Re: Is God making us sick????????

[Guest guest]

Brad and group;

I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this.. I am sure

many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us.. My

theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

If one read about Job he/she will notice is it's Satan that afflicks

Job... God didnt do it he gave Satan right to do it with out

killing Job... My theory is man caused sickness and diseases and some

is even from geneology from curses brought on by sin... this is only

my opinion I am not quoting facts about why we become afflicted with

diseases...

Of course I would not want Gods wrath to come down upon me cause he

can do anything except lie... I read in the bible that God is pure

Truth... Brad I don't know what your religion is or what your

beliefs are,,, but I want to ask you to take all answers about God

the great I am.. with a grain of salt because mankind will guess a

lot and forget to say they are guessing... Ok hon.. So my answer to

your question is NO. Ok back to my reading will answer yesterdays

posts when done with todays readings...

gentle hugs

Clora

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> Thanks everyone for your responses and understanding. Another

> question - For the " walking pharmacies " out there, many of you seem

to

> have disease lists as long as your medication lists. Have you

found

> these to be random " acts of God " that you just come to have these

> diseases, or do you think they are related to inflammation of

organs

> and such caused by RA?

>

> Brad

>

>

> >

> > Hi Brad and all,

> >

> > I also feel like a walking pharmacy since I take at least 18 rx

meds

> > and 6 supplements. Many of my rx meds I take more than once a

day.

> The

> > meds am taking are for GERD, IBS, thyroid cancer, perimenopause,

> > hyperlipidemia and allergies. If I could give up any, it would be

the

> > diuretic and the stomach med carafate. Often feel overmedicated

also.

> > Debbie L

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The God that I know and love shows us nothing but love, understanding and

compassion. To say that he punishes us by visiting illness, disease, starvation

and wars on us is to not understand faith,love and compassion.

Men cause wars. The world produces more than enough food, water and shelter for

everyone but it is man that imposes restrictions.

Diseases and dying are a natural part of living. God gave us the brains to

develop the medicine to help and support us.

To blame God is like a child blaming a parent for when it hurts itself.

From: CLORA <clora4jesus@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Is God making us sick????????

Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 2:50 PM

Brad and group;

I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this.. I am sure

many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us.. My

theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

If one read about Job he/she will notice is it's Satan that afflicks

Job... God didnt do it he gave Satan right to do it with out

killing Job... My theory is man caused sickness and diseases and some

is even from geneology from curses brought on by sin... this is only

my opinion I am not quoting facts about why we become afflicted with

diseases...

Of course I would not want Gods wrath to come down upon me cause he

can do anything except lie... I read in the bible that God is pure

Truth... Brad I don't know what your religion is or what your

beliefs are,,, but I want to ask you to take all answers about God

the great I am.. with a grain of salt because mankind will guess a

lot and forget to say they are guessing... Ok hon.. So my answer to

your question is NO. Ok back to my reading will answer yesterdays

posts when done with todays readings...

gentle hugs

Clora

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> Thanks everyone for your responses and understanding. Another

> question - For the " walking pharmacies " out there, many of you seem

to

> have disease lists as long as your medication lists. Have you

found

> these to be random " acts of God " that you just come to have these

> diseases, or do you think they are related to inflammation of

organs

> and such caused by RA?

>

> Brad

>

>

> >

> > Hi Brad and all,

> >

> > I also feel like a walking pharmacy since I take at least 18 rx

meds

> > and 6 supplements. Many of my rx meds I take more than once a

day.

> The

> > meds am taking are for GERD, IBS, thyroid cancer, perimenopause,

> > hyperlipidemia and allergies. If I could give up any, it would be

the

> > diuretic and the stomach med carafate. Often feel overmedicated

also.

> > Debbie L

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amen to that one. Of course, if we do not take care of our bodies we

will also get sick but that is not God's fault but our own. I have

been healed many times by prayer, however, sometimes, one just has to

go through it and God is there to help. nne

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perimenopause,

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> also.

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[Guest guest]

nne and group;

Indeed your right,,, I think I said that also when I said brought on

by sin... I did add its only my opinion so that no one mistakes me

for a minister...

My daughter happen to read the subject I put on the subject box,,,

Is God Making us sick.. She commented saying " who ever wrote that is

sick. " haaaaaaaaaa... Little does she know I wrote it...

I had a flare earlier I quickly took a lortab and layed down and I

feel much better now.. The lortabs rarely helps ,, they are for my

migrains...

I watched some good shows today... It is really pretty outside.. but

it was really cold during the night.. I watched the weather last

night and turned the heat on cause they said it was going down to 37

degrees f ....

