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--- In , " chrbcktt " <penguinpanties@...>

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> Hi everyone,

>

> I very rarely post, as I just don't have time. But I do read most

> of the posts. My husband is the one with RA, and I joined several

> months ago in an attempt to arm him with the best information

> possible. I learn something new here every day, and I thank you

all

> for allowing me to participate, even if I do mostly lurk.

>

> Here is my very uncomfortable question: My husband was diagnosed

> about 6 months ago, and has been taking methotrexate and plaquenil

> since the beginning. Although the Dr. is not yet willing to say

it,

> it would appear that he is in remission. He is about as pain-free

> as anyone without RA or any other painful disease can be. But

> something has changed since he began taking the meds. His libido

is

> almost non-existent. Have any of the men on here ever experienced

> this problem in relation to RA or the meds? I really don't mean to

> pry, I know this is an awkward question, but I am concerned for my

> husband.

>

> Thanks very much for any info anyone can provide. If you need more

> info, just let me know. I'll be glad to answer any questions.

>

> Cherie

>

I am glad you posted about this. My own Libido or interest in sex has

dropped drastically since I was diagnosed and put on the meds. That

part of my life just does not exist any more. I have a very

understanding husband, we have both come to to terms with this

problem. Our personal life will never be what is once was, however to

this day he is my very best friend and supporter. He goes to all of

my Dr visits with me. I just keep holding on to the thought that one

day there will be a cure, so we all live painless days and nights.

I feel a little awkward my self here as no one has actually posted

back to me, and I don;t know anyone, so if my posts sound a little

strange it is because I hold back alot of myself until I get to know

people. '

In Friendship

Vicki

Iowa

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I think this is normal for many RA patients.  If you hurt, you don't want to

have sex...medication side effects may make you less amorous...and if you are

dealing ineffectively with the disease (anxiety, depression, etc.) the last

thing you want is sex.

 

Not to offend any of our men (or ladies for that matter) on the list, but given

the stereotypical man, a diagnosis of RA might be more difficult on them

emotionally.

 

Shandi

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I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I very rarely post, as I just don't have time. But I do read most

> > of the posts. My husband is the one with RA, and I joined several

> > months ago in an attempt to arm him with the best information

> > possible. I learn something new here every day, and I thank you

> all

> > for allowing me to participate, even if I do mostly lurk.

> >

> > Here is my very uncomfortable question: My husband was diagnosed

> > about 6 months ago, and has been taking methotrexate and plaquenil

> > since the beginning. Although the Dr. is not yet willing to say

> it,

> > it would appear that he is in remission. He is about as pain-free

> > as anyone without RA or any other painful disease can be. But

> > something has changed since he began taking the meds. His libido

> is

> > almost non-existent. Have any of the men on here ever experienced

> > this problem in relation to RA or the meds? I really don't mean to

> > pry, I know this is an awkward question, but I am concerned for my

> > husband.

> >

> > Thanks very much for any info anyone can provide. If you need more

> > info, just let me know. I'll be glad to answer any questions.

> >

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add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have been seeing

from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or anywhere else!

****~**** Kami ****~****

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I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

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I'm sorry for everyone going through this, but glad I'm not alone. I

thought something was wrong with me. I have thought about bringing up

this question, but was just too embarrassed. Tawny

>

> add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have been

seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

anywhere else!

>

>

> ****~**** Kami ****~****

>

> ----- Original Message -----

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Thanks for your posts on this. I've been pondering more about taking

meds for my RA, but hmmm... a new thing to consider. My wife is

enjoying a newfound voracity for our love life and I certainly don't

want to mar that in any way. We've learned different positions allow

for my joints to take a break. If the meds do that for certain, it

adds a whole new variable in my decision to take or not take

DMARDS...though I should mention that it is not the only variable.

Brad

--- In , " S. Pruitt " <seriouslysanibel@...>

wrote:

>

>

> I think this is normal for many RA patients.  If you hurt, you

don't want to have sex...medication side effects may make you less

amorous...and if you are dealing ineffectively with the disease

(anxiety, depression, etc.) the last thing you want is sex.

