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What are your plans regarding the fibroids? Are they causing you any

problems? Have they stayed the same size?

Sylvia

At 05:33 PM 3/12/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Sylvia,

>I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

>imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

>they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know

>what

>to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been

>suggested to

>me.

>Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

>03:41:19 PM

>

>Please respond to uterinefibroids

>

>To: uterinefibroids

>cc: (bcc: son/TOR/MMCA)

>

>Subject: need input

>

>

>

>I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

>52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

>fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

>which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

>both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

>doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

>anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

>makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

>Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

What are your plans regarding the fibroids? Are they causing you any

problems? Have they stayed the same size?

Sylvia

At 05:33 PM 3/12/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Sylvia,

>I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

>imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

>they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know

>what

>to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been

>suggested to

>me.

>Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

>03:41:19 PM

>

>Please respond to uterinefibroids

>

>To: uterinefibroids

>cc: (bcc: son/TOR/MMCA)

>

>Subject: need input

>

>

>

>I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

>52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

>fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

>which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

>both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

>doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

>anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

>makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

>Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sylvia,

Please consider keeping your uterus. Hysterectomy is a

convenient way for physicians to treat fibroids, however, it

is very often unnecessary. Physicians get paid substantial

money to perform surgery and they are quite often quite

unfamiliar with alternate procedures.

There are several alternatives for you to consider.

Yes, fibroids are estrogen dependant and often result from

estrogen dominance for several yrs prior to menopause.

However, taking some natural progesterone should help this

condition tremendously.

You need to replace your hormones in order to prevent

cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis. As a nurse, I

treat hundreds of pts that have not taken their hormones and

are suffering with cardiovascular disease and are in

constant pain from osteoporosis.

You can keep your uterus and take natural hormones, both

estrogen and progesterone, to maintain hormonal balance and

prevent future problems that occur because of estrogen and

progesterone deficiencies. Nature never intended us to

outlive our female hormones, only a few hundred yrs ago,

women typically lived only into their forties and never

experienced what we know as menopause.

I am happy to give more detail if you'd like.

need input

I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been

covered before. I'm

52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy

because I developed

fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to

coincide with HRT

which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to

two doctors and

both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to

grow. Neither

doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I

had. Has

anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's

it's estrogen that

makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be

happening.

Thanks for any input you may have.

Sylvia

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Sylvia,

Please consider keeping your uterus. Hysterectomy is a

convenient way for physicians to treat fibroids, however, it

is very often unnecessary. Physicians get paid substantial

money to perform surgery and they are quite often quite

unfamiliar with alternate procedures.

There are several alternatives for you to consider.

Yes, fibroids are estrogen dependant and often result from

estrogen dominance for several yrs prior to menopause.

However, taking some natural progesterone should help this

condition tremendously.

You need to replace your hormones in order to prevent

cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis. As a nurse, I

treat hundreds of pts that have not taken their hormones and

are suffering with cardiovascular disease and are in

constant pain from osteoporosis.

You can keep your uterus and take natural hormones, both

estrogen and progesterone, to maintain hormonal balance and

prevent future problems that occur because of estrogen and

progesterone deficiencies. Nature never intended us to

outlive our female hormones, only a few hundred yrs ago,

women typically lived only into their forties and never

experienced what we know as menopause.

I am happy to give more detail if you'd like.

need input

I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been

covered before. I'm

52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy

because I developed

fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to

coincide with HRT

which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to

two doctors and

both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to

grow. Neither

doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I

had. Has

anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's

it's estrogen that

makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be

happening.

Thanks for any input you may have.

Sylvia

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Hello Sylvia,

I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know what

to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been suggested to

me.

Good luck,

Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

03:41:19 PM

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Subject: need input

I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

Thanks for any input you may have.

Sylvia

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Are your fibroids staying the same size? In my case, that was the one

thing I was concerned about. The doctors did warn that a fast growth may

indicate cancer. I guess that's my fear.

Sylvia

At 05:33 PM 3/12/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Sylvia,

>I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

>imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

>they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know

>what

>to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been

>suggested to

>me.

>Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

>03:41:19 PM

>

>Please respond to uterinefibroids

>

>To: uterinefibroids

>cc: (bcc: son/TOR/MMCA)

>

>Subject: need input

>

>

>

>I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

>52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

>fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

>which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

>both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

>doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

>anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

>makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

>Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Are your fibroids staying the same size? In my case, that was the one

thing I was concerned about. The doctors did warn that a fast growth may

indicate cancer. I guess that's my fear.

Sylvia

At 05:33 PM 3/12/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Sylvia,

>I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

>imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

>they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know

>what

>to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been

>suggested to

>me.

>Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

>03:41:19 PM

>

>Please respond to uterinefibroids

>

>To: uterinefibroids

>cc: (bcc: son/TOR/MMCA)

>

>Subject: need input

>

>

>

>I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

>52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

>fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

>which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

>both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

>doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

>anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

>makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

>Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

Are your fibroids staying the same size? In my case, that was the one

thing I was concerned about. The doctors did warn that a fast growth may

indicate cancer. I guess that's my fear.

Sylvia

At 05:33 PM 3/12/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Sylvia,

>I am 53 and first became aware of my fibroids at 49. I think it is the

>imbalance with the onset of menopause that may trigger fribroids as well but

>they don't really know. I am still having my periods so I also don't know

>what

>to do at this point. A hysterecomy is the only thing that has been

>suggested to

>me.

>Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>Sylvia Altenburger on 03/12/2002

>03:41:19 PM

>

>Please respond to uterinefibroids

>

>To: uterinefibroids

>cc: (bcc: son/TOR/MMCA)

>

>Subject: need input

>

>

>

>I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been covered before. I'm

>52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy because I developed

>fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to coincide with HRT

>which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been to two doctors and

>both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids to grow. Neither

>doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish I had. Has

>anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's it's estrogen that

>makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

>Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/13/02 9:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fdonovan@... writes:

> However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

> without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

> products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

> risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

> will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

>

> Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

>

But, aren't women with fibroids at a risk of causing fibroid growth

if they take any kind of hormone supplement, or even if they

eat too many soy products?

Cheryl

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In a message dated 3/13/02 9:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fdonovan@... writes:

> However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

> without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

> products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

> risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

> will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

>

> Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

>

But, aren't women with fibroids at a risk of causing fibroid growth

if they take any kind of hormone supplement, or even if they

eat too many soy products?

Cheryl

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In a message dated 3/13/02 9:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fdonovan@... writes:

> However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

> without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

> products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

> risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

> will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

>

> Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

>

But, aren't women with fibroids at a risk of causing fibroid growth

if they take any kind of hormone supplement, or even if they

eat too many soy products?

Cheryl

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Marsha,

I am not the least interested in what the synthetic

pharmaceutical companies have to say. I NEVER advocate

synthetic hormones, as I feel they are akin to poison to a

woman.

Nor do I rely upon the headlines and hype about HRT as it is

most always about synthetics!!

Instead, I have painstakingly read every inch and every

detail of the research projects done within the past 15 yrs

including the Framingham Heart Study, the Boston Nurses

Study, the HERS study, etc. etc. Additionally, I read all

the studies from Germany, Gr Britain, Italy and Scandanavia

using natural hormones and they are remarkable.

As I am sure you know......the Pharm Industry wants to sell

us expensive drugs and they know that we are a huge market

(pre and post menopausal women) and they will say anything

to get us to buy their chemicals.

However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

Fran

need input

>

> I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been

> covered before. I'm

> 52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy

> because I developed

> fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to

> coincide with HRT

> which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been

to

> two doctors and

> both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids

to

> grow. Neither

> doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish

I

> had. Has

> anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's

> it's estrogen that

> makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be

> happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

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Marsha,

I am not the least interested in what the synthetic

pharmaceutical companies have to say. I NEVER advocate

synthetic hormones, as I feel they are akin to poison to a

woman.

Nor do I rely upon the headlines and hype about HRT as it is

most always about synthetics!!

