Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Marilyn, Thanks. I have heard the same of MS and another woman who went vegan attained remission from another autoimmune arthritis. It would be difficult but it doesn't cost anything to try. > > Hi, > > My name is Marilyn. My very good friend and neighbor was diagnosed > with RA about 15 years ago. She went from being very mobile to being > in severe pain, it seemed like it was overnight. I saw it in her > walk and in her face. > > The last time I told this story my motives were misconstrued. That's > too bad because the only money and work it takes is on the sufferer > of RA. Saves money and takes VERY hard work. > > Anyway let me continue. My friend's brother is a very smart man. > He's an attorney who likes to study alternative medicine. He told > his sister that he thought, based upon their family history of > arthritis, there is a food allergy in the family. The food....dairy. > Dairy is what comes from the cow, not eggs or mayonnaise. He > suggested that she give up all dairy and cleanse her system of dairy > which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells take a long time to > clean out so she would have to stay ~completely~ dairy free for a > long time. > > My friend who respects her brother's opinion thought that she would > try it. It turned out to be one of the hardest things she ever did > because forms of dairy are in all kinds of foods. > > Onward....she kept dairy from her diet for months. The pain lessened > and lessened. She was free from dairy for about 9 months and still > had some pain in her foot. She spoke to her brother about this and > he reviewed her diet. She was eating a hamburger for lunch every > day. He suggested she stop the beef every day. She did and became > pain free. > > To this day she is pain free unless she starts to saturate her > system with dairy or beef again. She knows, by her pain, when she is > taking her diet for granted. > > I witnessed this. > > My sister had a friend who was overcome with pain from RA at an > early age. She suggested to her friend to contact my friend. She in > turn gave up dairy. She is pain free. > > A man in a deli was talking about his pain from RA. My friends > brother told him about his sister. Many months later this man saw my > friends brother again and said to him " you saved my life. " He gave > up dairy. > > My friends mother suffered from a different form of arthritis and > had it for many years. She found some relief by giving up dairy from > her diet but her arthritis was too far advanced for her to become > pain free. > > This is not about having a little butter on your bread, it's about > giving up all dairy. Reading labels. Dairy is also in margarine so > be careful when substituting margarine for butter. > > My friend can now have dairy occasionally. I don't know about the > other 2 people who were helped by this. > > If giving up dairy helps one person here it's worth every word I've > written. > > My friend also had psoriasis. When she gave up dairy her psoriasis > went away. My sister's friend was encouraged by the story because > she realized that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. I > don't know about the man in the deli. > > Not one part of giving up dairy is easy. It takes hard work and a > change of diet that is never easy. > > Hope this encourages someone to look carefully at their diet to see > if dairy is a big part of their diet. Maybe this can help someone. > > One more thing about the subject of dairy. We are the only species > to drink another animals milk. Not only that, we are the only > species who continue to drink milk after weaning. Just something to > think about.... > > Marilyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 According to my friend it was one of the hardest things she's done in life. When the pain starts again she knows it's time to reflect on her diet. Now here's the intersting thing, her " very smart brother " knows this but hasn't been able to go dairy free or whatever ~he~ knows will help him and his feet are in jeapordy of being removed. I'm not sure what his problem is. All I know is that this has helped a few others. It's like quitting smoking, hard but it can be done with a lot of mental work. Not only mental work but reading lables and learning all forms of dairy in the lables. She bought bread that had no dairy. She likes white bread and found that many of the breads on the market use a form of dairy in their recipe. I love to see her pain free from her arthitis. She does have other problems like migraine headaches that become dibilitating. I've also heard of other food allergies, like wheat and corn are big ones. I have to admit I'm glad my message was posted. I've been to moderated groups before and have had some of my posts not posted ;>) Anything that helps one person is worth the posting. Marilyn > > Marilyn, > > Thanks. I have heard the same of MS and another woman who went vegan > attained remission from another autoimmune arthritis. > > It would be difficult but it doesn't cost anything to try. > > > > > > > --- In , " Marilyn " <mothertime2001@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > My name is Marilyn. My very good friend and neighbor was diagnosed > > with RA about 15 years ago. She went from being very mobile to being > > in severe pain, it seemed like it was overnight. I saw it in her > > walk and in her face. > > > > The last