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I know I have been reading alot from you all about bone density etc. I

went to the dr. today. He set me up for bone density test. He said he

wanted to see what condition I was in (bonewise) so that if I needed

treatment before the transplant and the dreaded prednisone he could

start now to help prevent some of the problems later. I had taken

prednisone for about 20 years previously and already know the damage it

can do. I had developed severe arthritis, diabetes, kidney problems

etc. not to mention the weight. I remember at Christmas 85, our photos

show me at my worst. My eyes were almost shut my face was so

Huuuuuuuge!

Also got the news I need another ERCP, he thinks I need my gall bladder

out on top of everything else. Is there no end? Hey, at least my

kidney tests were fine!

, PSC

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Yes, I have heard that thyroid conditions play havoc on the bones, but I am

now menopausal and found that I had very good bone density results in spite

of the fact that I've been HyperT for 5 years...so maybe it has something to

do with genetics, as well as thyroid. I am not taking HRT (estrogen), but

some people think it's a good idea if you're menopausal, since it prevents

osteoporosis.

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Esther,

Although thyroid disease can waste both muscle and bone, I would caution

against HRT if it involves that horse urine stuff that the medical profession

is pushing. Calcium, regular weight bearing exercise, and, if necessary,

natural estrogens, which are prescribed by alternative practitioners, are

much safer, and more effective.

After my hyperT, my dr. insisted that I go for a bone scan, which also

yielded good results. I'm kind of sorry now that I had the scan, as I'm sure

it involved some radiation. There must be more benign tests to measure bone

density, but I don't know what they are. The medical establishment loves to

prescribe expensive tests that use lots of radiation--from now on, if I need

to test anything, I'll check w/an alternative dr. first.

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I was taking PROGEST for awhile which is natural progesterone but discovered

that it stimulates the thyroid, so I'm afraid to take it. Right now I have

no hot flashes, etc., (thank goodness), but I do hope my bone density remains

in good condition. I know many peri-menopausal and menopausal women who

have thyroid problems...I don't think it's a coincidence.

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Dear Esther,

Many women who are perimenopausal, menopausal, or just had a baby have

hyperT, so I'm sure that it is related to our hormones. With men, it seems

to be related to diet, or some kind of nutritional deficiency--it seems that

many men who develop hyperT are vegetarians, eat low fat, etc. I also eat

that way, so maybe for women it's related to diet as well. seems to

think that nutritional deficiencies, mineral imbalances, etc., are the

underlying factors, and I think he's probably right. Maybe our hormone

fluctuations cause mineral and other imbalances.

I was taking the Progest when I developed hyperT, and my osteopath told me to

discontinue it for a while, as it stimulates the thyroid. Now that I'm

better, I use it regularly again.

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Great news: Then I would suggest you not do HRT, but consider the more

natural approach. Of course, it's up to you. Visit your local health food

store and check out Dr. Lee's website.

Good luck.

Esther

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In a message dated 12/10/00 9:02:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, gefox@...

writes:

<< To all ....I think what my gastroligist was saying is he believes too

many drugs are often more detrimental than helpful...so many side-efects

and juggling drug interaction ... he said he probably was being old

fashioned plus I have myeloma which is weaking my bones already... I see

my oncologist Jan. 5 and my gastro told me to ask him for a referal to

bone specialist since the oncologist probably knew more than he about

it...... oh well I could drive up to the Clinic to get one.... I wasn`t

really aware of meds. for osteo.... thanks for educating me. >>

For most people, Fosamax doesn't seem to have a lot of side effects other

than chewing up your esophagus if you take it other than as directed. The

negative is that your bones don't show an improvement for at least a couple

of years, I'm told. Take everything I say with a grain of salt; I'm not an

expert, much less a professional, in medical areas. Take good care of

yourself.

