Re: I really can be strong!!

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Believe me it wasn't an easy thing to do especially after

waiting so long for one of them to show up LOL - pretty much

anything chocolate has always a big downfall for me! I keep telling

myself that my " reward " can come AFTER I reach my goal....but can I

go for a whole year walking by the donuts??

Melody

> In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:58:44 PM Central Standard Time,

> clarag@g... writes:

> I could EASILY sit down and eat a whole dozen

> I could too, especially if they are Krispy Kremes. Better hope I

don't go

> near one till this contest is over!!

> Melody I am so proud of you. Your a much stronger person than I

would have

> been. I would have looked at the loss and thought " I deserve a

treat for doing

> so good " . Glad you were strong enough to turn it down.

>

> ( MWDW@a... )

> #TX 1743, ville

> (south of San )

[Guest guest]

Believe me it wasn't an easy thing to do especially after

waiting so long for one of them to show up LOL - pretty much

anything chocolate has always a big downfall for me! I keep telling

myself that my " reward " can come AFTER I reach my goal....but can I

go for a whole year walking by the donuts??

Melody

> In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:58:44 PM Central Standard Time,

> clarag@g... writes:

> I could EASILY sit down and eat a whole dozen

> I could too, especially if they are Krispy Kremes. Better hope I

don't go

> near one till this contest is over!!

> Melody I am so proud of you. Your a much stronger person than I

would have

> been. I would have looked at the loss and thought " I deserve a

treat for doing

> so good " . Glad you were strong enough to turn it down.

>

> ( MWDW@a... )

> #TX 1743, ville

> (south of San )

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kaptain Judy

It's a lot easier to rationalize my way into a " treat " but if I can

keep this mindset - I WILL win! I want to reach goal so bad!!! I'm

writing in my journal every day and setting little mini goals for

myself. I think the " big picture " was just too much to take all at

once.

Melody

> Melody I am so impressed with you walking past the donuts!! You

know 80% of weight loss is between your ears - and your using it

when you consciously turn down things that doesn't fit in your

weight loss plans! Congratulations! You did good soldier!!

>

> Kaptain Judy

> 4th Infantry Divison Fat Busters

> #OH 91, Reading

>

[Guest guest]

hmmm that's a good question!

I think (but am not sure) that you can do what you'd like on a

chapter level. She just wouldn't be eligible on a State level to be

royalty. No matter how she lost and got to goal - I would

definitely celebrate with her and for her! Reaching goal is a HUGE

deal no matter how it's done and she should be recognized on the

chapter level just like you would any other KOPS!

As far as the Official rules go - I'm sure one of our eteemed A/C's

can answer your question.

Melody

> P.S. Can you tell me if someone reached goal in 2004 and they had

the bypass surgery - are they eligible for chapter queen?

>

> K-Judy

[Guest guest]

hmmm that's a good question!

I think (but am not sure) that you can do what you'd like on a

chapter level. She just wouldn't be eligible on a State level to be

royalty. No matter how she lost and got to goal - I would

definitely celebrate with her and for her! Reaching goal is a HUGE

deal no matter how it's done and she should be recognized on the

chapter level just like you would any other KOPS!

As far as the Official rules go - I'm sure one of our eteemed A/C's

can answer your question.

Melody

> P.S. Can you tell me if someone reached goal in 2004 and they had

the bypass surgery - are they eligible for chapter queen?

>

> K-Judy

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Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

Clara

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Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

Clara

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LOL...now Clara! how can anyone be mad at you??? We love you too

much to EVER be mad You are just quoting the official rules which

is exactly what we needed to hear. I wasn't sure on the chapter

queen part - I knew they didn't qualify on state level, so this is

great info to know!

There is nothing that says you can't make your newest KOPS " FEEL "

like a queen though <G> So do up the celebration TexasTOPS style

and make your newest KOPS feel like a million bucks and treat her

like royalty!!

Melody (who is just holding her breath waiting for one of her

members to make that last 3 pounds to goal by the end of the year!)

> Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you

decide to kick me out of the group - - -

>

> The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the

category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass

surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with

Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and

praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they

will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on

stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

>

> This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have

had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard

feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were

all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

>

> There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9

winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division -

- so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do

any other division contenders.

>

> Hope this helps - -

>

> ((((HUGS)))

> Clara

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LOL...now Clara! how can anyone be mad at you??? We love you too

much to EVER be mad You are just quoting the official rules which

is exactly what we needed to hear. I wasn't sure on the chapter

queen part - I knew they didn't qualify on state level, so this is

great info to know!

