weight loss

[Guest guest]

Excessive, unexplained weight loss could be a symptom of thyroid problems, a

family member of mine has had this from hyperthyroid conditions, which also

can be autoimmune disease. If your doctors have not checked out this

possibility, you should ask to have your thyroid checked, especially if you

are having other symptoms like a feeling of your heart pounding or racing,

or dizziness. It can also result from bowel inflammation. My weight went

down to 90 lbs when my IBS was at it's worst. I am sure there are other

possibilities as well. Please bug your doctors until they find the cause and

an effective treatment. The end results of some of these conditions are not

pretty if they are just allowed to go on untreated. I lost a lot of weight

at times in my life, and got so weak and tired from it, and I can't tell

you how many times I was brushed off with a " cute " comment like, " Oh, so

many of my female patients would love to have this problem, ha, ha!, eat

lots of milkshakes and snacks. " before I found out how serious it could be.

I am not a litigious person, generally, but any doctor that would dare to

say that to me now without at least running some tests would be in for a big

malpractice suit! I hope you will both feel better soon! Don't let them

brush it off with just diet suggestions! Sincerely, Liz G

[Guest guest]

So do I. Right now I'm on a very strict diet of salad and fish or

chicken. No bread, only 2 fruits per day and no sweets. I'm having to

do this because of my triglycerides/cholesterol are really high. I had

another blood test after being on this diet for 4 weeks and my trig are

down considerable, confirming that it was my diet and not a physical

thing. However, I've lost 20 pounds and I'm really glad because my

daughter is getting married in September and I don't mind having

pictures made now.

Judy in SC

RA 42 yrs, Fibro 17 yrs, AP 2 yrs

Matkate@... wrote:

>

> From: Matkate@...

>

> All this talk of weight loss is making me hungry I have the opposite

> problem!

>

> blessings,,

>

> Terri

>

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[Guest guest]

From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

Hello all,

Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For the

umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too tiny (

this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I cannot gain

while on the antibioitics for some reason.

I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so sore

and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy at

work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below the elbow

has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can anything I

can but still stay small.

Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my knees

and sore feet.

Thanks so much!

C

[Guest guest]

My thighs got really skinny and so did my forearms this past Spring and

Summer. Dr. Brown talks about that in his book. When the inflammation is

raging, then the collagen supporting the muscle cells is weakened. The

muscle fibers aren't affected, so that once the inflammation is brought

under control, the muscle strength returns. Only if these inflammatory

toxins are arrested does the collagen have a chance to regenerate. The

muscle fibers automatically fill out because a lot of the thinness is due to

the loss of connective tissue. Ra is a problem of the connective tissues,

thus the reason for your problem and my problem this past Spring and summer.

Fortunately, now that my inflammation has subsided, I am regaining strength.

You'll be able to tell very quickly. When I was really inflamed, my legs

were so weak, I couldn't even stand up from a chair without pulling on

things.

So the key is to control the inflammation. How? Well, good question.

Perhaps microdose Prednisone? Different Nsaid? Change your dosage level of

minocycline? Take some small doses of metho? That's where your doctor needs

to help you. It seems that different things work for different folks.

Mark

(enjoying a pill free day for a change - kind of like a smoke-free day, ya

know?)

http://Mark_Holmes.tripod.com

RA 4/98 AP 7/98

Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day MWF;Methotrexate (10mg/once

weekly); folic acid (1 mg/day); Lodine 400mg 3x/day;Zone Diet;Fish Oil(9

caps/day);acidopholus;Milk Thistle;MSM (2G/day)

RA Chat - http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

ICQ 18123139

rheumatic weight loss

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hello all,

> Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For the

> umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too tiny (

> this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I cannot

gain

> while on the antibioitics for some reason.

> I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so sore

> and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy at

> work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

> My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below the

elbow

> has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

> someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can anything I

> can but still stay small.

> Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

> muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my knees

> and sore feet.

> Thanks so much!

> C

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi :

You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as much

food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is the

cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the disease

itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I have

no idea what the real reason is.

Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

Harry

Hi :

You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as much

food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is the

cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the disease

itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I have

no idea what the real reason is.

Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

Harry

[Guest guest]

Well...I WISH I had your problem... ... the steroids I am taking have me

gaining....

Tony

> rheumatic weight loss

>

>

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hello all,

> Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For the

> umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too tiny (

> this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I

> cannot gain

> while on the antibioitics for some reason.

> I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so sore

> and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy at

> work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

> My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below

> the elbow

> has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

> someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can anything I

> can but still stay small.

> Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

> muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my knees

> and sore feet.

> Thanks so much!

> C

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes , I have had the same thing happen . Am now trying to gain weight

but I dont think I will be able to without adding back some dairy and

sweet stuff which I dont want to do. I've been trying to eat lots ,

increase protein ,eat avocadoes, nuts etc etc but still seem to lose

weight.

Barbara

M Carroll wrote:

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hello all,

> Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For

> the

> umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too

> tiny (

> this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I cannot

> gain

> while on the antibioitics for some reason.

> I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so

> sore

> and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy

> at

> work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

> My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below the

> elbow

> has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

>

> someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can

> anything I

> can but still stay small.

> Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

> muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my

> knees

> and sore feet.

> Thanks so much!

> C

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started losing weight about the time I started having symptoms of RA. I

have never been overweight and losing just 12 lbs over the last 8 months has

made a big difference. That was one of the things that concerned my husband the

most before we knew what this was. I find it very hard to eat more than small

amounts at a time so I eat

probably 6 times a day to get enough food. I have stabalized but haven't been

able to gain any of my weight back. I seem to have lost all desire for sweets

so thats no help. So while it looks like I'm constantly eating its small

amounts every few hours just to keep up. I think my joints sticking out makes

it look worse especially at my wrists and ankles. I am trying to develop a menu

that isnt just fattening but will help retain what muscle I have since like

you, other than work I don't have the energy or pain threshold to exercise

much. Some would say that too thin isn't a bad problem to have but personally

I'm sick of being frail. I haven't heard of your protein diet, maybe you could

let me know what that is. Best of luck to you. T.

M Carroll wrote:

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hello all,

> Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For the

> umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too tiny (

> this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I cannot gain

> while on the antibioitics for some reason.

> I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so sore

> and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy at

> work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

> My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below the elbow

> has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

> someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can anything I

> can but still stay small.

> Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

> muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my knees

> and sore feet.

> Thanks so much!

> C

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you smoke, quit, you will gain weight. I have always been skinny too

skinny. I quit smoking 1 1/2 years ago and I am 15 pounds heavyer now then I

was. I was 105 and now I'm 120. Almost too much when your 5'2 and small

framed. I don't eat anymore now then I used too.

I have been on the AP for about a year and it doesn't seem to effect my

weight.

As far as muscle tone, just basic yoga stretches can build your muscle tone

back up. If you don't use it you lose it. Good Luck. Diane

[Guest guest]

Group, I am one of the ones with a very big weight loss and having trouble

putting it back on. My doctor says it is probably a result of malabsorption

which can be caused by having an acidic system. We must keep our PH balanced

in order to keep or gain weight. I am waiting for a test of some kind for

malabsorption to see if she is right or not. Apparently we need to make sure

that our mineral intake is adequate, also. HTH Carol/Piney/Canada

dermatomyositis Oct 94

ap june98

Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

>Hi :

>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>

>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as

much

>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is

the

>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

disease

>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>

>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I

have

>no idea what the real reason is.

>

>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>

>Harry

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Those of you in this group experiencing unexplained weight loss need to

check first for candida and leaky gut. The usual stool test for candida

can miss it by a country mile.

If you have leaky gut, you should take digestive enzymes with your

meals. I recommend them even if you don't have a problem. My favorite

is Super Enzyme Caps by Twin Labs. It also has the necessary betaine

hydrochloride so many of us are low in.

Ethel

Dr. Weg and Dr. find candida in every patient that comes for this

therapy. Dr. treats it concurrently with the AP while Dr. Weg

tends to treat the candida first.