>  

> Not to offend any of our men (or ladies for that matter) on the

list, but given the stereotypical man, a diagnosis of RA might be

more difficult on them emotionally.

>  

> Shandi

>

>

>

>

>

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A brave group to bring up an awkward but very real issue. Ladies.

It goes pretty much the same on the other side of the fence. Never

thought that would be possible, but it just is what it is.

Fortunately, I have a great wife of 38 years and our foundation is

built on much more than this part of our life. We're finding, like

anything else, it just takes a bit more patience and understanding.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. :)

Bob

> >

> > add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have

been

> seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

> anywhere else!

> >

> >

> > ****~**** Kami ****~****

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

>

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Thanks to everyone for being so candid. It sounds to me like my

husband's problem may have less to do with his meds, and more to do

with the burden of the disease itself. He feels pretty good these

days, far better than he did before his meds, but I think he may still

be having difficulty dealing with the uncertainty of the future. Maybe

he's a bit depressed. It's just hard to get him to open up.

Cherie

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Add me to that list of " lost libidos " . Mine went away a long time ago.

I just thought it was me - or our trials at the time - or our marriage

- or the pain - and the meds - and on and on. It used to be a very

sore subject, but we have (I hope) come to an understanding. I would

if I could, but I can't so I don't. And it doesn't mean I love my

husband any less than I did when we first met. In fact, I KNOW that I

love him more than ever. We have been together for over 18 years -

third marriage for both of us - and I know for a fact that none of the

others would have stood up to this test of time. I can honestly say

that I really believe we are married - til death do us part.

I think between the constipation questions and now the libido

questions, this awesome group has entered into the " anything goes "

phase. There are so many things that this disease affects. And

obviously its no longer just a matter of meds and pain, but how it

affects our everyday life. I am grateful to you all.....Doreen :)

PS - My humblest of apologies to those whose spouses couldn't weather

this storm of disease. May God Bless us all...

>

>

> I'm sorry for everyone going through this, but glad I'm not alone.

> I thought something was wrong with me. I have thought about

> bringing up this question, but was just too embarrassed. Tawny

>

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Cherie,

You really said a lot that rang true with me. Particularly about the

uncertainty of the future. I've heard of people having recurring

dreams or recurring themes in dreams and up until these last two months

I have never had that issue. Lately I had been having the recurring

dream of having my beloved truck stolen always followed by a tremendous

sense of helplessness and loss. I'm not Freud but it didn't take much

to figure out that I was reacting to being in a situation where I was

feeling helpless over losing something that I valued. Things such as

my health and even potentially my financial security. I think

accepting that is something that's affecting me is in someway making me

feel like I have regained some control. Your husband may still be

feeling he's lost that control in his life and it's going to take time

for him to come around.

This is a tough disease for anyone to learn to live with. Losing our

health causes a natural grieving process and whether we like it or not,

we find ourselves going through the stages of grief.

Sounds like you and your husband have a lot of good things going and

having you there to support him will go a long way towards helping him

to accept this disease and make the necessary adjustments.

Best wishes.

Bob

--- In , " chrbcktt " <penguinpanties@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks to everyone for being so candid. It sounds to me like my

> husband's problem may have less to do with his meds, and more to do

> with the burden of the disease itself. He feels pretty good these

> days, far better than he did before his meds, but I think he may

still

> be having difficulty dealing with the uncertainty of the future.

Maybe

> he's a bit depressed. It's just hard to get him to open up.

>

> Cherie

>

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Ditto- My doc says the Cymbalta has a lot to do with it. I just think my fun

box is broken and I dont care! :-)

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM, ~ Kami ~ <kamilleon@...> wrote:

> add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have been

> seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

> anywhere else!

>

> ****~**** Kami ****~****

>

> [ ] Re: very awkward question

>

> I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

> story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

> not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

> libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

> I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

> goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

>

> .

>

>

>

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Hi Bob - Praise God for a man like you who recognizes the TOTAL value

of your wife and not focusing on just the one aspect. You are a

blessing..............Doreen :)

>

> A brave group to bring up an awkward but very real issue. Ladies.

> It goes pretty much the same on the other side of the fence. Never

> thought that would be possible, but it just is what it is.