Instead, I have painstakingly read every inch and every

detail of the research projects done within the past 15 yrs

including the Framingham Heart Study, the Boston Nurses

Study, the HERS study, etc. etc. Additionally, I read all

the studies from Germany, Gr Britain, Italy and Scandanavia

using natural hormones and they are remarkable.

As I am sure you know......the Pharm Industry wants to sell

us expensive drugs and they know that we are a huge market

(pre and post menopausal women) and they will say anything

to get us to buy their chemicals.

However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

Fran

need input

>

> I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been

> covered before. I'm

> 52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy

> because I developed

> fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to

> coincide with HRT

> which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been

to

> two doctors and

> both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids

to

> grow. Neither

> doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish

I

> had. Has

> anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's

> it's estrogen that

> makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be

> happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

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Marsha,

I am not the least interested in what the synthetic

pharmaceutical companies have to say. I NEVER advocate

synthetic hormones, as I feel they are akin to poison to a

woman.

Nor do I rely upon the headlines and hype about HRT as it is

most always about synthetics!!

Instead, I have painstakingly read every inch and every

detail of the research projects done within the past 15 yrs

including the Framingham Heart Study, the Boston Nurses

Study, the HERS study, etc. etc. Additionally, I read all

the studies from Germany, Gr Britain, Italy and Scandanavia

using natural hormones and they are remarkable.

As I am sure you know......the Pharm Industry wants to sell

us expensive drugs and they know that we are a huge market

(pre and post menopausal women) and they will say anything

to get us to buy their chemicals.

However, most women do not know about natural hormones made

from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the same

risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density mass.

Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

Fran

need input

>

> I just joined this group so maybe this topic has been

> covered before. I'm

> 52 years old and my DR. has recommended a hysterectomy

> because I developed

> fibroids within the last 2 years. These growths seem to

> coincide with HRT

> which I started taking because of symptoms. I have been

to

> two doctors and

> both feel that the HRT would not have caused the fibroids

to

> grow. Neither

> doctor recommended that I stop taking the HRT - now I wish

I

> had. Has

> anyone had the same kind of experience. I'm told that's

> it's estrogen that

> makes these fibroids grow and at my age that should not be

> happening.

>

> Thanks for any input you may have.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

>

>

>

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies

Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably sound like a

complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie. prescription

or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)? Are they

assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as I really

don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies

Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably sound like a

complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie. prescription

or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)? Are they

assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as I really

don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies

Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably sound like a

complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie. prescription

or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)? Are they

assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as I really

don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

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Robyn,

Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

products. Natural compounded hormones can not be patented

because they are derived from natural plant products, soy

and yams and therefore any compounding pharm can make them

and pharmaceutical companies can not put their names on

them. Therefore, the good news for us is that they are much

cheaper.

The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

this herb into progesterone. Compounding pharmacists

convert the dioscorea into progesterone that is recognized

and accepted by our bodies.

They actually are hormones that are biologically identical

to our own hormones. The crèmes sold in healthfood stores

and the synthetics sold in regular pharmacies are not

biologically identical. Which is why they have so many side

effects or, in the case of progesterone (misnomer) crème

found OTC in healthfood stores it is ineffective.

Our bodies do not recognize the chemicals found in Premarin

as natural which is why we have so many cases of side

effects.

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies

Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably

sound like a

complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie.

prescription

or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)?

Are they

assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as

I really

don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

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Robyn,

Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

products. Natural compounded hormones can not be patented

because they are derived from natural plant products, soy

and yams and therefore any compounding pharm can make them

and pharmaceutical companies can not put their names on

them. Therefore, the good news for us is that they are much

cheaper.

The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

this herb into progesterone. Compounding pharmacists

convert the dioscorea into progesterone that is recognized

and accepted by our bodies.

They actually are hormones that are biologically identical

to our own hormones. The crèmes sold in healthfood stores

and the synthetics sold in regular pharmacies are not

biologically identical. Which is why they have so many side

effects or, in the case of progesterone (misnomer) crème

found OTC in healthfood stores it is ineffective.