Harper

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According to my doctor, the spinal BMD test is not accurate in people with

RA--he never really explained, and I didn't question. And yes, RA puts

people at higher risk for osteoporosis--meds, lack of exercise,

inflammation. My BMD is similar.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

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> Hello group:

> I recently had a bone density scan and got weird results. My spine is as

> strong as a 20-year-old's (I'm 54) but my hip has deteriorated enough to

be

> labeled borderline osteoporosis!

> My doc says RA, which I've had for a little over three years, does not

> affect bones. Has anyone had a similar result on a bone density test, or

> does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

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I always take calcium with my multivitamin and usually wash it down with a

glass of milk. Both are heavy with vitamin D. My bone density after 8 years

of prednisone is +1.5...extremely good with little chance of breakage if I

fall down. Part of this is due to the good advise of my doc in taking extra

calcium, and part...lets face it...is pure heredity. My bones may be just

heavier or denser than some. I am aware of many people who in spite of good

diet and extra calcium are fighting off the effects of osterporosis. Not a

good thing but one we must all watch for, especially us women after

menopause. Martha

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Low testosterone (androgens), will cause bone to be less dense.

Testosterone is needed to keep bones/teeth etc. healthy. Your shots

were way to low for a long time, so there is a chance that your bone

density will also be low. The good thing is, low bone density can be

partially (possibly fully), reversed with proper androgen treatment.

Armyguy

> Included in the battery of $500 in blood tests my endo ordered

prior

> to agreeing to put me on HCG, was a test for bone density.

> Apparently this can be a health issue. However I cannot remember

> the reason why, if it was because of the years of depo

testosterone

> shots, or what. Anyone educate me on this?

> thanks

> nort828

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.. The good thing is, low bone density can be

>partially (possibly fully), reversed with proper androgen treatment.

>

Unfortunately, I do not think that is true. All of your bone density is

gained in your youth, and the most you can do is to slow the loss. There are

a couple drugs, fosamax in particular, that have been able to build very

small amounts of bone back, mostly in women- but not much.

No man should believe that he can go decades with low bone density and then

reverse it with testosterone. That is one one of the problems when men let

their T stay low simply because it didnt give them the libido or the

erections they wanted - they wake up some day with an aged body and brain

and realize that it was needed for other things.

When men take the drug Lupron to purposely kill their T as part of prostate

cancer treatment, they lose the equivalent of a decades worth of bone in the

following two years. I will leave it to others to contemplate what it does

to go decades with a T reading of 200 or less and how much different that is

in the long run.

Got my MRI bone density test back a month ago. It said my density falls in

the range of " a young adult " . I am 54 :)))))

Winter

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> > i am unclear on this post.bone denisty refers to the hardness and

>actual weight of the bone right? not the length and size ,if it

>refers to length and size i dont think i want to increase mine as i

>am over 6'2 " now and have a large bone structure.

> >

Right, it refers to hardness and density. T will not increase bone size

(for a post-pubescent person). It will help to prevent the loss of bone size

which comes from a loss of bone density over time - in other words

shrinkage.

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Hi Steve

Glad you have had your DEXA scan now.

It has been shown that a DEXA scan of ca L4, hip are best sites to compare

people.

If you bone density is lower than normal for your age then you will probably

be considered to have some treatment to improve bone regeneration but at

least asked to ensure your diet has enough calcium etc.

The UK's National Osteoporosis site is at:

http://www.nos.org.uk/

Do say what your consultant says. In the UK it is normally a Rheumatologist

who interprets the DEXA scans and related problems I think.

Best wishes

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Bone Density

> Hi there,

>

> Have many people here had their bone density checked?

>

> I was scanned last week, they checked my lower spine, lower left forearm

> and

> Left hip. I don't know why these sites were picked but the result showed

> below average density in arm and spine. Not to sure what this means but

> seeing consultant next week.

