Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hello eloree@..., In reference to your comment: ð it's your own choice how you try to control your ð diabetes, but i feel rather let down by this particular ð group, since i was hoping to find more people who do ð the cda/ada meal plan (choices/exchanges). well since people who follow those lists... for the most part... don't last real long, and if they do they have lots of diabetic complications.. i'd gather that's why they are not on here posting Have a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hello eloree@..., In reference to your comment: ð it's your own choice how you try to control your ð diabetes, but i feel rather let down by this particular ð group, since i was hoping to find more people who do ð the cda/ada meal plan (choices/exchanges). well since people who follow those lists... for the most part... don't last real long, and if they do they have lots of diabetic complications.. i'd gather that's why they are not on here posting Have a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi, Rick, that was a most diplomatic post and very well said. While this isn't strictly a " lowcarb list, " it seems that those who find us have already tried the " traditional " ADA approach and have failed at it. So many medical personnel seem to toss the " one-size-fits-all ADA approach " at newbies and we know it just doesn't work that way. The docs and CDEs who actually tell their patients about lowcarbing (or even moderate carbing) seem to be pretty rare birds. (I was lucky!) I guess I sort of see us as an alternative. There is, of course a difference between low carbing and moderate carbing but good results can be had with both of these approaches. I wish I could say the same for the ADA approach, but it just seems to cause more problems. from what I've learned.. Just IMHO...Vicki << So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi, Rick, that was a most diplomatic post and very well said. While this isn't strictly a " lowcarb list, " it seems that those who find us have already tried the " traditional " ADA approach and have failed at it. So many medical personnel seem to toss the " one-size-fits-all ADA approach " at newbies and we know it just doesn't work that way. The docs and CDEs who actually tell their patients about lowcarbing (or even moderate carbing) seem to be pretty rare birds. (I was lucky!) I guess I sort of see us as an alternative. There is, of course a difference between low carbing and moderate carbing but good results can be had with both of these approaches. I wish I could say the same for the ADA approach, but it just seems to cause more problems. from what I've learned.. Just IMHO...Vicki << So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi, Rick, that was a most diplomatic post and very well said. While this isn't strictly a " lowcarb list, " it seems that those who find us have already tried the " traditional " ADA approach and have failed at it. So many medical personnel seem to toss the " one-size-fits-all ADA approach " at newbies and we know it just doesn't work that way. The docs and CDEs who actually tell their patients about lowcarbing (or even moderate carbing) seem to be pretty rare birds. (I was lucky!) I guess I sort of see us as an alternative. There is, of course a difference between low carbing and moderate carbing but good results can be had with both of these approaches. I wish I could say the same for the ADA approach, but it just seems to cause more problems. from what I've learned.. Just IMHO...Vicki << So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Liz wrote: > i haven't been on this list long, but i'm already very tired and > frustrated with the main focus of the list being the atkins/no carb, > high protein approach, and the lack of support or positive discussion > of the methods encouraged by the american/canadian diabetes > associations. the intro to the group does say " People who seek > support or answers to their questions, and who wish to participate in > a positive, supporting and uplifting debate on this disease, the > problems related to it, and different ways to get and keep Diabetes > under control " , yet i see no positive support for anyone who wants to > follow a lower fat/protein, higher carb lifestyle. > > it's your own choice how you try to control your diabetes, but i feel > rather let down by this particular group, since i was hoping to find > more people who do the cda/ada meal plan (choices/exchanges). > > so i unsub, and search for another list. > > good luck to you all. > Liz has already unsubscribed, but a point needs to be made here for all those who are on this list. This isn't a Low-Carb, Moderate-Carb, or High-Carb list. We have members whose WOE is inclusive of all of the above. This is a list for Diabetics - period. Any viewpoint, as long as stated respectfully, is allowed on this group. Trashing of individuals is not, regardless of their WOE. As is true in any group, those who post are heard - period. No one can guess as to what the thoughts are of those who do not take the time to post. No one is required to post and lurking is not discouraged here. However, if someone