Our bodies do not recognize the chemicals found in Premarin

as natural which is why we have so many cases of side

effects.

Re: Re: need input

Fran Donovan wrote:

> women do not know about natural hormones made

> from compounding pharmacies

Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably

sound like a

complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie.

prescription

or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)?

Are they

assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as

I really

don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

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Cheryl,

Perhaps, which is why it is vital to balance the estrogen

substances (natural hormones, soy products, isoflavones)

with natural progesterone from a compounding pharm

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In a message dated 3/13/02 9:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fdonovan@... writes:

> However, most women do not know about natural hormones

made

> from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

> without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

> products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the

same

> risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

> will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density

mass.

>

> Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

>

But, aren't women with fibroids at a risk of causing fibroid

growth

if they take any kind of hormone supplement, or even if they

eat too many soy products?

Cheryl

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Cheryl,

Perhaps, which is why it is vital to balance the estrogen

substances (natural hormones, soy products, isoflavones)

with natural progesterone from a compounding pharm

Re: Re: need input

In a message dated 3/13/02 9:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

fdonovan@... writes:

> However, most women do not know about natural hormones

made

> from compounding pharmacies nor do they understand that

> without some form of replacement(soy products, isoflavone

> products, natural hormones) they will be subject to the

same

> risks as men for cardiovascular disease and many of them

> will either get osteoporosis or will lose bone density

mass.

>

> Hope this clears up my philosophy.....

>

But, aren't women with fibroids at a risk of causing fibroid

growth

if they take any kind of hormone supplement, or even if they

eat too many soy products?

Cheryl

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

> only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

> products.

>

> The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

> simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

> effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

> this herb into progesterone.

Um, actually, this isn't true. " Natural " hormones are not all regulated by the

FDA. (Please define

your use of this term " natural " -- as it has several ways in which one could

define it.)

And, progesterone creams sold OTC at health food stores may indeed contain USP

Progesterone -- and not

simply " raw materials from wild yam " . In fact, the majority of these creams

contain ~400mg USP

progesterone per ounce. For a partial list of OTC creams containing USP

Progesterone (as verified via

outside lab), check page 273 of Dr. Love's Hormone Book. Of course, one

could still argue that

micronized progesterone obtained via compounding pharmacy is superior, in terms

of absorption, but

since there seems to be little to no standardization of this product (according

to Dr. Love), even

that is questionable.

The chapter " Hormones: The Menu of Options " in Dr. Love's Hormone book contains

a fairly interesting

discussion of natural vs. synthetic and progesterone vs. progestin. Both eye

opening and extremely

confusing. Dr. Love's closing statement in this chapter: " ...any woman taking

hormones has to

realize that she's part of a large experiment. "

Given the quality of conflicting scientific evidence currently available, I

wholeheartedly agree.

And, while everyone else waits for the Women's Health Initiative to shed some

light on all of this in

2008, I won't be holding my breath at all. A lot of time, money, and energy

spent on this study. But

the arms of the hormone study my mother participated in were flawed. Seriously.

IMNSHO, GIGO. (She

also participated in a dietary arm which was much, much better and I do look

forward to that

information -- but simply have little hope for the hormone data collected.)

Carla Dionne

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

> only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

> products.

>

> The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

> simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

> effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

> this herb into progesterone.

Um, actually, this isn't true. " Natural " hormones are not all regulated by the

FDA. (Please define

your use of this term " natural " -- as it has several ways in which one could

define it.)

And, progesterone creams sold OTC at health food stores may indeed contain USP

Progesterone -- and not

simply " raw materials from wild yam " . In fact, the majority of these creams

contain ~400mg USP

progesterone per ounce. For a partial list of OTC creams containing USP

Progesterone (as verified via

outside lab), check page 273 of Dr. Love's Hormone Book. Of course, one

could still argue that

micronized progesterone obtained via compounding pharmacy is superior, in terms

of absorption, but

since there seems to be little to no standardization of this product (according

to Dr. Love), even

that is questionable.