time I told this story my motives were misconstrued. That's > > too bad because the only money and work it takes is on the sufferer > > of RA. Saves money and takes VERY hard work. > > > > Anyway let me continue. My friend's brother is a very smart man. > > He's an attorney who likes to study alternative medicine. He told > > his sister that he thought, based upon their family history of > > arthritis, there is a food allergy in the family. The food....dairy. > > Dairy is what comes from the cow, not eggs or mayonnaise. He > > suggested that she give up all dairy and cleanse her system of dairy > > which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells take a long time to > > clean out so she would have to stay ~completely~ dairy free for a > > long time. > > > > My friend who respects her brother's opinion thought that she would > > try it. It turned out to be one of the hardest things she ever did > > because forms of dairy are in all kinds of foods. > > > > Onward....she kept dairy from her diet for months. The pain lessened > > and lessened. She was free from dairy for about 9 months and still > > had some pain in her foot. She spoke to her brother about this and > > he reviewed her diet. She was eating a hamburger for lunch every > > day. He suggested she stop the beef every day. She did and became > > pain free. > > > > To this day she is pain free unless she starts to saturate her > > system with dairy or beef again. She knows, by her pain, when she is > > taking her diet for granted. > > > > I witnessed this. > > > > My sister had a friend who was overcome with pain from RA at an > > early age. She suggested to her friend to contact my friend. She in > > turn gave up dairy. She is pain free. > > > > A man in a deli was talking about his pain from RA. My friends > > brother told him about his sister. Many months later this man saw my > > friends brother again and said to him " you saved my life. " He gave > > up dairy. > > > > My friends mother suffered from a different form of arthritis and > > had it for many years. She found some relief by giving up dairy from > > her diet but her arthritis was too far advanced for her to become > > pain free. > > > > This is not about having a little butter on your bread, it's about > > giving up all dairy. Reading labels. Dairy is also in margarine so > > be careful when substituting margarine for butter. > > > > My friend can now have dairy occasionally. I don't know about the > > other 2 people who were helped by this. > > > > If giving up dairy helps one person here it's worth every word I've > > written. > > > > My friend also had psoriasis. When she gave up dairy her psoriasis > > went away. My sister's friend was encouraged by the story because > > she realized that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. I > > don't know about the man in the deli. > > > > Not one part of giving up dairy is easy. It takes hard work and a > > change of diet that is never easy. > > > > Hope this encourages someone to look carefully at their diet to see > > if dairy is a big part of their diet. Maybe this can help someone. > > > > One more thing about the subject of dairy. We are the only species > > to drink another animals milk. Not only that, we are the only > > species who continue to drink milk after weaning. Just something to > > think about.... > > > > Marilyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Hi Marilyn: I'm glad this worked for your friend. Unfortunately for me, I have heard of, and tried, several different diets, antibiotics, guai protocols, and other things including alternative remedies that are supposed to help or cure my arthritis, Lupus and Fibro. The only thing that has helped me are narcotics, fish oil, shark cartilage, pred and an enzyme I can't at the moment remember. Now please don't think I am saying that the whole diet thing is a sham. I don't believe it is. I have seen it work on many people. However, I have to wonder if, in fact, those people really had RA/AS/Lupus/Fibro to begin with. Food allergies can mimmic many different diseases, one being arthritis. So, I can't help but wonder if the person was perhaps misdiagnosed, had an allergy all along that presented with symptoms of arthritis and was then cured when the allergy was removed. Or, another possibility, is they have very mild arthritis that ordinarily wouldn't give them trouble, due to the allergy the symptoms became severe and then were greatly lessened once the allergy is taken care of. I am forced into thinking this way because there have been many studies done by different organizations and groups on arthritis, lupus, fibro, et al. and some of those studies involve diet. I am a medical professional, so I am pretty cynical regarding the health care community, but I am not so cynical as to believe that doctors would keep millions in the dark if all that was required was a change in diet. At any rate, I'm glad that your friend is doing much better. It's a good thing she had her brother tell her his thoughts, isn't it? -- Dodge " I make the living, my dog makes the living worthwhile. " Read my blog at: http://jumpthis.wordpress.com ---- Marilyn <mothertime2001@...