Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi , I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read in several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should avoid them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good either. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 what about hereditary? my doctor told me that fibroids are or can be hereditary. my mother and my aunts on my fathers side have had them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? Dorie Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > Hi , > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read in > several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should avoid > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good > either. > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? Dorie Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > Hi , > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read in > several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should avoid > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good > either. > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? Dorie Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > Hi , > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid growth, but I have read in > several places that meat and dairy do affect their growth. You should avoid > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine are supposedly not so good > either. > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I agree!!! In my case, at least, I believe my fibroids were/are primarily heredity. My grandmother, aunts and sister have fibroids. I haven't eaten red meat or pork since 1983 . . . I was a strict vegetarian in the early 90s cutting out all chicken and fish . . . the mid-part of the 90s I became a vegan -- at that time my fibroids started to grow. I was in my mid-30s, I was a vegan/vegetarian, I exercised 5 to 6 times a week, and I still had fibroids. I also wasn't able to shed a single pound of fat because I was getting very little protein in my diet. I still don't eat red meat or pork, but I've added back into my diet protein sources such as fish, chcken, eggs and cottage cheese with very little processed carbs/starches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all over the world. HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but fibroids are everywhere and common to women on all continents. There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic fibroids to date. And, the only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater presence of symptomatic fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms from fibroids. Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's hypothesis of what makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts. Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms and reduced bleeding significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary change through a controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly correlated consumption of meat to higher incidence of symptoms. Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian diet -- and known to reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans, beans, though. I'm not sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much as to how poor people eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the income the more likely the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south and among the poor and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of course, consumption of pork OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be counteracting any good that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say. As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great many beans along with fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and eggs were fresh. As a kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember receiving commodities from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to our diet. Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about everything. The fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that were doled out. Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye aye aye...enough reminiscing.... Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough study of dietary influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though is this: how would they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary influences of any given region of the population they might choose to study? carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all over the world. HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but fibroids are everywhere and common to women on all continents. There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic fibroids to date. And, the only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater presence of symptomatic fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms from fibroids. Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's hypothesis of what makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts. Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms and reduced bleeding significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary change through a controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly correlated consumption of meat to higher incidence of symptoms. Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian diet -- and known to reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans, beans, though. I'm not sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much as to how poor people eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the income the more likely the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south and among the poor and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of course, consumption of pork OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be counteracting any good that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say. As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great many beans along with fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and eggs were fresh. As a kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember receiving commodities from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to our diet. Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about everything. The fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that were doled out. Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye aye aye...enough reminiscing.... Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough study of dietary influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though is this: how would they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary influences of any given region of the population they might choose to study? carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does anyone have an answer? More common in highly developed countries? Fibroids are pretty much common all over the world. HYSTERECTOMIES for fibroids are more common in highly developed countries but fibroids are everywhere and common to women on all continents. There's only been 1 decent study on the association of diet to symptomatic fibroids to date. And, the only thing it showed was an association of red meat, beef, and ham to greater presence of symptomatic fibroids. Fruits & green leafy vegies showed a reduced association to symptoms from fibroids. Most of the diet stuff that's been published is speculation based on someone's hypothesis of what makes fibroids grow. Theories. Not facts. Although I found that switching to a strictly vegetarian diet helped my symptoms and reduced bleeding significantly, I've not found any study that substantiated this simple dietary change through a controlled study of it. The study from Italy was the first that solidly correlated consumption of meat to higher incidence of symptoms. Lark's diet for fibroids and endometriosis is a fairly decent vegetarian diet -- and known to reduce symptoms somewhat. I do have to laugh at her pushing beans, beans, beans, though. I'm not sure she understands what the dietary staple of the south is....or even so much as to how poor people eat. The highest incidence of hysterectomy is in the south and the lower the income the more likely the hyst; I'd wager money that the highest consumption of beans is in the south and among the poor and it hasn't stopped the growth of fibroids (or hyst rates) one iota. Of course, consumption of pork OR fresh water fish heavily contaminated with industrial pollutants could be counteracting any good that beans & greens could be doing. Hard to say. As someone who was very, very poor growing up in this nation, I consumed a great many beans along with fresh water fish, deer meat and rabbit. We had a cow and chickens so milk and eggs were fresh. As a kid, I worked the crop fields, so fruit and vegies were abundant. I remember receiving commodities from the government and that generally added a lot of rice and peanut butter to our diet. Unfortunately, it also added lard -- which my mother used for cooking just about everything. The fattening of America's poor began solidly in the 60's with the commodities that were doled out. Probably contributed to a great deal of heart disease in this nation too. Aye aye aye...enough reminiscing.... Sure would be nice if some epidemiologist here in the U.S. would do a thorough study of dietary influences on symptomatic fibroids, wouldn't it? What I'd like to know though is this: how would they separate out the environmental chemical influences from true dietary influences of any given region of the population they might choose to study? carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I know that others will disagree with me, but trying to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather pointless. I think you either have them or you don't. Also I think that it seems as if women in more developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers, but it is probably our advanced technology detecting them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would never know they had them if not for our advanced technology. --- Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the > growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly > developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate > diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does > anyone have an answer? > Dorie > > Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > > > > Hi , > > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid > growth, but I have read > in > > several places that meat and dairy do affect > their growth. You should > avoid > > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine > are supposedly not so good > > either. > > -- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I know that others will disagree with me, but trying to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather pointless. I think you either have them or you don't. Also I think that it seems as if women in more developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers, but it is probably our advanced technology detecting them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would never know they had them if not for our advanced technology. --- Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the > growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly > developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate > diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does > anyone have an answer? > Dorie > > Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > > > > Hi , > > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid > growth, but I have read > in > > several places that meat and dairy do affect > their growth. You should > avoid > > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine > are supposedly not so good > > either. > > -- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I know that others will disagree with me, but trying to blame your fibroids on your diet is rather pointless. I think you either have them or you don't. Also I think that it seems as if women in more developed countries have fibroids in greater numbers, but it is probably our advanced technology detecting them. Many women have asymptomatic fibroids and would never know they had them if not for our advanced technology. --- Mike and Dorie Brennecke wrote: > I heard that it was carbohydrates that encourage the > growth of fibroids. > Supposedly that's why they are more common in highly > developed countries, > with lots of processed foods and high-carbohydrate > diets. Now I hear meat > and dairy. I'd like to know which is true. Does > anyone have an answer? > Dorie > > Re: Slimfast and Fibroids > > > > Hi , > > I don't know about the slimfast affecting fibroid > growth, but I have read > in > > several places that meat and dairy do affect > their growth. You should > avoid > > them, if you aren't already. Sugar and caffeine > are supposedly not so good > > either. > > -- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, denisedch@... writes: > Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR > is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow? > > I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has soy in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, denisedch@... writes: > Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR > is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow? > > I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has soy in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 In a message dated 2/17/2002 10:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, denisedch@... writes: > Does anyone know if it is okay to use Slimfast for dieting with fibroids OR > is there anything in Slimfast that would make the fibroids grow? > > I don't know, but I'm wondering the same thing with Spirutene, since it has soy in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 > That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much? Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal to share with the group which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may or may not be related to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are absolutely true.... just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is... just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's anything more than theory... just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good chance it's just filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site that substantiates the content...) I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit about what worked for me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote about Lee's theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded in science. I've written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too. This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with " .... I think.... " or " ...I read this on xxx website... " or " ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... " OR, best of all " ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the abstract) " . Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress, chemicals, etc. or some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these theories of dietary impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be present in any given tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to apply estrogen, phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it? I don't think we can. A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In fact, a healthy and balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel better. So will exercise. So will reducing stress in your life. Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy lifestyle. Very few foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current epidemiologic studies that have been done to date. Very few. Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science before jumping to conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms. We just don't know that much yet. Carla Dionne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 > That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much? Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal to share with the group which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may or may not be related to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are absolutely true.... just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is... just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's anything more than theory... just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good chance it's just filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site that substantiates the content...) I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit about what worked for me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote about Lee's theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded in science. I've written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too. This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with " .... I think.... " or " ...I read this on xxx website... " or " ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... " OR, best of all " ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the abstract) " . Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress, chemicals, etc. or some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these theories of dietary impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be present in any given tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to apply estrogen, phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it? I don't think we can. A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In fact, a healthy and balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel better. So will exercise. So will reducing stress in your life. Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy lifestyle. Very few foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current epidemiologic studies that have been done to date. Very few. Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science before jumping to conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms. We just don't know that much yet. Carla Dionne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 > That is true . Stay away from meat and caffeine Okay guys. Diet theories are abundant. Can we agree on that much? Unless you have the scientific literature published in a peer reviewed journal to share with the group which absolutely substantiates your claim on any given dietary element that may or may not be related to fibroids, let's be careful about statements that sound like they are absolutely true.... just because a doctor says it's so, don't mean it is... just because it's been published in a book somewhere...doesn't mean it's anything more than theory... just because it's on the 'net somewhere...well, that one's a no brainer....good chance it's just filler space on a page....(unless you see a bibliography somewhere on the site that substantiates the content...) I wrote a lot on my own website and in my book on dietary theories...and a bit about what worked for me...but that doesn't make any of it universally applicable. It isn't. I wrote about Lee's theories...but that doesn't mean I buy it all or believe any of it to be founded in science. I've written about Lark's diets...but the same is true there too. This is where I remind everyone to remember to preface your statements with " .... I think.... " or " ...I read this on xxx website... " or " ...in the following book, Dr. so and so said... " OR, best of all " ...I found this on Medline: (and identify the citation and link to the abstract) " . Until we honestly know what triggers the growth of fibroids (is it food, stress, chemicals, etc. or some wildly obscure combination???), how can we possibly apply any of these theories of dietary impact? Until we have a better understanding of hormonal receptors which may be present in any given tumor (and may be different in different tumors), how can we possibly begin to apply estrogen, phytoestrogen, progesterone, etc. dietary claims on any of it? I don't think we can. A healthy, balanced diet, will make you feel better and alleviate symptoms. In fact, a healthy and balanced diet will alleviate symptoms for most diseases and allow one to feel better. So will exercise. So will reducing stress in your life. Until proven otherwise, it's just a good idea to aim for an all around healthy lifestyle. Very few foods have proven to be related to symptomatic fibroids based on the current epidemiologic studies that have been done to date. Very few. Eat healthy and take care of yourself. But please look for the real science before jumping to conclusions about what may or may not be related to fibroid growth or symptoms. We just don't know that much yet. Carla Dionne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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