> Fortunately, I have a great wife of 38 years and our foundation is

> built on much more than this part of our life. We're finding, like

> anything else, it just takes a bit more patience and

> understanding.

> I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. :)

> Bob

>

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> Hi Bob - Praise God for a man like you who recognizes the TOTAL value

> of your wife and not focusing on just the one aspect. You are a

> blessing..............Doreen :)

Bob---->>Blushing.....

Ahh Schucks...... :)

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In my opinion if you have been married for more that a few years I don't think

it's fair to blame RA. That's just what happens. And that's why I'm is favor of

gay marriage, why do they get to be excluded from the God given misery the rest

of us have to endure! LOL

Stan

--------- [ ] Re: very awkward question

I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

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Just a suggestion. My boyfriend suggested a thing called a wedge for

people with arthritis. It should help with range of motion and joint

stability. It moves with the couple and supports the joints so people

don't have to work as hard. Just a thought to help make things

easier ;). I think they are kind of expensive, but maybe an exercise

ball or something could help, and those are around $15 and can be used

for great workouts without stressing the joints.

~Autumn

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Boy this subject got the light ball turned on...I agree with what

everybody is saying...My biggest thing is my husband doesnt seem to

completely understand..I ask myself How could this man still want sex

after all Im going through!! But I know its not fair to him..besides

that pain . somebody said " the depression, anxiety and the why me

syndrome " ...and even gina comes up with research on it!!! Just my 2

cents worth...diane

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Me too...I thought a lot about it because I have absolutely no

interest. My spouse takes it personally so it makes it difficult at

best.

smf

> >

> > add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have

been

> seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

> anywhere else!

> >

> >

> > ****~**** Kami ****~****

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

>

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I know what you mean, its nobody's fault. I still feel guilty

though. Having a chronic condition, is very hard on a relationship.

Its bad on our spouse's too, cause they just don't understand, and

for me I still feel guilty.

What can we do though? Its a task for me to get through the day,

then when its time for bed, I'm just done. My body hurts, and I'm

just tired. I think fatigue plays a lot for me.

So, your not alone, Tawny

> > >

> > > add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I

have

> been

> > seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom...

or

> > anywhere else!

> > >

> > >

> > > ****~**** Kami ****~****

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> >

>

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HA! That made me chuckle! Me neither!

****~**** Kami ****~****

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>

> I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

> story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

> not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

> libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

> I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

> goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

>

> .

>

>

>

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Maybe I am a rare bread but I took the vows of " Better or worse, richer

or poorer and in sickness and in health " as not just suggestions. Sex

drive and libido are primarily just the reactions to chemical changes

in our bodies. Love on the other hand goes well beyond that. There

are times in my life now where just holding each other or a gentle hug

is all I need and I know my wife feels the same way. That doesn't mean

we're totally without the rest. It just makes it more special when it

is possible. Maybe more men should learn about " spooning "

and " cuddling " . It doesn't mean I have to hand in my " Man " membership

card. It's my life and our relationship and it's worked for us for 38

years. I pray for you women you have to settle for anything less.

Bob -----> Off my soapbox. :)

>

> I know what you mean, its nobody's fault. I still feel guilty

> though. Having a chronic condition, is very hard on a relationship.

> Its bad on our spouse's too, cause they just don't understand, and

> for me I still feel guilty.

> What can we do though? Its a task for me to get through the day,

> then when its time for bed, I'm just done. My body hurts, and I'm

> just tired. I think fatigue plays a lot for me.

> So, your not alone, Tawny

>

>

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I think Bob brings up an important point, as long as both parties are happy with

the level of physical intimacy, there is no problem.  My soapbox is about the

importance of intimacy overall and how it can be helpful to have a variety of

sexual behaviors that both parties find rewarding.  Frequency is something the

couple has to negotiate and again, if everyone is happy, then there's no

problem.  However, too often physical intimacy is equated with intercourse and

if someone isn't able to do this, then all intimacy is taken totally off the

table because of pain, fatigue, disinterest, etc and before you know it, weeks,

months, and years have gone by and married/partnered couples start living more

as roommates.  Low libido can be a sign of worsening depression or even

resentment.  Addressing the underlying cause of low libido is good for the

person and for the relationship. 