>

> Also getting blood results for T levels and Uric acid (due to foot pain)

>

> Steve

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>

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Steve

I thought it might help both you and others, as everyone who has low T is at

risk of Osteoporosis, that I copy the list of information easily available

at the NOS:

http://www.nos.org.uk/public.asp [NB: You need to visit NOS to click on

the files!!]

a.. ALENDRONATE | Word | PDF |

a.. ANOREXIA NERVOSA AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

a.. ANTICONVULSANT DRUGS AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word |

a.. BONE DENSITY | Word |

a.. CALCITONIN | Word | PDF |

a.. CALCITRIOL | Word | PDF |

a.. CALCIUM | Word | PDF |

a.. COELIAC CONDITION | Word | PDF |

a.. CONTINUOUS COMBINED HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY | Word | PDF |

a.. CYCLICAL ETIDRONATE | Word | PDF |

a.. DEEP VEIN THROMBOSIS AND HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY | Word | PDF |

a.. DEPO PROVERA | Word |

a.. ENDOMETRIOSIS | Word | PDF |

a.. FLUORIDE | Word | PDF |

a.. GLUCO-CORTICOID INDUCED OSTEOPOROSIS | PDF |

a.. HIP PROTECTORS | Word | PDF |

a.. HYPERTHYROIDISM AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

a.. NATURAL PROGESTERONE | Word | PDF |

a.. NICE INFORMATION SHEET | Word |

a.. OSTEOARTHRITIS AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

a.. OSTEOGENESIS IMPERFECTA | Word | PDF |

a.. PERCUTANEOUS VERTEBROPLASTY | Word |

a.. PHYTOESTROGENS | Word | PDF |

a.. RALOXIFENE | Word | PDF |

a.. REFLEX SYMPATHETIC DYSTROPHY SYNDROME | Word | PDF |

a.. RISEDRONATE | Word | PDF |

a.. STRONTIUM | Word |

a.. SUPPLEMENTS OF CALCIUM AND VITAMIN D | Word |

a.. TAMOXIFEN | Word | PDF |

a.. TENs | Word | PDF |

a.. TERIPARATIDE (Forsteo) | Word | PDF |

a.. TESTOSTERONE | Word | PDF |

a.. TIBOLONE | Word | PDF |

a.. TRANSSEXUALISM AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word |

a.. TURNERS SYNDROME | Word | PDF |

a.. ULTRASOUND | Word | PDF |

a.. URINE TESTS FOR OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

a.. VITAMIN D | Word | PDF |

http://www.nos.org.uk/public.asp

Hope this helps?

Kind regards,

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Randle

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> Hi there,

>

> Have many people here had their bone density checked?

>

> I was scanned last week, they checked my lower spine, lower left forearm

> and

> Left hip. I don't know why these sites were picked but the result showed

> below average density in arm and spine. Not to sure what this means but

> seeing consultant next week.

>

> Also getting blood results for T levels and Uric acid (due to foot pain)

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

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> The UK's National Osteoporosis site is at:

>

> http://www.nos.org.uk/

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

Hi , thanks for this link, very useful especially the files

that explain the DXA scan.

I am seeing my Endo on Tuesday and I think its him who will be going

through all of my results etc.

Steve

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> Steve

>

> I thought it might help both you and others, as everyone who has

low T is at

> risk of Osteoporosis, that I copy the list of information easily

available

> at the NOS:

> http://www.nos.org.uk/public.asp [NB: You need to visit NOS to

click on

> the files!!]