> wrote: ============= According to my friend it was one of the hardest things she's done in life. When the pain starts again she knows it's time to reflect on her diet. Now here's the intersting thing, her " very smart brother " knows this but hasn't been able to go dairy free or whatever ~he~ knows will help him and his feet are in jeapordy of being removed. I'm not sure what his problem is. All I know is that this has helped a few others. It's like quitting smoking, hard but it can be done with a lot of mental work. Not only mental work but reading lables and learning all forms of dairy in the lables. She bought bread that had no dairy. She likes white bread and found that many of the breads on the market use a form of dairy in their recipe. I love to see her pain free from her arthitis. She does have other problems like migraine headaches that become dibilitating. I've also heard of other food allergies, like wheat and corn are big ones. I have to admit I'm glad my message was posted. I've been to moderated groups before and have had some of my posts not posted ;>) Anything that helps one person is worth the posting. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hi Dodge, Thank you for responding. I know this is a hot topic because there are all kinds of so called cures for everything. It becomes overwhelming to think about the different change of life styles and alternates that are presented. I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything here. I'm just presenting the true story of my friend and a few others who have tried this. I know that my friend ~was~ diagnosed with RA. Her RA Dr. told her the only thing that diet does is to take some weight off so the joints have less stress. For her, going dairy free allows her to live pain free....until she starts eating too much dairy again. The pain starts and she has to cut the dairy out of her diet again. Once she does that she's pain free again. I also know that the 3 out of 5 people who had results with were recently diagnosed so the damage on the joints wasn't advanced. The 2 others suffered for many years and the damage to the joints was more extensive. My friend's mother was one of the people who diary free helped lessened the pain but did not give her pain free results. She also had a different form of arthritis. The other man who didn't see any results, not even a relief from pain, also had a different form of arthritis and was suffering for many years. Another factor is we both know personally the 2 people who didn't show results from this and both were ~not~ diagnosed with RA. They did try though. I have some honest questions for you concerning the medical field. Do you think the medical field has the " prescribed " treatment and not giving that prescribed treatment may cause a problem for the Dr.'s? Do Dr.'s make money off of prescribing drugs? Do patients prefer a pill to a change of lifestyle for the most part? With that premise in mind would a Dr. go that way so that immediate results are shown? I don't know too much about the medical field. I've heard about Dr.s making money off of prescriptions but I don't know if it's true or just a story. All I know is that going dairy free gave 3 people their lives back. It may not help everyone but the 2 women it helped ~were~ diagnosed with RA and had psoriasis. One of them noticed that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. That is what prompted her to give it a try. When she did give up dairy she accidentally licked the spoon after making macaroni and cheese for her father and had an immediate reaction from that. I don't recall exactly what the reaction was but it was something like her lips or tongue swelled. This woman worked with my sister and my sister knew of my friend's results. Her pain came on fast. She couldn't work and her job was in jeapordy. She couldn't even hold her sister's new born. As she continued being dairy free she found herself running up stairs one day and realized how far she had come. It takes time to rid your system of dairy. I never met the man who gave up dairy and told my friend's brother " you saved my life " when he gave up dairy and saw him again after many months. I guess the bottom line of this is that it takes hard work to give up dairy from your diet. If someone tries this for ~more~ than a few months and it shows results they are winners. If they try it for more than a few months and it doesn't help then they lost nothing (except maybe a few pounds) for trying. Another thing that keeps sticking in my mind is that we are the only animal on this planet that drinks another animals milk and drinks it long after weaning. Oh, one more thing. Any cheese can be substituted in place of cheese made from cow's milk. Goat cheese is an example although I wouldn't have any form of milk or cheese while trying to cleanse the system from dairy. I keep writing in hopes that one person will give this a try and become pain free from RA. Other problems may still exist but I know it has helped others. It may help more. Marilyn > > Hi Marilyn: > > I'm glad this worked for your friend. Unfortunately for me, I have heard of, and tried, several different diets, antibiotics, guai protocols, and other things including alternative remedies that are supposed to help or cure my arthritis, Lupus and Fibro. The only thing that has helped me are narcotics, fish oil, shark cartilage, pred and an enzyme I can't at the moment remember. > > Now please don't think I am saying that the whole diet thing is a sham. I don't believe it is. I have seen it work on many people. However, I have to wonder if, in fact, those people really had RA/AS/Lupus/Fibro to begin with. Food allergies can mimmic many