Its a desert here I think... 70 degrees during the day but freezing

at night haaaaaa... God bless everyone and take care..

gentle hugs

Clora

***************************************************************

>

> Hi Clora: I agree with you completely. God does not make us sick

> but we live in a fallen world of sin that makes us sick. nne

>

>

[Guest guest]

This January, my church challenged its members to read through the

Bible in one year. I recently finished the entire Old Testament,

which was, at times, a struggle to get through. The book of Job has

stuck out in my mind since coming down with these symptoms. God

allowed Satan to afflict Job. When I'm having a bad day, I think of

the song " Blessed Be Your Name " . (by Beth and Matt Redman)

" Blessed be Your name in the land that is plentiful, where Your

streams of abundance flow, blessed by Your name. Blessed be Your

name, when I'm found in the desert place, when I walk through the

wilderness, blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, when the

sun's shining down on me, when the world's all as it should be,

blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, on the road marked with

suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your name.

Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the

darkness closes in Lord, still I will say: Blessed be the name of the

Lord. You give and take away. My heart will choose to say, Lord

blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your glorious name "

Christa

>

> nne and group;

>

> Indeed your right,,, I think I said that also when I said brought

on

> by sin... I did add its only my opinion so that no one mistakes

me

> for a minister...

>

> My daughter happen to read the subject I put on the subject box,,,

> Is God Making us sick.. She commented saying " who ever wrote that

is

> sick. " haaaaaaaaaa... Little does she know I wrote it...

>

> I had a flare earlier I quickly took a lortab and layed down and I

> feel much better now.. The lortabs rarely helps ,, they are for my

> migrains...

>

> I watched some good shows today... It is really pretty outside..

but

> it was really cold during the night.. I watched the weather last

> night and turned the heat on cause they said it was going down to

37

> degrees f ....

>

> Its a desert here I think... 70 degrees during the day but freezing

> at night haaaaaa... God bless everyone and take care..

>

> gentle hugs

> Clora

>

> ***************************************************************

> >

> > Hi Clora: I agree with you completely. God does not make us

sick

> > but we live in a fallen world of sin that makes us sick. nne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Christa,

That is beautiful. I have never heard it, but love it already.

I always think of Corrie Ten Boom and her sister. About her sister

saying that they had to thank God for the fleas. They understood

later when they realized that the fleas had protected them. When I

was 8 or 9 she spoke at our church, what a Saint!

I had my first and only horrible miagraine for about 42 hours

recently. I kept saying " The Doxology " over and over hundreds of

times in my mind. When I can do nothing else, I can praise. It has

carried me though many, many times.

I pray everyone finds peace, comfort and joy this day.

Shirley

>

> This January, my church challenged its members to read through

the

> Bible in one year. I recently finished the entire Old Testament,

> which was, at times, a struggle to get through. The book of Job

has

> stuck out in my mind since coming down with these symptoms. God

> allowed Satan to afflict Job. When I'm having a bad day, I think

of

> the song " Blessed Be Your Name " . (by Beth and Matt Redman)

> " Blessed be Your name in the land that is plentiful, where Your

> streams of abundance flow, blessed by Your name. Blessed be Your

> name, when I'm found in the desert place, when I walk through the

> wilderness, blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, when the

> sun's shining down on me, when the world's all as it should be,

> blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, on the road marked

with

> suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your

name.

> Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the

> darkness closes in Lord, still I will say: Blessed be the name of

the

> Lord. You give and take away. My heart will choose to say, Lord

> blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your glorious name "

> Christa

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry for the deaths of your loved ones. I know that you

will be with them. To me that is what makes the longing bearable.

A very old and close friend just had the same thing happen last week

with her daughter and first grandchild. I can not imagine the

anguish for either of you.

When I read your post I thought of going through the same with both

parents. The day that I knew my father was leaving us one song

repeated in my mind. " Higher Ground " This chorus gave me much

comfort.

Lord, lift me up and let me stand,

By faith, on Heaven's table land,

A higher plane than I have found;

Lord, plant my feet on higher ground.

I like your soap box!

Shirley

--- In , " brendabennion " <bennion8@...>

wrote:

>

> Christa,

> I appreciate your bringing up Job! I absolutely love him, and

think

> of Job often, myself. I would love to have his integrity. He lost

> his " money " , and he kept his faith. He lost his children, and he

kept

> his faith. He lost his health... he kept his faith. His wife told

> him, " curse God and die. " He held on. And then, his friends blamed

> him, telling him he had to have messed up somewhere, sinned, that

God

> had cursed him. He said, not true. (and so we should remember,

too.

> Sickness isn't God mad at us... it just is. And He will be there

for

> us!) Job still put his trust in God.

> 6 years ago I lost my son while he was still in utero.

He

> was an active little guy inside me, I felt him for months,

starting

> before one usually feels a little one inside them. He passed away

> inside me from a cord accident. I had already bonded with him.