feels that their viewpoint is not being addressed by the majority of those posting (again, I am not saying the majority of the group), they should feel free to speak up and be heard. The only time I will ever come down hard as a Moderator is when a person is being " abused " because of posting their viewpoint. I will not intervene if someone is venting against and organization. It seems that the favored organization to " beat-up " on here is the ADA. I have never stepped in and asked anyone to tone down their rhetoric regarding the ADA. And yet, I personally appreciate much of the work done by the ADA. It is a well known fact that the ADA recommends a High Carb WOE and many here have accused the ADA of " killing " people with that recommendation. Even though I would never feel comfortable using that level of rhetoric, I have not challenged those that do. When individuals are attacked though, watch out! I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Liz wrote: > i haven't been on this list long, but i'm already very tired and > frustrated with the main focus of the list being the atkins/no carb, > high protein approach, and the lack of support or positive discussion > of the methods encouraged by the american/canadian diabetes > associations. the intro to the group does say " People who seek > support or answers to their questions, and who wish to participate in > a positive, supporting and uplifting debate on this disease, the > problems related to it, and different ways to get and keep Diabetes > under control " , yet i see no positive support for anyone who wants to > follow a lower fat/protein, higher carb lifestyle. > > it's your own choice how you try to control your diabetes, but i feel > rather let down by this particular group, since i was hoping to find > more people who do the cda/ada meal plan (choices/exchanges). > > so i unsub, and search for another list. > > good luck to you all. > Liz has already unsubscribed, but a point needs to be made here for all those who are on this list. This isn't a Low-Carb, Moderate-Carb, or High-Carb list. We have members whose WOE is inclusive of all of the above. This is a list for Diabetics - period. Any viewpoint, as long as stated respectfully, is allowed on this group. Trashing of individuals is not, regardless of their WOE. As is true in any group, those who post are heard - period. No one can guess as to what the thoughts are of those who do not take the time to post. No one is required to post and lurking is not discouraged here. However, if someone feels that their viewpoint is not being addressed by the majority of those posting (again, I am not saying the majority of the group), they should feel free to speak up and be heard. The only time I will ever come down hard as a Moderator is when a person is being " abused " because of posting their viewpoint. I will not intervene if someone is venting against and organization. It seems that the favored organization to " beat-up " on here is the ADA. I have never stepped in and asked anyone to tone down their rhetoric regarding the ADA. And yet, I personally appreciate much of the work done by the ADA. It is a well known fact that the ADA recommends a High Carb WOE and many here have accused the ADA of " killing " people with that recommendation. Even though I would never feel comfortable using that level of rhetoric, I have not challenged those that do. When individuals are attacked though, watch out! I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Liz wrote: > i haven't been on this list long, but i'm already very tired and > frustrated with the main focus of the list being the atkins/no carb, > high protein approach, and the lack of support or positive discussion > of the methods encouraged by the american/canadian diabetes > associations. the intro to the group does say " People who seek > support or answers to their questions, and who wish to participate in > a positive, supporting and uplifting debate on this disease, the > problems related to it, and different ways to get and keep Diabetes > under control " , yet i see no positive support for anyone who wants to > follow a lower fat/protein, higher carb lifestyle. > > it's your own choice how you try to control your diabetes, but i feel > rather let down by this particular group, since i was hoping to find > more people who do the cda/ada meal plan (choices/exchanges). > > so i unsub, and search for another list. > > good luck to you all. > Liz has already unsubscribed, but a point needs to be made here for all those who are on this list. This isn't a Low-Carb, Moderate-Carb, or High-Carb list. We have members whose WOE is inclusive of all of the above. This is a list for Diabetics - period. Any viewpoint, as long as stated respectfully, is allowed on this group. Trashing of individuals is not, regardless of their WOE. As is true in any group, those who post are heard - period. No one can guess as to what the thoughts are of those who do not take the time to post. No one is required to post and lurking is not discouraged here. However, if someone feels that their viewpoint is not being addressed by the majority of those posting (again, I am not saying the majority