Another probable cause of weight loss is parasites or other organisms.

410@... wrote:

>

> Hi :

> You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>

> At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

> developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

> dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as much

> food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

> losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

> (Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is the

> cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

> weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

> It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the disease

> itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>

> An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

> somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I have

> no idea what the real reason is.

>

> Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>

> Harry

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Subject: Re: rheumatic weight loss

> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:04:31 EDT

> From: 410@...

> LCARROLL@...

>

> Hi :

> You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>

> At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

> developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

> dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as much

> food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

> losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

> (Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is the

> cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

> weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

> It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the disease

> itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>

> An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

> somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I have

> no idea what the real reason is.

>

> Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>

> Harry

[Guest guest]

I have been told that a lack of stomach acid can cause malabsorption of

minerals. I believe digestive enzymes can help if this is, in fact, the

problem.

Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

>

>

>>Hi :

>>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>>

>>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

>>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

>>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as

>much

>>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

>>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

>>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is

>the

>>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

>>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

>>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

>disease

>>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>>

>>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

>>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I

>have

>>no idea what the real reason is.

>>

>>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>>

>>Harry

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi, and group,

I get a little worried when we diagnose our own weight loss, especially if

it's a new situation. Weight loss definitely accompanies the systemic

inflammatory diseases, but if it seems to be a result of the treatment for

the disease, I think something is amiss.

I think any time you are losing weight and can't reverse it on your own, you

need to talk to your doctor. It could be an indication of hypothyroidism or

diabetes, or some other situation which should be treated.

I have had trouble maintaining my weight while having arthritis, but have

actually gained 5 pounds in the 2 months I have been on antibiotics (I

needed to). I have had a devil of a time rebuilding my muscle strength, and

know that the weight loss was largely muscle loss. I believe most of my

problem was due to a combination of joint inflammation and gut irritation or

inflammation from the old NSAIDs. But I did not accept these explanations

until I had some of the other most obvious possibilities ruled out.

I would urge anyone who has had a new weight loss to at least discuss it

with their doctors. Loss of muscle mass is a big problem with the rheumatic

diseases, and if that is the cause, research has shown that a carefully

designed exercise program can help to regain some of the loss, and prevent

further disability.

I know not everyone is able to get physical therapy because of the horrible

health insurance situation we have in the US, but if you have access to it,

it is an important adjunct treatment. I pay for my own, because it is

cheaper than losing my ability to work.

Jean

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>From: " Ken and " <kglg@...>

> " rheumatic " <rheumaticonelist>

>Subject: Re: rheumatic weight loss

>Date: Sat, Oct 30, 1999, 7:58 AM

>

> From: " Ken and " <kglg@...>

>

> I have been told that a lack of stomach acid can cause malabsorption of

> minerals. I believe digestive enzymes can help if this is, in fact, the

> problem.

>

>

> Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

>>

>>

>>>Hi :

>>>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>>>

>>>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

>>>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

>>>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as

>>much

>>>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

>>>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

>>>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is

>>the

>>>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

>>>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my diet.

>>>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

>>disease

>>>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>>>

>>>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

>>>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I

>>have

>>>no idea what the real reason is.

>>>

>>>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>>>

>>>Harry

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Well said Elbows. IMHO, you are right on the money.

Mark

Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

> >>

> >>

> >>>Hi :

> >>>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the

antibiotics.

> >>>

> >>>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

> >>>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight

had

> >>>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again

as

> >>much

> >>>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I

stopped

> >>>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the

hydrocortisone

> >>>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it

is

> >>the

> >>>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed

the

> >>>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my

diet.

> >>>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

> >>disease

> >>>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

> >>>

> >>>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

> >>>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point

I

> >>have

> >>>no idea what the real reason is.

> >>>

> >>>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

> >>>

> >>>Harry

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mark. I should have written HYPERthyroidism, not hypo.

Jean

----------

>From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)

><rheumaticonelist>

>Subject: Re: rheumatic weight loss

>Date: Sat, Oct 30, 1999, 10:04 AM

>

> From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)

>

> Well said Elbows. IMHO, you are right on the money.

