Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 7:08:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

cindy@... writes:

> Recently, I was told that if I eat soy my fibroids would grow

> rapidly. Also, I was told that the fibroids are a thyroid disorder.

> Does anyone have any information about this?

>

>

According to what I've read, soy isoflavones have a weak estrogenic effect

and can displace the body's estrogen from estrogen receptors. However, if we

eat too much soy, even its weak effect will cause growth. A doctor also told

me

that there is a theory that, when the fibroid gets big enough, it can make its

own estrogen. I don't know anything about a fibroid thyroid connection.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 7:08:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

cindy@... writes:

> Recently, I was told that if I eat soy my fibroids would grow

> rapidly. Also, I was told that the fibroids are a thyroid disorder.

> Does anyone have any information about this?

>

>

According to what I've read, soy isoflavones have a weak estrogenic effect

and can displace the body's estrogen from estrogen receptors. However, if we

eat too much soy, even its weak effect will cause growth. A doctor also told

me

that there is a theory that, when the fibroid gets big enough, it can make its

own estrogen. I don't know anything about a fibroid thyroid connection.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 7:08:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

cindy@... writes:

> Recently, I was told that if I eat soy my fibroids would grow

> rapidly. Also, I was told that the fibroids are a thyroid disorder.

> Does anyone have any information about this?

>

>

According to what I've read, soy isoflavones have a weak estrogenic effect

and can displace the body's estrogen from estrogen receptors. However, if we

eat too much soy, even its weak effect will cause growth. A doctor also told

me

that there is a theory that, when the fibroid gets big enough, it can make its

own estrogen. I don't know anything about a fibroid thyroid connection.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

come back normal.

about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

[Guest guest]

i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

come back normal.

about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

[Guest guest]

i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

come back normal.

about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

[Guest guest]

hummingbird10458@... wrote:

> i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

> thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

> come back normal.

> about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

> experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

> would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

fibroids are soooooooooo common that it is highly likely a great many other

common disorders in women

will cross over and be present too. including thyroid disorders.

in terms of soy....docs don't know squat for certain.

so much guessing based on so many theories....everyone seems to have a pet

theory and a diet to match

it....too bad we don't have any good studies to go along with it....

[Guest guest]

hummingbird10458@... wrote:

> i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

> thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

> come back normal.

> about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

> experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

> would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

fibroids are soooooooooo common that it is highly likely a great many other

common disorders in women

will cross over and be present too. including thyroid disorders.

in terms of soy....docs don't know squat for certain.

so much guessing based on so many theories....everyone seems to have a pet

theory and a diet to match

it....too bad we don't have any good studies to go along with it....

[Guest guest]

hummingbird10458@... wrote:

> i have never heard of fibroids being a thyroid disorder. i have had my

> thyroid checked many times for many different reasons and the test has always

> come back normal.

> about soy, my doc has recommended eatting soy to help the hot flashes i am

> experiencing now that i am on lupron. he sure didnt mention that the soy

> would cause the fibroids to grow rapidly, wow............

fibroids are soooooooooo common that it is highly likely a great many other

common disorders in women

will cross over and be present too. including thyroid disorders.

in terms of soy....docs don't know squat for certain.

so much guessing based on so many theories....everyone seems to have a pet

theory and a diet to match

it....too bad we don't have any good studies to go along with it....

[Guest guest]

I had positive for hyperthyroid a month ago, today I went to see GI doctor,

and she found my thyroid enlarged and I was pressure stressed ( blood

pressure up and talking a mile a minute and trembling) She scheduled me for

Thyroid ultra sound on Friday and with endocrinologist Mon. back with her the

following week. I had first Lupron shot Feb. 5th, so now I'm not sure what

symptoms belong to the Lupron.

[Guest guest]

I had positive for hyperthyroid a month ago, today I went to see GI doctor,

and she found my thyroid enlarged and I was pressure stressed ( blood

pressure up and talking a mile a minute and trembling) She scheduled me for

Thyroid ultra sound on Friday and with endocrinologist Mon. back with her the

following week. I had first Lupron shot Feb. 5th, so now I'm not sure what

symptoms belong to the Lupron.

[Guest guest]

I had positive for hyperthyroid a month ago, today I went to see GI doctor,

and she found my thyroid enlarged and I was pressure stressed ( blood

pressure up and talking a mile a minute and trembling) She scheduled me for

Thyroid ultra sound on Friday and with endocrinologist Mon. back with her the

following week. I had first Lupron shot Feb. 5th, so now I'm not sure what

symptoms belong to the Lupron.

[Guest guest]

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish,

This is interesting. So, did you get your thyroid checked? Why do you think

there are so many conflicting reports on soy? I only drink a glass a day and

some occasional bean curd (Yummy) but now think I might cut it out all

together. With so much conflicting information maybe I'll switch to a fruit

breakfast ;-) Has anyone else had their fibroid checked? Or have any further

info on this topic?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish,

This is interesting. So, did you get your thyroid checked? Why do you think

there are so many conflicting reports on soy? I only drink a glass a day and

some occasional bean curd (Yummy) but now think I might cut it out all

together. With so much conflicting information maybe I'll switch to a fruit

breakfast ;-) Has anyone else had their fibroid checked? Or have any further

info on this topic?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish,

This is interesting. So, did you get your thyroid checked? Why do you think

there are so many conflicting reports on soy? I only drink a glass a day and

some occasional bean curd (Yummy) but now think I might cut it out all

together. With so much conflicting information maybe I'll switch to a fruit

breakfast ;-) Has anyone else had their fibroid checked? Or have any further

info on this topic?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

No more soy for me after reading this:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Thanks!