>

> a.. ALENDRONATE | Word | PDF |

> a.. ANOREXIA NERVOSA AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

> a.. ANTICONVULSANT DRUGS AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word |

> a.. BONE DENSITY | Word |

> a.. CALCITONIN | Word | PDF |

> a.. CALCITRIOL | Word | PDF |

> a.. CALCIUM | Word | PDF |

> a.. COELIAC CONDITION | Word | PDF |

> a.. CONTINUOUS COMBINED HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY | Word | PDF |

> a.. CYCLICAL ETIDRONATE | Word | PDF |

> a.. DEEP VEIN THROMBOSIS AND HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY | Word |

PDF |

>

> a.. DEPO PROVERA | Word |

> a.. ENDOMETRIOSIS | Word | PDF |

> a.. FLUORIDE | Word | PDF |

> a.. GLUCO-CORTICOID INDUCED OSTEOPOROSIS | PDF |

> a.. HIP PROTECTORS | Word | PDF |

> a.. HYPERTHYROIDISM AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

> a.. NATURAL PROGESTERONE | Word | PDF |

> a.. NICE INFORMATION SHEET | Word |

> a.. OSTEOARTHRITIS AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

> a.. OSTEOGENESIS IMPERFECTA | Word | PDF |

> a.. PERCUTANEOUS VERTEBROPLASTY | Word |

> a.. PHYTOESTROGENS | Word | PDF |

> a.. RALOXIFENE | Word | PDF |

> a.. REFLEX SYMPATHETIC DYSTROPHY SYNDROME | Word | PDF |

> a.. RISEDRONATE | Word | PDF |

> a.. STRONTIUM | Word |

> a.. SUPPLEMENTS OF CALCIUM AND VITAMIN D | Word |

> a.. TAMOXIFEN | Word | PDF |

> a.. TENs | Word | PDF |

> a.. TERIPARATIDE (Forsteo) | Word | PDF |

> a.. TESTOSTERONE | Word | PDF |

> a.. TIBOLONE | Word | PDF |

> a.. TRANSSEXUALISM AND OSTEOPOROSIS | Word |

> a.. TURNERS SYNDROME | Word | PDF |

> a.. ULTRASOUND | Word | PDF |

> a.. URINE TESTS FOR OSTEOPOROSIS | Word | PDF |

> a.. VITAMIN D | Word | PDF |

>

> http://www.nos.org.uk/public.asp

>

> Hope this helps?

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

>

Thanks great help

Steve

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Hi Steve

Good luck for Tuesday. Try and get your actual score/result. When talking

with Osteoporosis specialists it is far more helpful to have the %age rather

than a " normal " comment! It sounds common sense to patients but I telephoned

my local referring hospital as I had eventually been told I was Vitamin D

and Calcium deficient so needed to discuss and understand where my bone

density is now. " Well it's normal " ! Ah

May I suggest as you are seeing your endo and I remember you said your DEXA

scan is " below normal " that you ask about Parathyroid Function? The

Parathyroid glands are involved with calcium balance and Vitamin D.

Good luck

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Randle

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Re: Bone Density

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>>

>> The UK's National Osteoporosis site is at:

>>

>> http://www.nos.org.uk/

>>

>

>> Best wishes

>>

>>

>>

>

> Hi , thanks for this link, very useful especially the files

> that explain the DXA scan.

>

> I am seeing my Endo on Tuesday and I think its him who will be going

> through all of my results etc.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all take. It's

important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if you're

taking prednisone.

My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test showed

osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started on Boniva,

the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field one!!

If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon. They

probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all better be

doing those!!!

Dorothy

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I agree with you Dorothy.

 

In Nov of 2006 while having a mammogram done I also had a bone density test and

found out I have osteoporosis in my hips and worse in my spine.

I was put on Evista 60mg daily, Calcium 600mg 2x daily, D and Magagnesium. I'm

on and have been on plenty of RA meds in almost 5 years but have never taken

prednisone, something I just refuse to do. My Dr. said she wanted to start me on

Evista for the osteoporosis rather than Boniva because of my known stomach

issues. The Irony in this is I take Prilosec each morning because of the

problems the other meds I take cause to my stomach But... long tirm use of

Prilosec is known to be bad for bone density. It's always something isn't it?

~lol~

Anyway.....

Be sure to get those Bone Density test done everyone, their the only ones you

have.

 

Judy in OK

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Subject: [ ] Bone Density

Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:31 AM

Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all take.