>

> Mark

> Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>>Hi :

>> >>>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the

> antibiotics.

>> >>>

>> >>>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

>> >>>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight

> had

>> >>>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again

> as

>> >>much

>> >>>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I

> stopped

>> >>>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the

> hydrocortisone

>> >>>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it

> is

>> >>the

>> >>>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed

> the

>> >>>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my

> diet.

>> >>>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

>> >>disease

>> >>>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>> >>>

>> >>>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

>> >>>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point

> I

>> >>have

>> >>>no idea what the real reason is.

>> >>>

>> >>>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>> >>>

>> >>>Harry

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >>>

>> >

>> > >

>>

>>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I take HCL Betaine as well as digestive enzymes. Have been taking the

enzymes for two years. Started the HCL again about 2 months ago. Yesterday I

ate like a horse. Hope it keeps up. First time since at least 2 years that I

actually felt like eating. Carol

Fwd: rheumatic weight loss

>>

>>

>>>Hi :

>>>You asked if anyone had experienced weight loss while on the antibiotics.

>>>

>>>At 6 ft. and 160 pounds, I was slightly underweight 6 months ago when I

>>>developed RA. After about a month of the onset of the RA, my weight had

>>>dropped to 147. This happened while I was eating at least half again as

>>much

>>>food as normal. I am now eating even more with the result that I stopped

>>>losing weight, but can't seem to increase. I realize the hydrocortisone

>>>(Cortef) is responsible for the enormous appetite, but I wonder if it is

>>the

>>>cause of the weight loss. One of my doctors said no, and attributed the

>>>weight loss to the complete elimination of sugar in any form from my

diet.

>>>It seems like I read somewhere that the weight loss is caused by the

>>disease

>>>itself, and the weight would return after the RA is in remission.

>>>

>>>An unexplained weight loss is often a signal that cancer is present

>>>somewhere. Two of my doctors said no when I asked. So, at this point I

>>have

>>>no idea what the real reason is.

>>>

>>>Maybe someone in the group has been down this road.

>>>

>>>Harry

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Yes I had the same problem, try taking enzymes from local health store--they

help you make use of your food. I am now gaining weight and muscle and don't

look as " thin " .

L

In a message dated 10/28/1999 6:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

LCARROLL@... writes:

<< Hello all,

Have any of you experienced weight loss while on the antibioitics? For the

umpteenth time over the past few months I have heard that I was too tiny (

this time it was from my denttist) and I need to gain weight. I cannot gain

while on the antibioitics for some reason.

I have lost almost all of my muscle tone since doxi as I have been so sore

and literally useless except to work. I do stay very active and busy at

work so I figure it may be revving up the metabolism.

My arms are soooooo skinny and the area above my wrist and below the elbow

has no fat or muscle which I guess really leaves a bad impression when

someone sees me. I look anorexic. I am eating as much as I can anything I

can but still stay small.

Does anyone have any suggestions on gaining weight or how to build up

muscle? I can't walk or work out with weights or bike because of my knees

and sore feet.

Thanks so much!

C >>

[Guest guest]

Sally Fallon and Enig have a book called " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " that

is on weight management/loss from a WAPF/NT perspective. It is similar

to Atkins, just with lots of fat, especially coconut oil, but

definitely aims at carb, especially grain carb and sugar, reduction.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I belong to a really friendly group called lowcarbhighfat I

wasn't that comfortable on Atkins either but once I understood that

fat was the missing link, I mean 70-80% daily (per Fitday.com) that I

could really grasp how a low carb diet works and why it works.

Anyway, I've lost 17 pounds since mid December.

The group has plenty of people who are doing the Eat Fat Lose Fat

approach and plenty of talk and understanding about things like raw

milk, coconut oil, kefir, bone broth, butter, eating raw and etc

Obviously we are not afraid of saturated fat.

