RE: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

[Guest guest]

Just took the test and I would agree with many of your points. The question

about the cheese sandwich was odd and I didn't want to make a selection.

Sally Orloff, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

Chicago, IL

_____

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Dineright4@...

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

Hi Mike,

I hate to tell you this! I don't see that this test measures nutrition

knowledge.

I had a lot of difficulty with the survey since my answer would have been

" none of the above " - such as how many servings of fruits and vegetables a

day. Most " health professionals " would recommend 9 or more. Thus, your

survey didn't give that option, and I don't think most RDs would consider

just

5-6 servings a day adequate (2 fruits, 3 veggies? 3 fruits, 2 veggies?

That's not enough!) ;-)

Maybe instead of " I don't know " one answer could have been " other " or

" none of the above. "

Most of these questions have more than one " best " answer - it truly would

depend on the client history!

For example, the bread/sandwich questions - it would entirely depend on the

" kind " of bread and if the cheese was organic or processed. (Most bread

sold as " wholegrain " is truly just junk food that I would NOT recommend.)

Lowest fat grilled food? Does the pork chop have the fat still on it

(like my father used to love his pork chops) and is the ground turkey that

cheap

stuff with all the turkey skin in it, or is it ground turkey breast? Too

many unknowns. (And, maybe the steak is my favorite steak, bison or

organic/wild elk steak.) ;-)

So, you see, because so much can be read into each question, I guarantee

even RDs won't answer the same!

In a message dated 6/15/2012 7:48:58 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes:

_Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs _

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TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEwMDM1N

TQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTIwOQRtc2dJZAMyODU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZ

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_parent.mike _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/parent.mike)

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT)

Dear members,

I'm a PhD student in psychology, and I am conducting a study on scope of

practice in psychology as it pertains to health. This study has important

implications for understanding how psychologists refer clients to dietitians

and personal trainers, and as part of the study I would like dietitians to

give me a " baseline " for our measure of basic knowledge of diet.

Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working with

conditions such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training

involves NO

training in those kinds of health conditions as part of core curriculum, and

NO training in dietary science. Thus, there is a big danger of

psychologists practicing outside their scope of competency (and within a

dietitian's

scope of practice) in addressing these concerns. There has, as yet, been no

research on how often psychologists refer clients with

eating/dietary/Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working

with conditions

such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training inv

As part of this survey, psychologists will complete a short questionnaire

on nutrition/diet knowledge and referral practice. I would like to compare

their scores to experts in this area. The survey is online and would be

short for dietitians (5-10 minutes; a few demographics questions and the

knowledge questionnaire)A

We expect to find that psychologists are not knowledgable about diet and

nutrition, and don't refer to dietitians as much as they should. If this is

the case, we intend to advocate for improved training in referrals to RDs

and inclusion of RDs in treatment planning, or complete dietitian training

to be completed by psychologists who intend to engage in clinical work with

populations with conditions like obesity and diabetes and directly

intervene in these areas.

If you are interested in participating, the survey can be found at:

_https://UFL.https://UFhttps://UFL.https://UFL.<WBRht_

(https://ufl.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2mX5IUQN9ABbmmg)

*Dietitians may find the nutrition knowledge questionnaire quite simple,

as this measure was developed to be administered to laypersons as well as

dietary science professionals (Parmenter K and Wardle J. Development of a

general nutrition knowledge questionnaire for adults. European Journal of

Clinical Nutrition. 53, 1999, 298-308). Please respond to the items with

what

you think is the best response for a completely average person.

Thank you,

Mike C. Parent

University of Florida

_http://www.psych.http://wwhttp://_ (http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~parent/)

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corp.

Telecommuting Nationwide

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@... <mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com>

Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) and specialist in inflammation caused by

non-IgE food sensitivity - which causes IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia,

arthritis and more. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training

Course

-inexpensive CPE for the RD and learn how to use the Mediator Release Test

(MRT)

and implement the LEAP Diet Protocol.

Your email is important to me. If you send me an important email, and I

don't respond in 2 business days, PLEASE give me a call. Some weeks, I get

buried in email and I do not mean to ignore your email.