different diseases, one being arthritis. So, I can't help but wonder if the person was perhaps misdiagnosed, had an allergy all along that presented with symptoms of arthritis and was then cured when the allergy was removed. Or, another possibility, is they have very mild arthritis that ordinarily wouldn't give them trouble, due to the allergy the symptoms became severe and then were greatly lessened once the allergy is taken care of. > > I am forced into thinking this way because there have been many studies done by different organizations and groups on arthritis, lupus, fibro, et al. and some of those studies involve diet. I am a medical professional, so I am pretty cynical regarding the health care community, but I am not so cynical as to believe that doctors would keep millions in the dark if all that was required was a change in diet. > > At any rate, I'm glad that your friend is doing much better. It's a good thing she had her brother tell her his thoughts, isn't it? > > -- > Dodge > > " I make the living, my dog makes the living worthwhile. " > > Read my blog at: > http://jumpthis.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I have to agree with Dodge. I went on the gluten free, dairy free diet when I was diagnosed with Hashi's and stayed on it for nearly a year and half. It did not reduce my symptoms. My herbalist kept saying " a little while longer.just wait.it will work. " But nothing ever happened, not even weight loss. I slowly reintroduced gluten/dairy food back into my diet with no changes. On the other side, my sister-in-law has Fibro and does very well on her raw food diet. She swears on the gluten free/dairy free way of life. I just don't think food allergies are what triggers my RA flares. I think mine is more stress related. So my suggestion is to try the diet for a couple of months, see how you feel. It certainly can't hurt you and once you get into the groove, it's pretty easy to keep up. There are so many dairy free products out there. Almond milk is easy to make. And rice flour can be put in to almost anything wheat flour can and you really can't tell the difference. (I have a killer brownie recipe!) My herbalist said the same thing you did about milk. We are the only species that continues to drink milk after weaning, and from a different animal! She says only baby cows should drink cow milk and goat milk is actually closer to human milk. G. Nashville, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I agree with you that with a food allergy it could help. It works for some so it's worth the effort to try. You may have inspired some to try. Marilyn --- In , " ldydewinter " <ldydewinter@...> wrote: > > I have to agree with Dodge. I went on the gluten free, dairy free diet when > I was diagnosed with Hashi's and stayed on it for nearly a year and half. > It did not reduce my symptoms. My herbalist kept saying " a little while > longer.just wait.it will work. " But nothing ever happened, not even weight > loss. I slowly reintroduced gluten/dairy food back into my diet with no > changes. On the other side, my sister-in-law has Fibro and does very well > on her raw food diet. She swears on the gluten free/dairy free way of life. > I just don't think food allergies are what triggers my RA flares. I think > mine is more stress related. So my suggestion is to try the diet for a > couple of months, see how you feel. It certainly can't hurt you and once > you get into the groove, it's pretty easy to keep up. There are so many > dairy free products out there. Almond milk is easy to make. And rice flour > can be put in to almost anything wheat flour can and you really can't tell > the difference. (I have a killer brownie recipe!) My herbalist said the > same thing you did about milk. We are the only species that continues to > drink milk after weaning, and from a different animal! She says only baby > cows should drink cow milk and goat milk is actually closer to human milk. > > G. > > Nashville, TN > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Care to share that killer brownie recipe? My mother always said it didn't hurt to ask. Here's hoping... in PA -------------- Original message -------------- From: " ldydewinter " <ldydewinter@...> I have to agree with Dodge. I went on the gluten free, dairy free diet when I was diagnosed with Hashi's and stayed on it for nearly a year and half. It did not reduce my symptoms. My herbalist kept saying " a little while longer.just wait.it will work. " But nothing ever happened, not even weight loss. I slowly reintroduced gluten/dairy food back into my diet with no changes. On the other side, my sister-in-law has Fibro and does very well on her raw food diet. She swears on the gluten free/dairy free way of life. I just don't think food allergies are what triggers my RA flares. I think mine is more stress related. So my suggestion is to try the diet for a couple of months, see how you feel. It certainly can't hurt you and once you get into the groove, it's pretty easy to keep up. There are so many dairy free products out there. Almond milk is easy to make. And rice flour can be put in to almost anything wheat flour can and you really can't tell the difference. (I have a killer brownie recipe!) My herbalist said the same thing you did about milk. We are the only species that continues to drink milk after weaning, and from a different animal! She says only baby cows should drink cow milk and goat milk is actually closer to human milk. G. Nashville, TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hi Marilyn, I read your story and I appreciate you telling it. I just know for myself that I could not keep up a dairy free diet. I will say that in my doctor's defense, I was on remicade, came off due to complications (not bashing the drug, I know a few people who do very well on it), my doctor and I discussed Orencia (which he would make a nice penny on, just like the remicade) but he felt that we should just stay on the mtx for a while and see how that goes. I thought more of him for that, I've only been with him since June but I'm liking him. in PA -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Marilyn " <mothertime2001@...