As far as recipes go, if you don't have a copy of Nourishing

Traditions, there are plenty of recipes there that are not

complicated at all. Once you have the ingredients and do say one or

two jars of lacto fermented vegetables a week it's really not too

hard. My favorite recipe for a quick easy meal, eggs fried in butter

with melted cheese, just vary the cheese to make something different

or put in chopped up onions, peppers, mushrooms sauted in butter of

course ;o), you know for a weekend meal.

Dora

>

> Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

> towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I

had

> lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want

to

> do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I

dont

> want to eat it 24/7.

>

> Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

> foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

> easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

>

> Thanks for your help,

> acewex@...

>

[Guest guest]

,

> Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

> towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I had

> lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want to

> do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I dont

> want to eat it 24/7.

>

> Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

> foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

> easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

Colpo has a book out, _The Fat Loss Bible_ that I have not

read but to which some others in our circle have given props.

You could put some focus on building lean muscle. The more you

exercise, the more carbs you can eat.

Also, consider trying the basic rules of _Mastering Leptin_, which

have helped some folks (but were disastrous for one person with severe

blood sugar/adrenal problems):

-- Go 5-6 hours between the end of one meal and the beginning of

another. Eat two or three meals per day with no snacks.

-- Go 11-13 hours between dinner and breakfast.

-- Eat protein and fat with every meal.

-- Exercise regularly, and wait at least three hours after finishing

your last meal before exercising. Do not eat after exercising until

you feel hungry. (If you feel hungry right away, it is ok to eat

right away).

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

You've hit the nail on the head regarding how our society got into the

physical shape we are in - the need for convenience! Our health and our

waist line have been the price we pay for convenience and our busy

lifestyles.

Some things that I have found beneficial are to eat plenty of healthy fats.

Fat satisfies the appetite. I try to eat EV coconut oil as much as I can. I

LOVE the stuff! The key is to not eat fat outside your home. For example, I

have fresh, raw cream in my coffee at home. But, if I go to starbucks, I get

no fat, no whip. I don't need THAT fat, I need the healthy stuff.

I try to limit breads, even when I can get bread made from sprouted grains.

I know many people that have lost A LOT of weight eliminating breads and

sugar.

Try to eat lots of fresh, organic veggies and fruits. I picked up my

organic veggie and fruit coop order last Saturday and spent the most of the

rest of the day washing the veggies and putting them in the frig. It was a

chore, but then I only had to pull it out of the fridge for the rest of the

week.

Kathy

Weight Loss

Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I had

lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want to

do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I dont

want to eat it 24/7.

Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

Thanks for your help,

acewex@...

[Guest guest]

This is interesting, and I've seen it elsewhere: -- Go 11-13 hours between

dinner and breakfast.

What is the rationale behind this? Like many of my other newly developed

eating habits, it flies in the face of conventional wisdom.

The other source that I saw it from said to drink a quart of water before

you eat anything.

Something else that I would add to Chris' list is to not eat 3 hours before

bed time. The Chinese believe that whatever you eat 3 hours before bedtime,

your body keeps. If I MUST eat, I try to drink a glass of milk, or

preferably kefir, or eat a piece of fruit.

Kathy

Re: Weight Loss

,

> Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

> towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I had

> lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want to

> do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I dont

> want to eat it 24/7.

>

> Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

> foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

> easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

Colpo has a book out, _The Fat Loss Bible_ that I have not

read but to which some others in our circle have given props.

You could put some focus on building lean muscle. The more you

exercise, the more carbs you can eat.

Also, consider trying the basic rules of _Mastering Leptin_, which

have helped some folks (but were disastrous for one person with severe

blood sugar/adrenal problems):

-- Go 5-6 hours between the end of one meal and the beginning of

another. Eat two or three meals per day with no snacks.

-- Go 11-13 hours between dinner and breakfast.

-- Eat protein and fat with every meal.

-- Exercise regularly, and wait at least three hours after finishing

your last meal before exercising. Do not eat after exercising until

you feel hungry. (If you feel hungry right away, it is ok to eat

right away).