[Guest guest]

Just took the test and I would agree with many of your points. The question

about the cheese sandwich was odd and I didn't want to make a selection.

Sally Orloff, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

Chicago, IL

_____

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Dineright4@...

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

Hi Mike,

I hate to tell you this! I don't see that this test measures nutrition

knowledge.

I had a lot of difficulty with the survey since my answer would have been

" none of the above " - such as how many servings of fruits and vegetables a

day. Most " health professionals " would recommend 9 or more. Thus, your

survey didn't give that option, and I don't think most RDs would consider

just

5-6 servings a day adequate (2 fruits, 3 veggies? 3 fruits, 2 veggies?

That's not enough!) ;-)

Maybe instead of " I don't know " one answer could have been " other " or

" none of the above. "

Most of these questions have more than one " best " answer - it truly would

depend on the client history!

For example, the bread/sandwich questions - it would entirely depend on the

" kind " of bread and if the cheese was organic or processed. (Most bread

sold as " wholegrain " is truly just junk food that I would NOT recommend.)

Lowest fat grilled food? Does the pork chop have the fat still on it

(like my father used to love his pork chops) and is the ground turkey that

cheap

stuff with all the turkey skin in it, or is it ground turkey breast? Too

many unknowns. (And, maybe the steak is my favorite steak, bison or

organic/wild elk steak.) ;-)

So, you see, because so much can be read into each question, I guarantee

even RDs won't answer the same!

In a message dated 6/15/2012 7:48:58 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes:

_Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs _

(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rd-usa/message/28555;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYWhlYjZsBF9

TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEwMDM1N

TQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTIwOQRtc2dJZAMyODU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZ

QMxMzM5NzY4MTMz)

Posted by: " Mike Parent " _parent.mike@...

<mailto:_parent.mike%40yahoo.com> _

(mailto:parent.mike@... <mailto:parent.mike%40yahoo.com> ?Subject=

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_parent.mike _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/parent.mike)

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT)

Dear members,

I'm a PhD student in psychology, and I am conducting a study on scope of

practice in psychology as it pertains to health. This study has important

implications for understanding how psychologists refer clients to dietitians

and personal trainers, and as part of the study I would like dietitians to

give me a " baseline " for our measure of basic knowledge of diet.

Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working with

conditions such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training

involves NO

training in those kinds of health conditions as part of core curriculum, and

NO training in dietary science. Thus, there is a big danger of

psychologists practicing outside their scope of competency (and within a

dietitian's

scope of practice) in addressing these concerns. There has, as yet, been no

research on how often psychologists refer clients with

eating/dietary/Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working

with conditions

such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training inv

As part of this survey, psychologists will complete a short questionnaire

on nutrition/diet knowledge and referral practice. I would like to compare

their scores to experts in this area. The survey is online and would be

short for dietitians (5-10 minutes; a few demographics questions and the

knowledge questionnaire)A

We expect to find that psychologists are not knowledgable about diet and

nutrition, and don't refer to dietitians as much as they should. If this is

the case, we intend to advocate for improved training in referrals to RDs

and inclusion of RDs in treatment planning, or complete dietitian training

to be completed by psychologists who intend to engage in clinical work with

populations with conditions like obesity and diabetes and directly

intervene in these areas.

If you are interested in participating, the survey can be found at:

_https://UFL.https://UFhttps://UFL.https://UFL.<WBRht_

(https://ufl.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2mX5IUQN9ABbmmg)

*Dietitians may find the nutrition knowledge questionnaire quite simple,

as this measure was developed to be administered to laypersons as well as

dietary science professionals (Parmenter K and Wardle J. Development of a

general nutrition knowledge questionnaire for adults. European Journal of

Clinical Nutrition. 53, 1999, 298-308). Please respond to the items with

what

you think is the best response for a completely average person.

Thank you,

Mike C. Parent

University of Florida

_http://www.psych.http://wwhttp://_ (http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~parent/)

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corp.

Telecommuting Nationwide

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@... <mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com>

Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) and specialist in inflammation caused by

non-IgE food sensitivity - which causes IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia,

arthritis and more. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training

Course

-inexpensive CPE for the RD and learn how to use the Mediator Release Test

(MRT)

and implement the LEAP Diet Protocol.

