much incapacitated. What I think > > she's saying to me, basically, is that unless it IS at that point it's > > nothing to worry about. But my SED is what shows the inflammation, > > even if there's no swelling right? And if it's so mild then why have I > > needed to use up all of my sick and vacation time and why do I feel > > like this. > > > > Argh...maybe this is just a rant. I'm really not one to feel sorry for > > myself or blow things out of proportion but I'm beginning to think the > > dr's at this clinic are all whack!!!! > > > > *smiling through the sighs* > > Kim > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 That's ridiculous. I hope at least someone did baseline imaging (either x-rays or MRIs) when you were first diagnosed. Good luck with your HMO. You are worth fighting for. Not an MD On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM, just call me Sheba <queen_o_sheba@...> wrote: > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > crazy > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I'm having that same problem. I have a toe that was perfectly straight and is now misshappen and crooked. I'm having a lot of foot pain and ankle pain. My doctor felt under my feet at my visit and didn't even LOOK at the toe I just told her about and the feet were bare so she could have seen it! I'm going to have my family doctor order xrays of the feet and hands, and most likely see a podiatrist to see if he orders any further testing. > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > crazy > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Kim, I have seronegative RA. IT does not show i my blood work but is present on an MRI. HMO's are really getting harder and harder to deal with , the best thing is if the Dr calls then but, from what you have said it does not seem like she is gonna do that. You need to continue fighting, the insurance companies love the fight because so many give up, saves the ins tons of money. So hang in and fight for your rights. Heidi M On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:25 AM, < Rheumatoid.Arthritis.Support@...> wrote: > That's ridiculous. I hope at least someone did baseline imaging > (either x-rays or MRIs) when you were first diagnosed. > > Good luck with your HMO. You are worth fighting for. > > > Not an MD > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM, just call me Sheba > <queen_o_sheba@... <queen_o_sheba%40>> wrote: > > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > > crazy > > > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Yes, I did get baselines ..sort of...hmm... actually my primary ordered SOME baselines. These rheumies (interesting spelling for a non-word, eh?) have never ordered xrays at all. I had actually forgotten that! And the original xrays were only of a few areas, not my feet or ankles for instance. Hmmm... something for me to ruminate on. > > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > > crazy > > > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I hope those baselines are able to help! My primary is the one who had xrays of my knees done since the rheumatologist could never see any effusions or fluid on my knee most of my visits there. They took xrays during an inflammation and warmth/redness spell..eventually she got to see this in p erson, but it took a good year before it would stay that way for my visit! From: just call me Sheba <queen_o_sheba@...> Subject: [ ] Re: rheumy visit Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:08 PM Yes, I did get baselines ..sort of...hmm... actually my primary ordered SOME baselines. These rheumies (interesting spelling for a non-word, eh?) have never ordered xrays at all. I had actually forgotten that! And the original xrays were only of a few areas, not my feet or ankles for instance. Hmmm... something for me to ruminate on. > > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > > crazy > > > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with my HMO. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 The more I read here, the more I'm just amazed at the number of rheumatologists who don't seem to recognize the transient nature of RA symptoms. It's as if they don't even know that the symptoms come and go with a lot of patients. If they don't see it for themselves on a regularly scheduled visit, it's like it doesn't happen. What's up with that?? > > > I believe I may have damage in one finger joint and one toe joint just > > > by evidence of restricted range of motion (and I can see they are > > > misshapen). Unfortunately my dr won't authorize xrays because she says > > > I don't have damage yet. I know...how can she tell without the xrays? > > > crazy > > > > > > I have to put on my boxing gloves I guess and start sparring with > my HMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hi Betty, Thanks for answering. I think I'm starting to feel better about taking it. Is it helping you and how long did it take before you noticed it working? Amy > > hi Amy, > been taking plaquinil for over a year , no side effects. i do have > cataracts in both eyes, but i had that before i started the plaquinil. > i'm waiting until after the first of the year to have the surgery > done to remove them, i just dread it..... > > betty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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