There is nothing that says you can't make your newest KOPS " FEEL "

like a queen though <G> So do up the celebration TexasTOPS style

and make your newest KOPS feel like a million bucks and treat her

like royalty!!

Melody (who is just holding her breath waiting for one of her

members to make that last 3 pounds to goal by the end of the year!)

> Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you

decide to kick me out of the group - - -

>

> The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the

category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass

surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with

Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and

praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they

will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on

stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

>

> This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have

had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard

feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were

all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

>

> There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9

winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division -

- so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do

any other division contenders.

>

> Hope this helps - -

>

> ((((HUGS)))

> Clara

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Hi Clara,

Your not making me mad - I'm asking for clarification and I figured some of you guys would have the answers...

I really did think it became effective Jan 2005 but just wanted to clarify.

I see both sides....in the past I probably leaned more toward having the separate division --- but as I learn more from some who have had it... I do believe now that having the surgery doesn't lose the weight for you... you can actually stay the same size and regain anything you do lose if you do not practice healthier eating habits.... soooooo what I'm saying it's not easy even with the surgery and unless you are committed you won't succeed to goal just because you had surgery.

Folks that go the hospital/doctor clinics and drink the milk shakes are every beit of a simililar kind of help to take it off -(and they aren't in a different category or penalized and not allowed to be royalty are they?) they are just using helps available to them.

I'm not compaining at you...

I'm just thinking out loud......: )

I choose TOPS and I'm glad I did for my help.

Kops Judy

Clara Gleghorn wrote:

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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Hi Clara,

Your not making me mad - I'm asking for clarification and I figured some of you guys would have the answers...

I really did think it became effective Jan 2005 but just wanted to clarify.

I see both sides....in the past I probably leaned more toward having the separate division --- but as I learn more from some who have had it... I do believe now that having the surgery doesn't lose the weight for you... you can actually stay the same size and regain anything you do lose if you do not practice healthier eating habits.... soooooo what I'm saying it's not easy even with the surgery and unless you are committed you won't succeed to goal just because you had surgery.

Folks that go the hospital/doctor clinics and drink the milk shakes are every beit of a simililar kind of help to take it off -(and they aren't in a different category or penalized and not allowed to be royalty are they?) they are just using helps available to them.

I'm not compaining at you...

I'm just thinking out loud......: )

I choose TOPS and I'm glad I did for my help.

Kops Judy

Clara Gleghorn wrote:

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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Hi Clara,

Your not making me mad - I'm asking for clarification and I figured some of you guys would have the answers...

I really did think it became effective Jan 2005 but just wanted to clarify.

I see both sides....in the past I probably leaned more toward having the separate division --- but as I learn more from some who have had it... I do believe now that having the surgery doesn't lose the weight for you... you can actually stay the same size and regain anything you do lose if you do not practice healthier eating habits.... soooooo what I'm saying it's not easy even with the surgery and unless you are committed you won't succeed to goal just because you had surgery.

Folks that go the hospital/doctor clinics and drink the milk shakes are every beit of a simililar kind of help to take it off -(and they aren't in a different category or penalized and not allowed to be royalty are they?) they are just using helps available to them.

I'm not compaining at you...

I'm just thinking out loud......: )

I choose TOPS and I'm glad I did for my help.

Kops Judy

Clara Gleghorn wrote:

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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Hi, Judy - -

Thanks for not wanting to kick me out of the group! I don't want to be a busybody know-it-all, but I do try to study the leader's and weight recorder's manuals and keep up with what is changing. The Division 9 rule was effective January 1, 2004; this next SRD will be the first that will recognize that division.

After hearing one of the area-captains, who has had the surgery, talk in Dallas at our field staff meeting, I agree that it is probably just as hard or harder for them to live with the lifestyle they have chosen than it is for the rest of us - - but I guess my feeling is, "If it's that hard to do with the surgery - and they can discipline themselves to do it that way, why couldn't they do it without the surgery?"

There are so many different opinions that it can cause a firestorm!! But TOPS International has made the rule, and we have to live with it, at least for the time being!

Bottom line - - - losing the weight and feeling good and looking good should be more important than whether or not you are Royalty. Even the surgery is not going to guarantee that you'll be Royalty - - there is always the possibility that someone else is going to lose MORE weight, no matter how it's done!

((((HUGS))))

Clara

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Hi, Judy - -

Thanks for not wanting to kick me out of the group! I don't want to be a busybody know-it-all, but I do try to study the leader's and weight recorder's manuals and keep up with what is changing. The Division 9 rule was effective January 1, 2004; this next SRD will be the first that will recognize that division.