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

No more soy for me after reading this:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Thanks!

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

No more soy for me after reading this:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Thanks!

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Hi again Tish,

I was looking into the information you sent me and investigating it further

and found that Hypothyroidism is a common " Fad " diagnosis. How do you make

sure you are getting a legitimate diagnosis? Has you GYN/MD made any

suggestions about your thyroid? or did you do that on your own? Are you

currently on medication for the Hypothyroidism and is it helping your

fibroids?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Hi again Tish,

I was looking into the information you sent me and investigating it further

and found that Hypothyroidism is a common " Fad " diagnosis. How do you make

sure you are getting a legitimate diagnosis? Has you GYN/MD made any

suggestions about your thyroid? or did you do that on your own? Are you

currently on medication for the Hypothyroidism and is it helping your

fibroids?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

Hi again Tish,

I was looking into the information you sent me and investigating it further

and found that Hypothyroidism is a common " Fad " diagnosis. How do you make

sure you are getting a legitimate diagnosis? Has you GYN/MD made any

suggestions about your thyroid? or did you do that on your own? Are you

currently on medication for the Hypothyroidism and is it helping your

fibroids?

Thanks,

Re: About Soy..again and thyroid disorder?

Fibroid growth can be related to thyroid disorders. There have been

at least a couple of more recent studies that have found a connection

between conditions such as subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmunte

thyroid disease and fibroid growth.

One study here on PubMed talks about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2922977 & dopt=Abstract

One way in which a thyroid problem can effect fibroid growth is by

raising estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes high estrogen, low

progesterone and high prolactin. The liver is the biggest processor

of hormones and if there isn't enough thyroid hormone available, it

slows down and is less efficient at removing estrogen from the

system. Situations which raise estrogen such as anovulatory cycles,

exposure to estrogenic toxins, and the pill, interfere with thyroid

function by causing the binding of thyroid hormone (T3) to a protein

making it unavailable to cells (such as in the liver) for energy. A

person can test normally on a thyroid TSH test and still have a

thyroid problem according to some doctors. Other tests are needed to

fully explore a thyroid problem. Also, the current range at what is

considered normal for a TSH test includes levels at which people may

be considered subclinicaly hypothyroid. That is, they are not bad

enough for treatment. A recent study done in the UK indicated that

people should have a TSH test result between 1.0 and 2.0 for optimum

health and that the current range of 1.0 to 4.5 or 5.0 may not be

right. Most doctors today will not treat a person for hypothyroidism

or consider them as hypothyroid until they go over 4.5 or 5.0. For

more on this topic read " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " . It's in

most libraries. To learn about the vaguaries of thyroid testing,

check out this file: http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/thythera.rtf

The problem with eating too much soy is twofold. One, It's estrogen-

like isoflavones cause the binding of thyroid hormone to the protein

in the same way that estrogen does. Soy and other beans also contain

a thyroid inhibiting substance. It's like a mild toxin. To read about

some of soys problems for the endocrine system, check out this site:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ The books of Dr. Ray Peat discuss

this as well.

Believe it or not, there are acouple of studies that indicate that

fibroid tissue does make it's own estrogen. Fibroid tissue was found

to convert androstenedione to estrogens at faster rates than the

uterine tissue. These two studies are:

Nippon Sanka Fujinka Gakkai Zasshi 1984 Oct;36(10):1861-6

Estrogen biosynthesis in human uterine myoma tissue. The distribution

of androstenedione aromatase activity in uterine myoma tissue.

(Article in Japanese)Takamori K, Yamamoto T, Okada H

J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jan;22(1):63-6

Aromatization of androstenedione by normal and neoplastic endometrium

of the uterus.

Yamaki J, Yamamoto T, Okada H

Tish

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/2002 2:51:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

cindy@... writes:

> Hi again Tish,

>

> I was looking into the information you sent me and investigating it further

> and found that Hypothyroidism is a common " Fad " diagnosis. How do you

> make

> sure you are getting a legitimate diagnosis? Has you GYN/MD made any

> suggestions about your thyroid? or did you do that on your own? Are you

> currently on medication for the Hypothyroidism and is it helping your

> fibroids?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

A " Fad " ? Really? My gyn felt my throat and found my thyroid to be enlarged,

so she sent me for a blood test, which showed she was right. My TSH levels

were high, which meant my thyroid was underactive. Hypothyroidism is one

disease that can be scientifically diagnosed. I hardly think it's a fad.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/2002 2:51:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

cindy@... writes:

> Hi again Tish,

>

> I was looking into the information you sent me and investigating it further

> and found that Hypothyroidism is a common " Fad " diagnosis. How do you

> make

> sure you are getting a legitimate diagnosis? Has you GYN/MD made any

> suggestions about your thyroid? or did you do that on your own? Are you

> currently on medication for the Hypothyroidism and is it helping your

> fibroids?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

A " Fad " ? Really? My gyn felt my throat and found my thyroid to be enlarged,

so she sent me for a blood test, which showed she was right. My TSH levels

were high, which meant my thyroid was underactive. Hypothyroidism is one

disease that can be scientifically diagnosed. I hardly think it's a fad.