Your email is important to me. If you send me an important email, and I

don't respond in 2 business days, PLEASE give me a call. Some weeks, I get

buried in email and I do not mean to ignore your email.

[Guest guest]

While I agree wholeheartedly with Jan and Sally, this reaction from dietitians

(including myself) points to why we are the best medical practitioner to counsel

patients on food choices.....I would like to hear if other medical professionals

taking the survey have the same pointed questions to the obviously inadequate

choices presented in the survey......

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:52:20 -0500

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Sally Orloff "

)

>Subject: RE: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

>To: <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> Just took the test and I would agree with many of

> your points. The question

> about the cheese sandwich was odd and I didn't want

> to make a selection.

>

> Sally Orloff, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

> Chicago, IL

>

> _____

>

> From: rd-usa

> [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Dineright4@...

> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Study on scope of

> practice/referral to RDs

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> I hate to tell you this! I don't see that this test

> measures nutrition

> knowledge.

>

> I had a lot of difficulty with the survey since my

> answer would have been

> " none of the above " - such as how many servings of

> fruits and vegetables a

> day. Most " health professionals " would recommend 9

> or more. Thus, your

> survey didn't give that option, and I don't think

> most RDs would consider

> just

> 5-6 servings a day adequate (2 fruits, 3 veggies? 3

> fruits, 2 veggies?

> That's not enough!) ;-)

>

> Maybe instead of " I don't know " one answer could

> have been " other " or

> " none of the above. "

>

> Most of these questions have more than one " best "

> answer - it truly would

> depend on the client history!

>

> For example, the bread/sandwich questions - it would

> entirely depend on the

> " kind " of bread and if the cheese was organic or

> processed. (Most bread

> sold as " wholegrain " is truly just junk food that I

> would NOT recommend.)

>

> Lowest fat grilled food? Does the pork chop have the

> fat still on it

> (like my father used to love his pork chops) and is

> the ground turkey that

> cheap

> stuff with all the turkey skin in it, or is it

> ground turkey breast? Too

> many unknowns. (And, maybe the steak is my favorite

> steak, bison or

> organic/wild elk steak.) ;-)

>

> So, you see, because so much can be read into each

> question, I guarantee

> even RDs won't answer the same!

>

> In a message dated 6/15/2012 7:48:58 A.M. Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> rd-usa

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes:

>

> _Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs _

> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rd-usa/message/28555;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYWhlYjZsBF9

> TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEwMDM1N

> TQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTIwOQRtc2dJZAMyODU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZ

> QMxMzM5NzY4MTMz)

> Posted by: " Mike Parent " _parent.mike@...

> <mailto:_parent.mike%40yahoo.com> _

> (mailto:parent.mike@...

> <mailto:parent.mike%40yahoo.com> ?Subject=

> Re:%20Study%20on%20scope%20of%20practice/referral%20to%20RDs)

> _parent.mike _

> (http://profiles.yahoo.com/parent.mike)

> Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT)

>

> Dear members,

>

> I'm a PhD student in psychology, and I am conducting

> a study on scope of

> practice in psychology as it pertains to health.

> This study has important

> implications for understanding how psychologists

> refer clients to dietitians

>

> and personal trainers, and as part of the study I

> would like dietitians to

> give me a " baseline " for our measure of basic

> knowledge of diet.

>

> Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on

> working with

> conditions such as diabetes and obesity. But,

> psychology PhD training

> involves NO

> training in those kinds of health conditions as part

> of core curriculum, and

>

> NO training in dietary science. Thus, there is a big

> danger of

> psychologists practicing outside their scope of

> competency (and within a

> dietitian's

> scope of practice) in addressing these concerns.