Kate F

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Maybe I am a rare bread but I took the vows of " Better or worse, richer

or poorer and in sickness and in health " as not just suggestions. Sex

drive and libido are primarily just the reactions to chemical changes

in our bodies. Love on the other hand goes well beyond that. There

are times in my life now where just holding each other or a gentle hug

is all I need and I know my wife feels the same way. That doesn't mean

we're totally without the rest. It just makes it more special when it

is possible. Maybe more men should learn about " spooning "

and " cuddling " . It doesn't mean I have to hand in my " Man " membership

card. It's my life and our relationship and it's worked for us for 38

years. I pray for you women you have to settle for anything less.

Bob -----> Off my soapbox. :)

>

> I know what you mean, its nobody's fault. I still feel guilty

> though. Having a chronic condition, is very hard on a relationship.

> Its bad on our spouse's too, cause they just don't understand, and

> for me I still feel guilty.

> What can we do though? Its a task for me to get through the day,

> then when its time for bed, I'm just done. My body hurts, and I'm

> just tired. I think fatigue plays a lot for me.

> So, your not alone, Tawny

>

>

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THat is a very brave and true post .

So important to express.Communication is all.

UK

From: Fair <kalfoley@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: very awkward question

Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 6:17 PM

I think Bob brings up an important point, as long as both parties are happy with

the level of physical intimacy, there is no problem.  My soapbox is about the

importance of intimacy overall and how it can be helpful to have a variety of

sexual behaviors that both parties find rewarding.  Frequency is something the

couple has to negotiate and again, if everyone is happy, then there's no

problem.  However, too often physical intimacy is equated with intercourse and

if someone isn't able to do this, then all intimacy is taken totally off the

table because of pain, fatigue, disinterest, etc and before you know it, weeks,

months, and years have gone by and married/partnered couples start living more

as roommates.  Low libido can be a sign of worsening depression or even

resentment.  Addressing the underlying cause of low libido is good for the

person and for the relationship. 

Kate F

[ ] Re: very awkward question

Maybe I am a rare bread but I took the vows of " Better or worse, richer

or poorer and in sickness and in health " as not just suggestions. Sex

drive and libido are primarily just the reactions to chemical changes

in our bodies. Love on the other hand goes well beyond that. There

are times in my life now where just holding each other or a gentle hug

is all I need and I know my wife feels the same way. That doesn't mean

we're totally without the rest. It just makes it more special when it

is possible. Maybe more men should learn about " spooning "

and " cuddling " . It doesn't mean I have to hand in my " Man " membership

card. It's my life and our relationship and it's worked for us for 38

years. I pray for you women you have to settle for anything less.

Bob -----> Off my soapbox. :)

>

> I know what you mean, its nobody's fault. I still feel guilty

> though. Having a chronic condition, is very hard on a relationship.

> Its bad on our spouse's too, cause they just don't understand, and

> for me I still feel guilty.

> What can we do though? Its a task for me to get through the day,

> then when its time for bed, I'm just done. My body hurts, and I'm

> just tired. I think fatigue plays a lot for me.

> So, your not alone, Tawny

>

>

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I also have no sex drive in me.

> add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have been

> seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

> anywhere else!

>

> ****~**** Kami ****~****

>

> [ ] Re: very awkward question

>

> I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

> story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

> not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

> libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

> I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

> goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

>

> .

>

>

>

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I read often but don't post. I am glad to hear I am not the only one with 0

libido. And the RA is fairly well controlled with Humira and MTX. Strange

> add me to the " lost libido " list.... Even with the success I have been

> seeing from Humira, I have no desire whatsoever in the bedroom... or

> anywhere else!

>

> ****~**** Kami ****~****

>

> [ ] Re: very awkward question

>

> I'm also glad you posted this. What Vicki wrote, its like reading my

> story. My sex life went down the drain, when RA came into my life. Its

> not talked about very often here, but I am one of the victims of lost

> libido, and just not interested anymore. With all the pain we have, but

> I believe the meds are the main factor. Not a lot we can do. Thank

> goodness, most of us have spouses who understand. Tawny

>

> .

>

>

>

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