Chris

[Guest guest]

For me personally, it's easier to fast to lose weight for a number of

reasons. Most importantly to me, I think I tend to overeat carbs

especially in holiday situations and then continue " splurging " on

junk food afterward. I know I'm sensitive to MSG and I wonder if it

is addictive to me. I have a lot of trouble just cutting back on it,

or cutting it completely out of my diet once I've fallen off the

wagon. When that happens, it seems inevitable that I start to get

insulin resistance in my cells as well, so I start that eating

because I feel hungry even though I haven't used up the calories I've

already eaten.

I tried the Eat Fat/Lose Fat thing and really the coconut oil had no

appeal to me, I couldn't remember to eat it throughout the day,

especially days on the run from here to there with the kids.

When I fast (this is my second time), I find it easy to stay away

from the temptations of junk food, fast food and any other kind of

food. It's easier to give stuff up cold turkey than moderate how

much I eat. I can do a raw food fast - just eating raw food, a juice

fast, a Master Cleanse fast, doesn't matter - I have no problem

resisting temptation.

At the end of the fast, the insulin resistance is gone, the MSG

addiction has been broken, I've gained control of the blood sugar

spiral thing, and I have a lot more resistance to tempting junk

foods. My friend who tried fasting noticed the same thing. You lose

a ton of weight and it does stay off. I fasted last July and lost

somewhere around 9 lb and it took massive binging at Christmas to

gain it back. I've just lost that 9 lb again, and only in a week.

I've read that if you fast for a period of a week or two then do a

raw food diet afterward you'll actually lose weight faster during the

raw food part. In my raw food parts I also drink bone broth and raw

milk and eat raw cheese, so it's not really against WAP.

I feel a part of the weight problem in the US is MSG addiction, and

another part is just that we eat more calories than we burn because

the food has so many more calories than our bodies were designed

for. I've got too many distractions here to continue but hopefully

I've got the gist of it out.

>

> ,

>

> You've hit the nail on the head regarding how our society got into

the

> physical shape we are in - the need for convenience! Our health and

our

> waist line have been the price we pay for convenience and our busy

> lifestyles.

>

> Some things that I have found beneficial are to eat plenty of

healthy fats.

> Fat satisfies the appetite. I try to eat EV coconut oil as much as

I can. I

> LOVE the stuff! The key is to not eat fat outside your home. For

example, I

> have fresh, raw cream in my coffee at home. But, if I go to

starbucks, I get

> no fat, no whip. I don't need THAT fat, I need the healthy stuff.

>

> I try to limit breads, even when I can get bread made from sprouted

grains.

> I know many people that have lost A LOT of weight eliminating

breads and

> sugar.

>

> Try to eat lots of fresh, organic veggies and fruits. I picked up

my

> organic veggie and fruit coop order last Saturday and spent the

most of the

> rest of the day washing the veggies and putting them in the frig.

It was a

> chore, but then I only had to pull it out of the fridge for the

rest of the

> week.

>

> Kathy

> Weight Loss

>

> Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

> towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I

had

> lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want

to

> do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I

dont

> want to eat it 24/7.

>

> Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

> foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

> easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

>

> Thanks for your help,

> acewex@...

>

[Guest guest]

you could follow the Fast 5 Diet and eat traditional foods during your 5 hour

window.

http://www.fast-5.com/

there is also a group for this and many eat low carb and trad. foods. This

way of

eating saves lots of cooking and prep time since you are eating fewer meals.

p. 621 of NT contains limited-time limited budget ideas.

>

> Hi-I am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction

> towards learning about Weight Loss through a traditional diet. I had

> lost 35 pounds doing the Atkins diet but I hated it and don't want to

> do it again. While I like meat/chicken/fish as much as anyone I dont

> want to eat it 24/7.

>

> Also I'm a single parent and don't have time to prep a lot of the

> foods in Nourishing Traditions, is there somewhere I can learn about

> easy to prepare meals that aren't so time consuming?

>

> Thanks for your help,

> acewex@...

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy-

> The other source that I saw it from said to drink a quart of water

> before

> you eat anything.

Inasmuch as this will profoundly dilute your gastric juices, it's

really not a good idea.

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