> There has, as yet, been no

> research on how often psychologists refer clients

> with

> eating/dietary/Currently in psychology, there's been

> an emphasis on working

> with conditions

> such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD

> training inv

>

> As part of this survey, psychologists will complete

> a short questionnaire

> on nutrition/diet knowledge and referral practice. I

> would like to compare

> their scores to experts in this area. The survey is

> online and would be

> short for dietitians (5-10 minutes; a few

> demographics questions and the

> knowledge questionnaire)A

>

> We expect to find that psychologists are not

> knowledgable about diet and

> nutrition, and don't refer to dietitians as much as

> they should. If this is

> the case, we intend to advocate for improved

> training in referrals to RDs

> and inclusion of RDs in treatment planning, or

> complete dietitian training

> to be completed by psychologists who intend to

> engage in clinical work with

> populations with conditions like obesity and

> diabetes and directly

> intervene in these areas.

>

> If you are interested in participating, the survey

> can be found at:

> _https://UFL.https://UFhttps://UFL.https://UFL.<WBRht_

> (https://ufl.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2mX5IUQN9ABbmmg)

>

> *Dietitians may find the nutrition knowledge

> questionnaire quite simple,

> as this measure was developed to be administered to

> laypersons as well as

> dietary science professionals (Parmenter K and

> Wardle J. Development of a

> general nutrition knowledge questionnaire for

> adults. European Journal of

> Clinical Nutrition. 53, 1999, 298-308). Please

> respond to the items with

> what

> you think is the best response for a completely

> average person.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike C. Parent

> University of Florida

> _http://www.psych.http://wwhttp://_

> (http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~parent/)

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4@... <mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com>

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) and specialist in

> inflammation caused by

> non-IgE food sensitivity - which causes IBS,

> migraine, fibromyalgia,

> arthritis and more. Co-author of the Certified LEAP

> Therapist Training

> Course

> -inexpensive CPE for the RD and learn how to use the

> Mediator Release Test

> (MRT)

> and implement the LEAP Diet Protocol.

>

> Your email is important to me. If you send me an

> important email, and I

> don't respond in 2 business days, PLEASE give me a

> call. Some weeks, I get

> buried in email and I do not mean to ignore your

> email.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

While I agree wholeheartedly with Jan and Sally, this reaction from dietitians

(including myself) points to why we are the best medical practitioner to counsel

patients on food choices.....I would like to hear if other medical professionals

taking the survey have the same pointed questions to the obviously inadequate

choices presented in the survey......

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:52:20 -0500

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Sally Orloff "

)

>Subject: RE: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

>To: <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> Just took the test and I would agree with many of

> your points. The question

> about the cheese sandwich was odd and I didn't want

> to make a selection.

>

> Sally Orloff, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

> Chicago, IL

>

> _____

>

> From: rd-usa

> [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Dineright4@...

> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Study on scope of

> practice/referral to RDs

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> I hate to tell you this! I don't see that this test

> measures nutrition

> knowledge.

>

> I had a lot of difficulty with the survey since my

> answer would have been

> " none of the above " - such as how many servings of

> fruits and vegetables a

> day. Most " health professionals " would recommend 9

> or more. Thus, your

> survey didn't give that option, and I don't think

> most RDs would consider

> just

> 5-6 servings a day adequate (2 fruits, 3 veggies? 3

> fruits, 2 veggies?

> That's not enough!) ;-)

>

> Maybe instead of " I don't know " one answer could

> have been " other " or

> " none of the above. "

>

> Most of these questions have more than one " best "

> answer - it truly would

> depend on the client history!

>

> For example, the bread/sandwich questions - it would

> entirely depend on the

> " kind " of bread and if the cheese was organic or

> processed. (Most bread

> sold as " wholegrain " is truly just junk food that I

> would NOT recommend.)

>

> Lowest fat grilled food? Does the pork chop have the

> fat still on it

> (like my father used to love his pork chops) and is

> the ground turkey that

> cheap

> stuff with all the turkey skin in it, or is it

> ground turkey breast? Too

> many unknowns. (And, maybe the steak is my favorite

> steak, bison or

> organic/wild elk steak.) ;-)

>

> So, you see, because so much can be read into each

> question, I guarantee

> even RDs won't answer the same!

>

> In a message dated 6/15/2012 7:48:58 A.M. Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> rd-usa

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes:

>

> _Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs _

> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rd-usa/message/28555;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYWhlYjZsBF9

> TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEwMDM1N

> TQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTIwOQRtc2dJZAMyODU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZ

> QMxMzM5NzY4MTMz)

> Posted by: " Mike Parent " _parent.mike@...

