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Hi ,

I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read in

several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should avoid

them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good

either.

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I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

Dorie

Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

> Hi ,

> I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read

in

> several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should

avoid

> them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good

> either.

> --

>

>

>

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I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

Dorie

Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

> Hi ,

> I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read

in

> several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should

avoid

> them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good

> either.

> --

>

>

>

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I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

Dorie

Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

> Hi ,

> I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read

in

> several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should

avoid

> them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good

> either.

> --

>

>

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I agree!!! In my case, at least, I believe my fibroids were/are primarily

heredity. My grandmother, aunts and sister have fibroids. I haven't eaten

red meat or pork since 1983 . . . I was a strict vegetarian in the early 90s

cutting out all chicken and fish . . . the mid-part of the 90s I became a

vegan -- at that time my fibroids started to grow. I was in my mid-30s, I

was a vegan/vegetarian, I exercised 5 to 6 times a week, and I still had

fibroids. I also wasn't able to shed a single pound of fat because I was

getting very little protein in my diet. I still don't eat red meat or pork,

but I've added back into my diet protein sources such as fish, chcken, eggs

and cottage cheese with very little processed carbs/starches.

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Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all

over the world.

HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but

fibroids are everywhere

and common to women on all continents.

There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic

fibroids to date. And, the

only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater

presence of symptomatic

fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms

from fibroids.

Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's

hypothesis of what

makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts.

Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms

and reduced bleeding

significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary

change through a

controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly

correlated consumption of

meat to higher incidence of symptoms.

Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian

diet -- and known to

reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans,

beans, though. I'm not

sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much

as to how poor people

eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the

income the more likely

the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south

and among the poor

and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of

course, consumption of pork

OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be

counteracting any good

that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say.

As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great

many beans along with

fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and

eggs were fresh. As a

kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember

receiving commodities

from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to

our diet.

Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about

everything. The

fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that

were doled out.

Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye

aye aye...enough

reminiscing....

Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough

study of dietary

influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though

is this: how would

they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary

influences of any given

region of the population they might choose to study?

carla

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Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all

over the world.

HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but

fibroids are everywhere

and common to women on all continents.

There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic

fibroids to date. And, the

only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater

presence of symptomatic

fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms

from fibroids.

Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's

hypothesis of what

makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts.

Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms

and reduced bleeding

significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary

change through a

controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly

correlated consumption of

meat to higher incidence of symptoms.

Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian

diet -- and known to

reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans,

beans, though. I'm not

sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much

as to how poor people

eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the

income the more likely

the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south

and among the poor

and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of

course, consumption of pork

OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be

counteracting any good

that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say.

As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great

many beans along with

fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and

eggs were fresh. As a

kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember

receiving commodities

from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to

our diet.

Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about

everything. The

fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that

were doled out.

Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye

aye aye...enough

reminiscing....

Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough

study of dietary

influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though

is this: how would

they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary

influences of any given

region of the population they might choose to study?

carla

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Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer?

More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all

over the world.

HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but

fibroids are everywhere

and common to women on all continents.

There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic

fibroids to date. And, the

only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater

presence of symptomatic

fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms

from fibroids.

Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's

hypothesis of what

makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts.

Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms

and reduced bleeding

significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary

change through a

controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly

correlated consumption of

meat to higher incidence of symptoms.

Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian

diet -- and known to

reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans,

beans, though. I'm not

sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much

as to how poor people

eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the

income the more likely

the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south

and among the poor

and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of

course, consumption of pork

OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be

counteracting any good

that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say.

As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great

many beans along with

fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and

eggs were fresh. As a

kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember

receiving commodities

from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to

our diet.

Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about

everything. The

fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that

were doled out.

Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye

aye aye...enough

reminiscing....

Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough

study of dietary

influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though

is this: how would

they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary

influences of any given

region of the population they might choose to study?

carla

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I know that others will disagree with me, but trying

to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather

pointless. I think you either have them or you don't.

Also I think that it seems as if women in more

developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers,

but it is probably our advanced technology detecting

them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would

never know they had them if not for our advanced

technology.

--- Mike and Dorie Brennecke

wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the

> growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly

> developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate

> diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does

> anyone have an answer?