of the group), they should feel free to speak up and be heard. The only time I will ever come down hard as a Moderator is when a person is being " abused " because of posting their viewpoint. I will not intervene if someone is venting against and organization. It seems that the favored organization to " beat-up " on here is the ADA. I have never stepped in and asked anyone to tone down their rhetoric regarding the ADA. And yet, I personally appreciate much of the work done by the ADA. It is a well known fact that the ADA recommends a High Carb WOE and many here have accused the ADA of " killing " people with that recommendation. Even though I would never feel comfortable using that level of rhetoric, I have not challenged those that do. When individuals are attacked though, watch out! I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Thanks Rick. I agree with you that it's very untrue to say that a person following the exchange diet will not live long enough to be here to post. Diabetes is a tricky and cunning and baffling disease and the approach to a control is not one size fits all. I wish it were that easy. My husband's uncle lived to be about 88 with NO diabetes complications. He lived in the UK and ate NO sugar and followed the exchange diet which is limited on carbs anyway. He was very diligent! He weighted and measured all foods and never went over the amount he was to eat each and every day even on holidays or when company came to visit. He ate rice and bread and potato in measured amounts. He golfed at least 3x a week and was a very happy positive person. He died of heart failure but he was 88. His eyes, kidneys, feet and legs were fine...(he wore glasses but what 88 year old doesn't). I think the key here is that he followed his plan and never went off. His daughter and wife lived with him until he died and they cooked for him and they claim that he never cheated! What very rare control he had!! We are all different and have to find a path that works. Low carb is not good for everyone. I know one lady who controls her diet by eating less carbs but if she eats fatty meats her cholesterol goes shy high!! She has to eat healthy meats and oils...sus -----Original Message----- From: Rick I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Thanks Rick. I agree with you that it's very untrue to say that a person following the exchange diet will not live long enough to be here to post. Diabetes is a tricky and cunning and baffling disease and the approach to a control is not one size fits all. I wish it were that easy. My husband's uncle lived to be about 88 with NO diabetes complications. He lived in the UK and ate NO sugar and followed the exchange diet which is limited on carbs anyway. He was very diligent! He weighted and measured all foods and never went over the amount he was to eat each and every day even on holidays or when company came to visit. He ate rice and bread and potato in measured amounts. He golfed at least 3x a week and was a very happy positive person. He died of heart failure but he was 88. His eyes, kidneys, feet and legs were fine...(he wore glasses but what 88 year old doesn't). I think the key here is that he followed his plan and never went off. His daughter and wife lived with him until he died and they cooked for him and they claim that he never cheated! What very rare control he had!! We are all different and have to find a path that works. Low carb is not good for everyone. I know one lady who controls her diet by eating less carbs but if she eats fatty meats her cholesterol goes shy high!! She has to eat healthy meats and oils...sus -----Original Message----- From: Rick I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Thanks Rick. I agree with you that it's very untrue to say that a person following the exchange diet will not live long enough to be here to post. Diabetes is a tricky and cunning and baffling disease and the approach to a control is not one size fits all. I wish it were that easy. My husband's uncle lived to be about 88 with NO diabetes complications. He lived in the UK and ate NO sugar and followed the exchange diet which is limited on carbs anyway. He was very diligent! He weighted and measured all foods and never went over the amount he was to eat each and every day even on holidays or when company came to visit. He ate rice and bread and potato in measured amounts. He golfed at least 3x a week and was a very happy positive person. He died of heart failure but he was 88. His eyes, kidneys, feet and legs were fine...(he wore glasses but what 88 year old doesn't). I think the key here is that he followed his plan and never went off. His daughter and wife lived with him until he died and they cooked for him and they claim that he never cheated! What very rare control he had!! We are all different and have to find a path that works. Low carb is not good for everyone. I know one lady who controls her diet by eating less carbs but if she eats fatty meats her cholesterol goes shy high!! She has to eat healthy meats and oils...sus -----Original Message----- From: Rick I am a moderate carber, but can see clear advantages of the Low Carb WOE for Diabetics. I am also aware that a person following a Low Carb WOE must take even more care to make sure that they get all the nutrients that they need. If a person can eat a large amount of Carbs and do well with that WOE, more power to them. So to sum this up: If your viewpoint is not being expressed, don't jump to the " unsubscribe " option right off the bat. Take the time to express your viewpoint. You may be surprised to find others on this list who agree with you, but have been to shy to speak up. To all those who do post - Thank You! And I do mean ALL of you! Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 11:49:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: > I eat 350ish worth of > carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't > know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. > I'll > get stoned > Here again, carb amount info is misleading. at 4 kcals/gram of carb, this means you take in about 1400 kcals of carb alone per day, which is more than my total daily calories. Maybe we should focus on the % of carb kcals we take in per day. Carol T...jealous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 11:49:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: > I eat 350ish worth of > carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't > know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. > I'll > get stoned > Here again, carb amount info is misleading. at 4 kcals/gram of carb, this means you take in about 1400 kcals of carb alone per day, which is more than my total daily calories. Maybe we should focus on the % of carb kcals we take in per day. Carol T...jealous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 11:49:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: > I eat 350ish worth of > carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't > know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. > I'll > get stoned > Here again, carb amount info is misleading. at 4 kcals/gram of carb, this means you take in about 1400 kcals of carb alone per day, which is more than my total daily calories. Maybe we should focus on the % of carb kcals we take in per day. Carol T...jealous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Hey, Will, don' t just lurk, speak up! If you can eat 350 carbs a day and still maintain an A1C under 6 you're doing great...just another example of YMMV. And everyone needs to know that, too. Just for our information, are you taking any meds? Are you eating lower GI carbs? Are you overweight and if so, have you lost any weight? How long have you been diabetic? The best advice we can give is EAT AND TEST AND EAT AND TEST AND KEEP GOOD NOTES! Then you'll find what works for you. The goal is to keep our BGs as close to normal (100) as possible to avoid future complications. Diabetes is an extremely individual and complex disease and what works for one may not work for another. All we can do is offer our own experience. And I promise I won't stone you, smile. Vicki In a message dated 02/19/2002 12:48:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: > I eat 350ish worth of > carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't > know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. > I'll > get stoned > Will > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Hey, Will, don' t just lurk, speak up! If you can eat 350 carbs a day and still maintain an A1C under 6 you're doing great...just another example of YMMV. And everyone needs to know that, too. Just for our information, are you taking any meds? Are you eating lower GI carbs? Are you overweight and if so, have you lost any weight? How long have you been diabetic? The best advice we can give is EAT AND TEST AND EAT AND TEST AND KEEP GOOD NOTES! Then you'll find what works for you. The goal is to keep our BGs as close to normal (100) as possible to avoid future complications. Diabetes is an extremely individual and complex disease and what works for one may not work for another. All we can do is offer our own experience. And I promise I won't stone you, smile. Vicki In a message dated 02/19/2002 12:48:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: > I eat 350ish worth of > carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't > know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. > I'll > get stoned > Will > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 1:49:01 PM Central Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: << I eat 350ish worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. I'll get stoned Will >> I don't think that is allowed....stones do such damage to computer screen. I personally am glad that anyone succeeds in taming this monster. How you do that and what works for you and sharing that information allows everyone to take bits and pieces from the success stories and make there own success. Share your stories.......success is success no matter how you get it. ressy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 1:49:01 PM Central Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: << I eat 350ish worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. I'll get stoned Will >> I don't think that is allowed....stones do such damage to