> <mailto:_parent.mike%40yahoo.com> _

> (mailto:parent.mike@...

> <mailto:parent.mike%40yahoo.com> ?Subject=

> Re:%20Study%20on%20scope%20of%20practice/referral%20to%20RDs)

> _parent.mike _

> (http://profiles.yahoo.com/parent.mike)

> Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT)

>

> Dear members,

>

> I'm a PhD student in psychology, and I am conducting

> a study on scope of

> practice in psychology as it pertains to health.

> This study has important

> implications for understanding how psychologists

> refer clients to dietitians

>

> and personal trainers, and as part of the study I

> would like dietitians to

> give me a " baseline " for our measure of basic

> knowledge of diet.

>

> Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on

> working with

> conditions such as diabetes and obesity. But,

> psychology PhD training

> involves NO

> training in those kinds of health conditions as part

> of core curriculum, and

>

> NO training in dietary science. Thus, there is a big

> danger of

> psychologists practicing outside their scope of

> competency (and within a

> dietitian's

> scope of practice) in addressing these concerns.

> There has, as yet, been no

> research on how often psychologists refer clients

> with

> eating/dietary/Currently in psychology, there's been

> an emphasis on working

> with conditions

> such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD

> training inv

>

> As part of this survey, psychologists will complete

> a short questionnaire

> on nutrition/diet knowledge and referral practice. I

> would like to compare

> their scores to experts in this area. The survey is

> online and would be

> short for dietitians (5-10 minutes; a few

> demographics questions and the

> knowledge questionnaire)A

>

> We expect to find that psychologists are not

> knowledgable about diet and

> nutrition, and don't refer to dietitians as much as

> they should. If this is

> the case, we intend to advocate for improved

> training in referrals to RDs

> and inclusion of RDs in treatment planning, or

> complete dietitian training

> to be completed by psychologists who intend to

> engage in clinical work with

> populations with conditions like obesity and

> diabetes and directly

> intervene in these areas.

>

> If you are interested in participating, the survey

> can be found at:

> _https://UFL.https://UFhttps://UFL.https://UFL.<WBRht_

> (https://ufl.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2mX5IUQN9ABbmmg)

>

> *Dietitians may find the nutrition knowledge

> questionnaire quite simple,

> as this measure was developed to be administered to

> laypersons as well as

> dietary science professionals (Parmenter K and

> Wardle J. Development of a

> general nutrition knowledge questionnaire for

> adults. European Journal of

> Clinical Nutrition. 53, 1999, 298-308). Please

> respond to the items with

> what

> you think is the best response for a completely

> average person.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike C. Parent

> University of Florida

> _http://www.psych.http://wwhttp://_

> (http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~parent/)

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4@... <mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com>

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) and specialist in

> inflammation caused by

> non-IgE food sensitivity - which causes IBS,

> migraine, fibromyalgia,

> arthritis and more. Co-author of the Certified LEAP

> Therapist Training

> Course

> -inexpensive CPE for the RD and learn how to use the

> Mediator Release Test

> (MRT)

> and implement the LEAP Diet Protocol.

>

> Your email is important to me. If you send me an

> important email, and I

> don't respond in 2 business days, PLEASE give me a

> call. Some weeks, I get

> buried in email and I do not mean to ignore your

> email.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain

information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended

recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this

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I also found the survey difficult to answer. Many of the questions the answer

would depend on the quality of the food as well as the specific needs of the

patient.

Conger, MS, RD, CD, CDE

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>

> Just took the test and I would agree with many of your points. The question

> about the cheese sandwich was odd and I didn't want to make a selection.

>

> Sally Orloff, MS, RD, LDN, CDE

> Chicago, IL

>

> _____

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Dineright4@...

> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> I hate to tell you this! I don't see that this test measures nutrition

> knowledge.