> Dorie

>

> Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

>

>

> > Hi ,

> > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid

> growth, but I have read

> in

> > several places that meat and dairy do affect

> their growth. You should

> avoid

> > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine

> are supposedly not so good

> > either.

> > --

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I know that others will disagree with me, but trying

to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather

pointless. I think you either have them or you don't.

Also I think that it seems as if women in more

developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers,

but it is probably our advanced technology detecting

them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would

never know they had them if not for our advanced

technology.

--- Mike and Dorie Brennecke

wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the

> growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly

> developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate

> diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does

> anyone have an answer?

> Dorie

>

> Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

>

>

> > Hi ,

> > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid

> growth, but I have read

> in

> > several places that meat and dairy do affect

> their growth. You should

> avoid

> > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine

> are supposedly not so good

> > either.

> > --

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I know that others will disagree with me, but trying

to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather

pointless. I think you either have them or you don't.

Also I think that it seems as if women in more

developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers,

but it is probably our advanced technology detecting

them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would

never know they had them if not for our advanced

technology.

--- Mike and Dorie Brennecke

wrote:

> I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the

> growth of fibroids.

> Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly

> developed countries,

> with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate

> diets. Now I hear meat

> and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does

> anyone have an answer?

> Dorie

>

> Re: Slimfast and Fibroids

>

>

> > Hi ,

> > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid

> growth, but I have read

> in

> > several places that meat and dairy do affect

> their growth. You should

> avoid

> > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine

> are supposedly not so good

> > either.

> > --

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

denisedch@... writes:

> Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR

> is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow?

>

>

I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has

soy in it.

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In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

denisedch@... writes:

> Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR

> is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow?

>

>

I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has

soy in it.

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In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

denisedch@... writes:

> Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR

> is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow?

>

>

I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has

soy in it.

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> That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine

Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much?

Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal

to share with the group

which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may

or may not be related

to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are

absolutely true....

just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is...

just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's

anything more than theory...

just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good

chance it's just

filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site

that substantiates the

content...)

I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit

about what worked for

me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote

about Lee's

theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded

in science. I've

written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too.

This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with

" .... I think.... "

or

" ...I read this on xxx website... "

or

" ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... "

OR, best of all

" ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the

abstract) " .

Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress,

chemicals, etc. or

some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these

theories of dietary

impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be

present in any given

tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to

apply estrogen,

phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it?

I don't think we can.

A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In

fact, a healthy and

balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel

better. So will

exercise. So will reducing stress in your life.

Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy

lifestyle. Very few

foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current

epidemiologic studies

that have been done to date. Very few.

Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science

before jumping to

conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms.

We just don't know

that much yet.

Carla Dionne

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> That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine

Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much?

Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal

to share with the group

which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may

or may not be related

to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are

absolutely true....

just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is...

just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's

anything more than theory...

just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good

chance it's just

filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site

that substantiates the

content...)

I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit

about what worked for

me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote

about Lee's

theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded

in science. I've

written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too.

This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with

" .... I think.... "

or

" ...I read this on xxx website... "

or

" ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... "

OR, best of all

" ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the

abstract) " .

Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress,

chemicals, etc. or

some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these

theories of dietary

impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be

present in any given

tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to

apply estrogen,

phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it?

I don't think we can.

A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In

fact, a healthy and

balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel

better. So will

exercise. So will reducing stress in your life.

Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy

lifestyle. Very few

foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current

epidemiologic studies

that have been done to date. Very few.

Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science

before jumping to

conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms.

We just don't know

that much yet.

Carla Dionne

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> That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine

Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much?

Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal

to share with the group

which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may

or may not be related

to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are

absolutely true....

just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is...

just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's

anything more than theory...

just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good

chance it's just

filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site

that substantiates the

content...)

I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit

about what worked for

me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote

about Lee's

theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded

in science. I've

written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too.

This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with

" .... I think.... "

or

" ...I read this on xxx website... "

or

" ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... "

OR, best of all

" ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the

abstract) " .

Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress,

chemicals, etc. or

some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these

theories of dietary

impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be

present in any given

tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to

apply estrogen,

phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it?

I don't think we can.

A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In

fact, a healthy and

balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel

better. So will

exercise. So will reducing stress in your life.

Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy

lifestyle. Very few

foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current

epidemiologic studies

that have been done to date. Very few.

Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science

before jumping to

conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms.

We just don't know

that much yet.

Carla Dionne

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