computer screen. I personally am glad that anyone succeeds in taming this monster. How you do that and what works for you and sharing that information allows everyone to take bits and pieces from the success stories and make there own success. Share your stories.......success is success no matter how you get it. ressy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 In a message dated 2/19/02 1:49:01 PM Central Standard Time, jkl.mno@... writes: << I eat 350ish worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. I'll get stoned Will >> I don't think that is allowed....stones do such damage to computer screen. I personally am glad that anyone succeeds in taming this monster. How you do that and what works for you and sharing that information allows everyone to take bits and pieces from the success stories and make there own success. Share your stories.......success is success no matter how you get it. ressy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Will wrote: > This may not be " strictly a lowcarb list " but in the opinion of this > lurker, it's awfully, awfully, close particularly since virtually all > of the posters espouse that position. When I joined this list I didn't > realize that was the > slant because Yahoo gives an inaccurate description. I eat 350ish > worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 > in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least > on this list. I'll > get stoned > Will Hi Will, Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion. Sometime it takes gut to say that your ideas goes against what seems to be the tide of opinion around you. As far as the Yahoo Description goes, it still stands. This is a group for ALL diabetics who wish to participate. As I have said in previous posts, my only requirement is courtesy and staying " on-topic " for the most part. Occasional " off-topic " posts are ok as long as they are not sales pitches or some such thing. In a group, those who speak up are the ones who are heard. While it may seem that their opinions are the prevailing opinions, no one can say for sure. In my " ideal " group, everyone would post their views and the responses would all be civil, even from those who think 180 degrees the other way. Unfortunately this does not always happen. The job of a Moderator is to see that things don't get too far out of hand when there is a problem brewing. What I can't do as a moderator, is force every opinion to be expressed. I have been trying to encourage some of our more silent folks to speak up, and many have - THANKS TO EACH OF YOU! I know there are many others out there who have yet to dip their toes into the water. To them I would say, when you are ready, come on in. So... No stones for Will! ) And if you are eating 30ish carbs a day and keeping your HbA1c low I personally think that is great. Before we were diagnosed with Diabetes, many of us probably never paid much attention to carbs anyway. In an " ideal " world, we would be able to eat anything we wanted and still maintain good blood sugar levels. If someone is able to come close to that, great! If someone else needs to cut out most carbs, that's ok too. If someone needs to call Phyllis and ask her for some of her DDDOS (doggie doo-doo on a stick), well, anyway, you get my point. ) Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Will wrote: > This may not be " strictly a lowcarb list " but in the opinion of this > lurker, it's awfully, awfully, close particularly since virtually all > of the posters espouse that position. When I joined this list I didn't > realize that was the > slant because Yahoo gives an inaccurate description. I eat 350ish > worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 > in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least > on this list. I'll > get stoned > Will Hi Will, Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion. Sometime it takes gut to say that your ideas goes against what seems to be the tide of opinion around you. As far as the Yahoo Description goes, it still stands. This is a group for ALL diabetics who wish to participate. As I have said in previous posts, my only requirement is courtesy and staying " on-topic " for the most part. Occasional " off-topic " posts are ok as long as they are not sales pitches or some such thing. In a group, those who speak up are the ones who are heard. While it may seem that their opinions are the prevailing opinions, no one can say for sure. In my " ideal " group, everyone would post their views and the responses would all be civil, even from those who think 180 degrees the other way. Unfortunately this does not always happen. The job of a Moderator is to see that things don't get too far out of hand when there is a problem brewing. What I can't do as a moderator, is force every opinion to be expressed. I have been trying to encourage some of our more silent folks to speak up, and many have - THANKS TO EACH OF YOU! I know there are many others out there who have yet to dip their toes into the water. To them I would say, when you are ready, come on in. So... No stones for Will! ) And if you are eating 30ish carbs a day and keeping your HbA1c low I personally think