>

> I had a lot of difficulty with the survey since my answer would have been

> " none of the above " - such as how many servings of fruits and vegetables a

> day. Most " health professionals " would recommend 9 or more. Thus, your

> survey didn't give that option, and I don't think most RDs would consider

> just

> 5-6 servings a day adequate (2 fruits, 3 veggies? 3 fruits, 2 veggies?

> That's not enough!) ;-)

>

> Maybe instead of " I don't know " one answer could have been " other " or

> " none of the above. "

>

> Most of these questions have more than one " best " answer - it truly would

> depend on the client history!

>

> For example, the bread/sandwich questions - it would entirely depend on the

> " kind " of bread and if the cheese was organic or processed. (Most bread

> sold as " wholegrain " is truly just junk food that I would NOT recommend.)

>

> Lowest fat grilled food? Does the pork chop have the fat still on it

> (like my father used to love his pork chops) and is the ground turkey that

> cheap

> stuff with all the turkey skin in it, or is it ground turkey breast? Too

> many unknowns. (And, maybe the steak is my favorite steak, bison or

> organic/wild elk steak.) ;-)

>

> So, you see, because so much can be read into each question, I guarantee

> even RDs won't answer the same!

>

> In a message dated 6/15/2012 7:48:58 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes:

>

> _Study on scope of practice/referral to RDs _

> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rd-usa/message/28555;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYWhlYjZsBF9

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> Posted by: " Mike Parent " _parent.mike@...

> <mailto:_parent.mike%40yahoo.com> _

> (mailto:parent.mike@... <mailto:parent.mike%40yahoo.com> ?Subject=

> Re:%20Study%20on%20scope%20of%20practice/referral%20to%20RDs)

> _parent.mike _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/parent.mike)

> Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT)

>

> Dear members,

>

> I'm a PhD student in psychology, and I am conducting a study on scope of

> practice in psychology as it pertains to health. This study has important

> implications for understanding how psychologists refer clients to dietitians

>

> and personal trainers, and as part of the study I would like dietitians to

> give me a " baseline " for our measure of basic knowledge of diet.

>

> Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working with

> conditions such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training

> involves NO

> training in those kinds of health conditions as part of core curriculum, and

>

> NO training in dietary science. Thus, there is a big danger of

> psychologists practicing outside their scope of competency (and within a

> dietitian's

> scope of practice) in addressing these concerns. There has, as yet, been no

> research on how often psychologists refer clients with

> eating/dietary/Currently in psychology, there's been an emphasis on working

> with conditions

> such as diabetes and obesity. But, psychology PhD training inv

>

> As part of this survey, psychologists will complete a short questionnaire

> on nutrition/diet knowledge and referral practice. I would like to compare

> their scores to experts in this area. The survey is online and would be

> short for dietitians (5-10 minutes; a few demographics questions and the

> knowledge questionnaire)A

>

> We expect to find that psychologists are not knowledgable about diet and

> nutrition, and don't refer to dietitians as much as they should. If this is

> the case, we intend to advocate for improved training in referrals to RDs

> and inclusion of RDs in treatment planning, or complete dietitian training

> to be completed by psychologists who intend to engage in clinical work with

> populations with conditions like obesity and diabetes and directly

> intervene in these areas.

>

> If you are interested in participating, the survey can be found at:

> _https://UFL.https://UFhttps://UFL.https://UFL.<WBRht_

> (https://ufl.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2mX5IUQN9ABbmmg)

>

> *Dietitians may find the nutrition knowledge questionnaire quite simple,

> as this measure was developed to be administered to laypersons as well as

> dietary science professionals (Parmenter K and Wardle J. Development of a

> general nutrition knowledge questionnaire for adults. European Journal of

> Clinical Nutrition. 53, 1999, 298-308). Please respond to the items with

> what

> you think is the best response for a completely average person.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Mike C. Parent

> University of Florida

> _http://www.psych.http://wwhttp://_ (http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~parent/)

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corp.

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> (Mountain Time)

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>

> Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) and specialist in inflammation caused by

> non-IgE food sensitivity - which causes IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia,

> arthritis and more. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training

> Course

> -inexpensive CPE for the RD and learn how to use the Mediator Release Test

> (MRT)

> and implement the LEAP Diet Protocol.

>

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