After hearing one of the area-captains, who has had the surgery, talk in Dallas at our field staff meeting, I agree that it is probably just as hard or harder for them to live with the lifestyle they have chosen than it is for the rest of us - - but I guess my feeling is, "If it's that hard to do with the surgery - and they can discipline themselves to do it that way, why couldn't they do it without the surgery?"

There are so many different opinions that it can cause a firestorm!! But TOPS International has made the rule, and we have to live with it, at least for the time being!

Bottom line - - - losing the weight and feeling good and looking good should be more important than whether or not you are Royalty. Even the surgery is not going to guarantee that you'll be Royalty - - there is always the possibility that someone else is going to lose MORE weight, no matter how it's done!

((((HUGS))))

Clara

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Hi, Judy - -

Thanks for not wanting to kick me out of the group! I don't want to be a busybody know-it-all, but I do try to study the leader's and weight recorder's manuals and keep up with what is changing. The Division 9 rule was effective January 1, 2004; this next SRD will be the first that will recognize that division.

After hearing one of the area-captains, who has had the surgery, talk in Dallas at our field staff meeting, I agree that it is probably just as hard or harder for them to live with the lifestyle they have chosen than it is for the rest of us - - but I guess my feeling is, "If it's that hard to do with the surgery - and they can discipline themselves to do it that way, why couldn't they do it without the surgery?"

There are so many different opinions that it can cause a firestorm!! But TOPS International has made the rule, and we have to live with it, at least for the time being!

Bottom line - - - losing the weight and feeling good and looking good should be more important than whether or not you are Royalty. Even the surgery is not going to guarantee that you'll be Royalty - - there is always the possibility that someone else is going to lose MORE weight, no matter how it's done!

((((HUGS))))

Clara

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My thought...I believe that this is fair...Having had the surgery myself...and anyone that is being knows...that If we had been strong enough to do it the natural way we would have never opted for the surgery...Most of us and probably all that have had the surgery have all dieted more times than countable and failed...It seems to me only fair for the recognitions to be different...the goals are achieved differently..Right...We all know how hard it is to loose weight the slow healthy way..and there should be greater rewards for that...And for us who have had the surgery...our happiness should not come from the awards...but from the fact that half of the battle was won for us...and we should reward ourself by keeping it off. Keeping it off is the hard part...

Re: Re: I really can be strong!!

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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My thought...I believe that this is fair...Having had the surgery myself...and anyone that is being knows...that If we had been strong enough to do it the natural way we would have never opted for the surgery...Most of us and probably all that have had the surgery have all dieted more times than countable and failed...It seems to me only fair for the recognitions to be different...the goals are achieved differently..Right...We all know how hard it is to loose weight the slow healthy way..and there should be greater rewards for that...And for us who have had the surgery...our happiness should not come from the awards...but from the fact that half of the battle was won for us...and we should reward ourself by keeping it off. Keeping it off is the hard part...

Re: Re: I really can be strong!!

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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My thought...I believe that this is fair...Having had the surgery myself...and anyone that is being knows...that If we had been strong enough to do it the natural way we would have never opted for the surgery...Most of us and probably all that have had the surgery have all dieted more times than countable and failed...It seems to me only fair for the recognitions to be different...the goals are achieved differently..Right...We all know how hard it is to loose weight the slow healthy way..and there should be greater rewards for that...And for us who have had the surgery...our happiness should not come from the awards...but from the fact that half of the battle was won for us...and we should reward ourself by keeping it off. Keeping it off is the hard part...

Re: Re: I really can be strong!!

Judy, here I go again - - - I hope I don't make y'all mad and you decide to kick me out of the group - - -

The TOPS Weight Recorder book says that anyone in Division 9 (the category everyone is in who has had any kind of stomach bypass surgery), cannot be Royalty on any level. However, I agree with Melody that ANYONE who reaches KOPS status deserves recognition and praise! You can honor them at your local chapter level - and they will be recognized as KOPS at SRD, but they cannot be recognized on stage at SRD as Chapter Queen.

This has caused some hard feelings on the part of people who have had the surgery, but on the other hand - it caused some hard feelings on the part of the people who had NOT had surgery and were all being pushed out of the running for any of the Royalty positions.

There will be special recognitions at SRD for the Division 9 winners, just as there is recognition for winners in every Division - - so be sure to list her on your year-end resume just like you do any other division contenders.

Hope this helps - -

((((HUGS)))

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