that is great. Before we were diagnosed with Diabetes, many of us probably never paid much attention to carbs anyway. In an " ideal " world, we would be able to eat anything we wanted and still maintain good blood sugar levels. If someone is able to come close to that, great! If someone else needs to cut out most carbs, that's ok too. If someone needs to call Phyllis and ask her for some of her DDDOS (doggie doo-doo on a stick), well, anyway, you get my point. ) Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Will wrote: > This may not be " strictly a lowcarb list " but in the opinion of this > lurker, it's awfully, awfully, close particularly since virtually all > of the posters espouse that position. When I joined this list I didn't > realize that was the > slant because Yahoo gives an inaccurate description. I eat 350ish > worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 > in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least > on this list. I'll > get stoned > Will Hi Will, Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion. Sometime it takes gut to say that your ideas goes against what seems to be the tide of opinion around you. As far as the Yahoo Description goes, it still stands. This is a group for ALL diabetics who wish to participate. As I have said in previous posts, my only requirement is courtesy and staying " on-topic " for the most part. Occasional " off-topic " posts are ok as long as they are not sales pitches or some such thing. In a group, those who speak up are the ones who are heard. While it may seem that their opinions are the prevailing opinions, no one can say for sure. In my " ideal " group, everyone would post their views and the responses would all be civil, even from those who think 180 degrees the other way. Unfortunately this does not always happen. The job of a Moderator is to see that things don't get too far out of hand when there is a problem brewing. What I can't do as a moderator, is force every opinion to be expressed. I have been trying to encourage some of our more silent folks to speak up, and many have - THANKS TO EACH OF YOU! I know there are many others out there who have yet to dip their toes into the water. To them I would say, when you are ready, come on in. So... No stones for Will! ) And if you are eating 30ish carbs a day and keeping your HbA1c low I personally think that is great. Before we were diagnosed with Diabetes, many of us probably never paid much attention to carbs anyway. In an " ideal " world, we would be able to eat anything we wanted and still maintain good blood sugar levels. If someone is able to come close to that, great! If someone else needs to cut out most carbs, that's ok too. If someone needs to call Phyllis and ask her for some of her DDDOS (doggie doo-doo on a stick), well, anyway, you get my point. ) Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Rick wrote: > > So... No stones for Will! ) And if you are eating 30ish carbs a > day and keeping your HbA1c low I personally think that is great. For crying out loud!!!! I think my keyboard is in " low-carb rebellion! " The line above was supposed to read 350ish carbs a day, not 30ish!!! Blushing Rick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Rick wrote: > > So... No stones for Will! ) And if you are eating 30ish carbs a > day and keeping your HbA1c low I personally think that is great. For crying out loud!!!! I think my keyboard is in " low-carb rebellion! " The line above was supposed to read 350ish carbs a day, not 30ish!!! Blushing Rick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 This is one of the reasons I have piped in a little more often. Although I am at a point where I have reduced the number of carbs I eat, I don't think I will ever get to the " low " carb end of things. When I was first diagnosed (7 years ago), I was put on oral meds and was able to keep on eating whatever I wanted and still had HbA1c's of the low 5's. Unfortunately, that part has changed and therefore I have had to adjust my eating habits to work with it. I will always like carbs! I think it is great that many people can still eat whatever they want and still keep good numbers. I would like to hear more from this group of people - what types of meds (if any) are you on and at what dosages. Do you have any certain diet or exercise regimes that I might be interested in? That is what a group like this one is all about..... many different people from all around the world with one thing in common - diabetes - and possibly millions of different combinations of ways to control it, or to struggle with it... sharing their experiences. This may not be " strictly a lowcarb list " but in the opinion of this lurker, it's awfully, awfully, close particularly since virtually all of the posters espouse that position. When I joined this list I didn't realize that was the slant because Yahoo gives an inaccurate description. I eat 350ish worth of carbs a day and haven't had a HbAc, or whatever it is, over 6 in I don't know how long but I will never mention it again, at least on this list. I'll get stoned Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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