> Hi Dodge, Thank you for responding. I know this is a hot topic because there are all kinds of so called cures for everything. It becomes overwhelming to think about the different change of life styles and alternates that are presented. I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything here. I'm just presenting the true story of my friend and a few others who have tried this. I know that my friend ~was~ diagnosed with RA. Her RA Dr. told her the only thing that diet does is to take some weight off so the joints have less stress. For her, going dairy free allows her to live pain free....until she starts eating too much dairy again. The pain starts and she has to cut the dairy out of her diet again. Once she does that she's pain free again. I also know that the 3 out of 5 people who had results with were recently diagnosed so the damage on the joints wasn't advanced. The 2 others suffered for many years and the damage to the joints was more extensive. My friend's mother was one of the people who diary free helped lessened the pain but did not give her pain free results. She also had a different form of arthritis. The other man who didn't see any results, not even a relief from pain, also had a different form of arthritis and was suffering for many years. Another factor is we both know personally the 2 people who didn't show results from this and both were ~not~ diagnosed with RA. They did try though. I have some honest questions for you concerning the medical field. Do you think the medical field has the " prescribed " treatment and not giving that prescribed treatment may cause a problem for the Dr.'s? Do Dr.'s make money off of prescribing drugs? Do patients prefer a pill to a change of lifestyle for the most part? With that premise in mind would a Dr. go that way so that immediate results are shown? I don't know too much about the medical field. I've heard about Dr.s making money off of prescriptions but I don't know if it's true or just a story. All I know is that going dairy free gave 3 people their lives back. It may not help everyone but the 2 women it helped ~were~ diagnosed with RA and had psoriasis. One of them noticed that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. That is what prompted her to give it a try. When she did give up dairy she accidentally licked the spoon after making macaroni and cheese for her father and had an immediate reaction from that. I don't recall exactly what the reaction was but it was something like her lips or tongue swelled. This woman worked with my sister and my sister knew of my friend's results. Her pain came on fast. She couldn't work and her job was in jeapordy. She couldn't even hold her sister's new born. As she continued being dairy free she found herself running up stairs one day and realized how far she had come. It takes time to rid your system of dairy. I never met the man who gave up dairy and told my friend's brother " you saved my life " when he gave up dairy and saw him again after many months. I guess the bottom line of this is that it takes hard work to give up dairy from your diet. If someone tries this for ~more~ than a few months and it shows results they are winners. If they try it for more than a few months and it doesn't help then they lost nothing (except maybe a few pounds) for trying. Another thing that keeps sticking in my mind is that we are the only animal on this planet that drinks another animals milk and drinks it long after weaning. Oh, one more thing. Any cheese can be substituted in place of cheese made from cow's milk. Goat cheese is an example although I wouldn't have any form of milk or cheese while trying to cleanse the system from dairy. I keep writing in hopes that one person will give this a try and become pain free from RA. Other problems may still exist but I know it has helped others. It may help more. Marilyn > > Hi Marilyn: > > I'm glad this worked for your friend. Unfortunately for me, I have heard of, and tried, several different diets, antibiotics, guai protocols, and other things including alternative remedies that are supposed to help or cure my arthritis, Lupus and Fibro. The only thing that has helped me are narcotics, fish oil, shark cartilage, pred and an enzyme I can't at the moment remember. > > Now please don't think I am saying that the whole diet thing is a sham. I don't believe it is. I have seen it work on many people. However, I have to wonder if, in fact, those people really had RA/AS/Lupus/Fibro to begin with. Food allergies can mimmic many different diseases, one being arthritis. So, I can't help but wonder if the person was perhaps misdiagnosed, had an allergy all along that presented with symptoms of arthritis and was then