It's

important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if you're

taking prednisone.

My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test showed

osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started on Boniva,

the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field one!!

If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon. They

probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all better be

doing those!!!

Dorothy

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Judy - has your bone density improved with the Evista? I like the Boniva

since it's only once a month!

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Subject: Re: [ ] Bone Density

I agree with you Dorothy.

In Nov of 2006 while having a mammogram done I also had a bone density test

and found out I have osteoporosis in my hips and worse in my spine.

I was put on Evista 60mg daily, Calcium 600mg 2x daily, D and Magagnesium.

I'm on and have been on plenty of RA meds in almost 5 years but have never

taken prednisone, something I just refuse to do. My Dr. said she wanted to

start me on Evista for the osteoporosis rather than Boniva because of my

known stomach issues. The Irony in this is I take Prilosec each morning

because of the problems the other meds I take cause to my stomach But...

long tirm use of Prilosec is known to be bad for bone density. It's always

something isn't it? ~lol~

Anyway.....

Be sure to get those Bone Density test done everyone, their the only ones

you have.

Judy in OK

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Subject: [ ] Bone Density

@gro <mailto: %40> ups.com

Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:31 AM

Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all take.

It's

important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if you're

taking prednisone.

My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test showed

osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started on Boniva,

the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field one!!

If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon. They

probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all better be

doing those!!!

Dorothy

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Dorothy,

I have read that Bisphosphonates should not be taken if you have RA. I'd post

the site that has this info but I'm not sure I'm allowed. If you want to email

me directly, I'll forward you the site.

in PA

[ ] Bone Density

Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all take. It's

important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if you're

taking prednisone.

My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test showed

osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started on Boniva,

the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field one!!

If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon. They

probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all better be

doing those!!!

Dorothy

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I get a bone density test done every two years. In 2006 it showed I

have osteopenia. This year no worsening of it though.

Debbie L

>

> Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all

take. It's

> important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if

you're

> taking prednisone.

>

>

>

> My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test

showed

> osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started

on Boniva,

> the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field

one!!

>

>

>

> If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon.

They

> probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all

better be

> doing those!!!

>

>

>

> Dorothy

>

>

>

>

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I have read a few things about it as well and will speak to my rheumy next

time. There's been a lot of press lately about these meds.

Thanks for bringing it up.

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:34 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Bone Density

Dorothy,

I have read that Bisphosphonates should not be taken if you have RA. I'd

post the site that has this info but I'm not sure I'm allowed. If you want

to email me directly, I'll forward you the site.

in PA

[ ] Bone Density

Don't recall any mention of bone loss from all the meds we all take. It's

important to have regular bone density tests done, particularly if you're

taking prednisone.

My bone density wasn't terrific 3 years ago, but my latest test showed

osteoporosis in my hip and osteopenia in my spine. I was started on Boniva,

the once-a-month pill to improve bone density....the Sally Field one!!

If you don't go for these exams, please make an appointment soon. They

probably can do it where you go for your mammograms - you'd all better be

doing those!!!

Dorothy

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I can't really say how well the Evista is doing Dorothy, my next test isn't

until late Nov.

I haven't had a problem taking it everyday though, just put it in with the rest

of my morning meds.

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Subject: RE: [ ] Bone Density

Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 3:18 PM

Judy - has your bone density improved with the Evista? I like the Boniva

since it's only once a month!

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In February I had a bone density test and also my annual mammogram. I

still have osteopenia in my lumbar spine, but my T-scores had actually

improved some since the bone density test in 2002. I have been taking

Evista, so I guess it must be working.

Sue

On Monday, August 11, 2008, at 01:51 PM, Freebird wrote:

>  

> In Nov of 2006 while having a mammogram done I also had a bone density

> test and found out I have osteoporosis in my hips and worse in my

> spine.

> I was put on Evista 60mg daily, Calcium 600mg 2x daily, D and

> Magagnesium.

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