The chapter " Hormones: The Menu of Options " in Dr. Love's Hormone book contains

a fairly interesting

discussion of natural vs. synthetic and progesterone vs. progestin. Both eye

opening and extremely

confusing. Dr. Love's closing statement in this chapter: " ...any woman taking

hormones has to

realize that she's part of a large experiment. "

Given the quality of conflicting scientific evidence currently available, I

wholeheartedly agree.

And, while everyone else waits for the Women's Health Initiative to shed some

light on all of this in

2008, I won't be holding my breath at all. A lot of time, money, and energy

spent on this study. But

the arms of the hormone study my mother participated in were flawed. Seriously.

IMNSHO, GIGO. (She

also participated in a dietary arm which was much, much better and I do look

forward to that

information -- but simply have little hope for the hormone data collected.)

Carla Dionne

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Fran Donovan wrote:

> Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

> only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

> products.

>

> The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

> simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

> effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

> this herb into progesterone.

Um, actually, this isn't true. " Natural " hormones are not all regulated by the

FDA. (Please define

your use of this term " natural " -- as it has several ways in which one could

define it.)

And, progesterone creams sold OTC at health food stores may indeed contain USP

Progesterone -- and not

simply " raw materials from wild yam " . In fact, the majority of these creams

contain ~400mg USP

progesterone per ounce. For a partial list of OTC creams containing USP

Progesterone (as verified via

outside lab), check page 273 of Dr. Love's Hormone Book. Of course, one

could still argue that

micronized progesterone obtained via compounding pharmacy is superior, in terms

of absorption, but

since there seems to be little to no standardization of this product (according

to Dr. Love), even

that is questionable.

The chapter " Hormones: The Menu of Options " in Dr. Love's Hormone book contains

a fairly interesting

discussion of natural vs. synthetic and progesterone vs. progestin. Both eye

opening and extremely

confusing. Dr. Love's closing statement in this chapter: " ...any woman taking

hormones has to

realize that she's part of a large experiment. "

Given the quality of conflicting scientific evidence currently available, I

wholeheartedly agree.

And, while everyone else waits for the Women's Health Initiative to shed some

light on all of this in

2008, I won't be holding my breath at all. A lot of time, money, and energy

spent on this study. But

the arms of the hormone study my mother participated in were flawed. Seriously.

IMNSHO, GIGO. (She

also participated in a dietary arm which was much, much better and I do look

forward to that

information -- but simply have little hope for the hormone data collected.)

Carla Dionne

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Thanks for the explanation. So, can my gynocologist prescribe these

natural hormones? Robyn

ran Donovan wrote:

>

> Robyn,

>

> Yes, natural hormones are regulated by the FDA and therefore

> only special compounding pharmacies can supply these natural

> products. Natural compounded hormones can not be patented

> because they are derived from natural plant products, soy

> and yams and therefore any compounding pharm can make them

> and pharmaceutical companies can not put their names on

> them. Therefore, the good news for us is that they are much

> cheaper.

>

> The crèmes that are sold OTC at healthfood stores are

> simply the raw materials from wild yam herb and they are not

> effective because our bodies lack the ability to convert

> this herb into progesterone. Compounding pharmacists

> convert the dioscorea into progesterone that is recognized

> and accepted by our bodies.

> They actually are hormones that are biologically identical

> to our own hormones. The crèmes sold in healthfood stores

> and the synthetics sold in regular pharmacies are not

> biologically identical. Which is why they have so many side

> effects or, in the case of progesterone (misnomer) crème

> found OTC in healthfood stores it is ineffective.

>

> Our bodies do not recognize the chemicals found in Premarin

> as natural which is why we have so many cases of side

> effects.

> Re: Re: need input

>

> Fran Donovan wrote:

>

> > women do not know about natural hormones made

> > from compounding pharmacies

>

> Can you tell us more about these pharmacies? I probably

> sound like a

> complete rube, but how does one get natural hormones (ie.

> prescription

> or, like progesterone cream, otc in the health food store)?

> Are they

> assayed, are they regulated by the FDA...just wondering, as

> I really

> don't want to do standard HRT. Thanks, Robyn

>

>

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