cured when the allergy was removed. Or, another possibility, is they have very mild arthritis that ordinarily wouldn't give them trouble, due to the allergy the symptoms became severe and then were greatly lessened once the allergy is taken care of. > > I am forced into thinking this way because there have been many studies done by different organizations and groups on arthritis, lupus, fibro, et al. and some of those studies involve diet. I am a medical professional, so I am pretty cynical regarding the health care community, but I am not so cynical as to believe that doctors would keep millions in the dark if all that was required was a change in diet. > > At any rate, I'm glad that your friend is doing much better. It's a good thing she had her brother tell her his thoughts, isn't it? > > -- > Dodge > > " I make the living, my dog makes the living worthwhile. " > > Read my blog at: > http://jumpthis.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Hi Marilyn Thanks for the suggestion. When I was first diagnosed, my nutritionist suggested I try a complete sugar and yeast free diet. Sugar is bad for inflammation she told me. After trying it for several months (maybe I should have stuck with it :-)) I found it didn't really help me. Mine flares up when I am stressed..... --- In , " Marilyn " <mothertime2001@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Marilyn. My very good friend and neighbor was diagnosed > with RA about 15 years ago. She went from being very mobile to being > in severe pain, it seemed like it was overnight. I saw it in her > walk and in her face. > > The last time I told this story my motives were misconstrued. That's > too bad because the only money and work it takes is on the sufferer > of RA. Saves money and takes VERY hard work. > > Anyway let me continue. My friend's brother is a very smart man. > He's an attorney who likes to study alternative medicine. He told > his sister that he thought, based upon their family history of > arthritis, there is a food allergy in the family. The food....dairy. > Dairy is what comes from the cow, not eggs or mayonnaise. He > suggested that she give up all dairy and cleanse her system of dairy > which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells take a long time to > clean out so she would have to stay ~completely~ dairy free for a > long time. > > My friend who respects her brother's opinion thought that she would > try it. It turned out to be one of the hardest things she ever did > because forms of dairy are in all kinds of foods. > > Onward....she kept dairy from her diet for months. The pain lessened > and lessened. She was free from dairy for about 9 months and still > had some pain in her foot. She spoke to her brother about this and > he reviewed her diet. She was eating a hamburger for lunch every > day. He suggested she stop the beef every day. She did and became > pain free. > > To this day she is pain free unless she starts to saturate her > system with dairy or beef again. She knows, by her pain, when she is > taking her diet for granted. > > I witnessed this. > > My sister had a friend who was overcome with pain from RA at an > early age. She suggested to her friend to contact my friend. She in > turn gave up dairy. She is pain free. > > A man in a deli was talking about his pain from RA. My friends > brother told him about his sister. Many months later this man saw my > friends brother again and said to him " you saved my life. " He gave > up dairy. > > My friends mother suffered from a different form of arthritis and > had it for many years. She found some relief by giving up dairy from > her diet but her arthritis was too far advanced for her to become > pain free. > > This is not about having a little butter on your bread, it's about > giving up all dairy. Reading labels. Dairy is also in margarine so > be careful when substituting margarine for butter. > > My friend can now have dairy occasionally. I don't know about the > other 2 people who were helped by this. > > If giving up dairy helps one person here it's worth every word I've > written. > > My friend also had psoriasis. When she gave up dairy her psoriasis > went away. My sister's friend was encouraged by the story because > she realized that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. I > don't know about the man in the deli. > > Not one part of giving up dairy is easy. It takes hard work and a > change of diet that is never easy. > > Hope this encourages someone to look carefully at their diet to see > if dairy is a big part of their diet. Maybe this can help someone. > > One more thing about the subject of dairy. We are the only species > to drink another animals milk. Not only that, we are the only > species who continue to drink milk after weaning. Just something to > think about.... > > Marilyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Cheryl, Is it possible for you to reduce the stressors in your life? That made me flare really bad...I was soo stubborn and stupid when first diagnosis. I continued to work 50-60 hrs a week in a factory standing on my feet with a 2 hr round trip commute. Running on 4-6 hrs sleep. Never seeing my kids except for 20 mins in the morning when I drove them to school half asleep. I took medical leave and used my short term disability from my job. My immediate high pain levels dropped. The longer I stayed away from my job....the better I felt until it was time to pay the bills! I quit that job it was making me physically ill after 4 yrs of refusing to see the handwriting on the wall. I also addressed other issues I had such has sleep issues. I am on a very strict sleep schedule. So I do sleep at night without sleeping meds. I was considered morbidly obese, I had lapband surgery, lost 100lbs but the change in diet itself has given me as long as 9 month remissions. I am sure the loss of weight has made a big difference too. As far as meds are concerned. You are not on a Biologic DMARD such has Humira, Enbrel Remicaid. That would be the next step...either you would self inject at home or go into an infusion center for IV medication and set intervals. I have no personal experience with the IV meds as I have never taken them. I have taken all the self injectables except for Kineret. With mixed feelings about them. Humira worked the best...but I am allergic to the preservative in the medicine...Enbrel did not work as well....I had some reactions to it...not nearly as severe as it was with Humira. I have been on Arava, plaquinil, MTX injections and pills. Arava was my first DMARD it worked well for about a year. Then I got switch to MTX pills made me so sick I wanted to just die! They switched me to injections...same deal. But I got a very serious side effect with my lungs and I had to stop it. Plaquinil never really did anything for me. I would say try antibiotic therapy. I tried it but could not tolerate the med...tore my stomach up. But many swear by it and have been on it for years. Toni **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I was just walking with my friend yesterday. I told her that for some reason I was compelled to tell her story. She mentioned that her knees were hurting but she realizes that during her vaction she was eating dairy because everyone else was. Now she's feeling the pain. She knows that if she controls her diet her pain will go away. I find this so encouraging. All I can do is to just keep mentioning it in case someone wants to try this. There are no " cure all's " for anything but if this helps one person it's worth the time spent here. Marilyn > > > > Hi, > > > > My name is Marilyn. My very good friend and neighbor was diagnosed > > with RA about 15 years ago. She went from being very mobile to > being > > in severe pain, it seemed like it was overnight. I saw it in her > > walk and in her face. > > > > The last time I told this story my motives were misconstrued. > That's > > too bad because the only money and work it takes is on the sufferer > > of RA. Saves money and takes VERY hard work. > > > > Anyway let me continue. My friend's brother is a very smart man. > > He's an attorney who likes to study alternative medicine. He told > > his sister that he thought, based upon their family history of > > arthritis, there is a food allergy in the family. The > food....dairy. > > Dairy is what comes from the cow, not eggs or mayonnaise. He > > suggested that she give up all dairy and cleanse her system of > dairy > > which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells take a long time to > > clean out so she would have to stay ~completely~ dairy free for a > > long time. > > > > My friend who respects her brother's opinion thought that she would > > try it. It turned out to be one of the hardest things she ever did > > because forms of dairy are in all kinds of foods. > > > > Onward....she kept dairy from her diet for months. The pain > lessened > > and lessened. She was free from dairy for about 9 months and still > > had some pain in her foot. She spoke to her brother about this and > > he reviewed her diet. She was eating a hamburger for lunch every > > day. He suggested she stop the beef every day. She did and became > > pain free. > > > > To this day she is pain free unless she starts to saturate her > > system with dairy or beef again. She knows, by her pain, when she > is > > taking her diet for granted. > > > > I witnessed this. > > > > My sister had a friend who was overcome with pain from RA at an > > early age. She suggested to her friend to contact my friend. She in > > turn gave up dairy. She is pain free. > > > > A man in a deli was talking about his pain from RA. My friends > > brother told him about his sister. Many months later this man saw > my > > friends brother again and said to him " you saved my life. " He gave > > up dairy. > > > > My friends mother suffered from a different form of arthritis and > > had it for many years. She found some relief by giving up dairy > from > > her diet but her arthritis was too far advanced for her to become > > pain free. > > > > This is not about having a little butter on your bread, it's about > > giving up all dairy. Reading labels. Dairy is also in margarine so > > be careful when substituting margarine for butter. > > > > My friend can now have dairy occasionally. I don't know about the > > other 2 people who were helped by this. > > > > If giving up dairy helps one person here it's worth every word I've > > written. > > > > My friend also had psoriasis. When she gave up dairy her psoriasis > > went away. My sister's friend was encouraged by the story because > > she realized that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. I > > don't know about the man in the deli. > > > > Not one part of giving up dairy is easy. It takes hard work and a > > change of diet that is never easy. > > > > Hope this encourages someone to look carefully at their diet to see > > if dairy is a big part of their diet. Maybe this can help someone. > > > > One more thing about the subject of dairy. We are the only species > > to drink another animals milk. Not only that, we are the only > > species who continue to drink milk after weaning. Just something to > > think about.... > > > > Marilyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Interesting, I have RA, and when I was born I was allegic to cows milk, so they gave me goats milk. I no longer have an allergy to milk, but I do not really care for it. I do believe that the human is the only species that continues to drink milk through their life, as other species are wiened off at a young age. Jean From: cheryl.dines <cheryl.dines@...> Subject: [ ] Re: A story to tell Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 11:19 PM Hi Marilyn Thanks for the suggestion. When I was first diagnosed, my nutritionist suggested I try a complete sugar and yeast free diet. Sugar is bad for inflammation she told me. After trying it for several months (maybe I should have stuck with it :-)) I found it didn't really help me. Mine flares up when I am stressed.... . --- In @gro ups.com, " Marilyn " <mothertime2001@ ...> wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Marilyn. My very good friend and neighbor was diagnosed > with RA about 15 years ago. She went from being very mobile to being > in severe pain, it seemed like it was overnight. I saw it in her > walk and in her face. > > The last time I told this story my motives were misconstrued. That's > too bad because the only money and work it takes is on the sufferer > of RA. Saves money and takes VERY hard work. > > Anyway let me continue. My friend's brother is a very smart man. > He's an attorney who likes to study alternative medicine. He told > his sister that he thought, based upon their family history of > arthritis, there is a food allergy in the family. The food....dairy. > Dairy is what comes from the cow, not eggs or mayonnaise. He > suggested that she give up all dairy and cleanse her system of dairy > which is stored in the fat cells. The fat cells take a long time to > clean out so she would have to stay ~completely~ dairy free for a > long time. > > My friend who respects her brother's opinion thought that she would > try it. It turned out to be one of the hardest things she ever did > because forms of dairy are in all kinds of foods. > > Onward....she kept dairy from her diet for months. The pain lessened > and lessened. She was free from dairy for about 9 months and still > had some pain in her foot. She spoke to her brother about this and > he reviewed her diet. She was eating a hamburger for lunch every > day. He suggested she stop the beef every day. She did and became > pain free. > > To this day she is pain free unless she starts to saturate her > system with dairy or beef again. She knows, by her pain, when she is > taking her diet for granted. > > I witnessed this. > > My sister had a friend who was overcome with pain from RA at an > early age. She suggested to her friend to contact my friend. She in > turn gave up dairy. She is pain free. > > A man in a deli was talking about his pain from RA. My friends > brother told him about his sister. Many months later this man saw my > friends brother again and said to him " you saved my life. " He gave > up dairy. > > My friends mother suffered from a different form of arthritis and > had it for many years. She found some relief by giving up dairy from > her diet but her arthritis was too far advanced for her to become > pain free. > > This is not about having a little butter on your bread, it's about > giving up all dairy. Reading labels. Dairy is also in margarine so > be careful when substituting margarine for butter. > > My friend can now have dairy occasionally. I don't know about the > other 2 people who were helped by this. > > If giving up dairy helps one person here it's worth every word I've > written. > > My friend also had psoriasis. When she gave up dairy her psoriasis > went away. My sister's friend was encouraged by the story because > she realized that when she ate cheese her psoriasis got worse. I > don't know about the man in the deli. > > Not one part of giving up dairy is easy. It takes hard work and a > change of diet that is never easy. > > Hope this encourages someone to look carefully at their diet to see > if dairy is a big part of their diet. Maybe this can help someone. > > One more thing about the subject of dairy. We are the only species > to drink another animals milk. Not only that, we are the only > species who continue to drink milk after weaning. Just something to > think about.... > > Marilyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nettleton " <pebonejosh@...> > I do believe that the human is the only species that continues to drink > milk through their life, as other species are wiened off at a >young age. I see people say this all the time. We're also the only species who cooks their meat, and eat fruits/veggies out of their natural growing season/out of their natural growing habitat. I'm not sure the fact " we're the only ones " is enough to condemn a practice on it's own. I certainly think people ought to try seeing if changing a diet will help, but it doesn't make a difference for me with my fibro. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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