After

> his birth, I held him for many hours, tracing his lips, his ears,

> looking in his eyes and seeing he wasn't there. His entire head

fit

> in my hand, his legs reached barely down my forearm. But he was

God's

> creation. And my son. We buried him in a small cemetery in our

small

> town. Later, my young daughter and I went to put decorations and

toys

> on his grave. We both, at the same time, felt His spirit there and

> both stated, at the same time, we felt to pray. I can not describe

> for you the feeling, the deep peace, we both felt as we prayed and

> thanked God that had come and been a part of us, even for

> just a second in time. I have a picture of the Savior holding a

baby

> that sits on my wall, next to all the pictures of my other

children.

> I believe I will hold my baby again someday, when I go and live

with

> God too. I believe we will all be a family.

> 3 months after died, my mother called and told me she

had

> cancer. I spent a year caring for her, taking her to treatments,

> trying to help and enjoying what time I had left with her. Mom was

a

> faithful woman, who always taught me " trust God. " . And she did.

> Shortly before she left this world she told me she knew she would

go

> on, living with Him and serving Him in Heaven. I miss my mother

now.

> But in all we went through, I felt that He was with us. I felt Him

> hold her up, and me up, and saw Him hand many times during her

> illness. She never complained. She had cancer, Rheumatoid

Arthritis,

> and Diabetes. She was disabled from RA from 55 years old on.

> Just before she died she told me to go get blood tests. About a

> year after she died I became sick. I hurt everywhere.. I could not

> walk... you know the drill. I prayed like crazy, pleading to know

why

> I was sick. The words, " Why haven't you gotten that blood test? "

came

> into my mind. I got the blood test... RA. When my son died... I

> trusted God. When my mother suffered, I spent hours in prayer,

> leaning on God to comfort her and give me strength to help her and

> raise my family and be a supportive wife, too. But through this

> illness, which I have suffered with knowing what I have, (I had it

> for years not knowing what it was) lying in bed for days, in so

much

> pain and suffering not able to care for my family, pleading with

God

> to please help me. The odd thing is, my faith was tested the most

> here. I would pray and plead for hours. He was there. But I

sometimes

> did not feel it as I felt when my baby and my mother died. I think

my

> mind was clouded more. Recently, in the midst of one of these

> suffer/pray sessions, my mind cleared long enough in the middle of

> the prayer that I could see EXACTLY what I needed to do to. I

needed

> to switch medications. At the time I was on sulfasalizine and

> hydroxychloriquin, and I needed to switch to Enbrel. At my next

> appointment the doctor again told me my blood tests were not

normal

> and was just going to continue the meds and give me a shot. I told

> him, " Not this time. We are switching my medications. " He did. I

feel

> better. Before this, for 2 long years, I thought that maybe I

wasn't

> good enough, that maybe He didn't love me enough because I was not

> good enough. I thought I wasn't " worthy " of His help. It wasn't

so. I

> don't know why I kept my faith before, but during my own crisis I

> lost heart. But Job did not. He knew it wasn't him, and that God

> would not fail him.

> Illness is a part of this world. We can use it to reach

towards

> Him, gain peace and strength, and reach out to others.

> Job is a great one to learn from. Thanks again for reminding

me!

> (Um, sorry for going on so much. If I annoyed anyone please let me

> know! Didn't mean to get on a soapbox!)

[Guest guest]

Since it was brought up, I will very briefly give my opinion. I

believe RA and every other kind of disease to be not an " act of God " as

implying that a Supreme Being brought it on, but rather that it is an

outcome of random factors that together made things favorable for us to

come down with affliction. I believe that as beings who act

unnaturally and use and create things that exist unnaturally (try

pronouncing any ingredient on a shampoo bottle for instance), we set

the stage for our own destruction, not through our moral actions,

though the consequences of those actions can factor into the equation,

but because we go against the flow of nature. I see the earth as a

living organism, much like the human body. Inside each of us right now

are tiny microbes, some good and others not so good. Likewise, the

earth is inhabited by what could be conceived as microbes - plants,

animals, us. Many are good for the planet and some, not so good. It

may sound bad to some, but I see us in the grand scheme as cancers -

not in our noble ambitions as we define them, but rather biologically

to the planet. Through our ignorance of the natural cycles, our wastes

and byproducts are making the environment unfit for human life. Like a

virus within our own bodies, we are beset at times by what I feel is

the planet's immune system - stronger hurricanes, disease from

microbes, changing atmospheric chemistry, global warming, etc. We have

the potential to change all that around and be good microbes again, but

it may be too late now.

But I feel that the poisons we put into our own bodies - the soda, the

processed foods, the polluted air, the chemically treated water, the

heavy medications - it taxes and poisons our systems, just as our

activities poison the planet. I will try every natural path open to me

before I take something into my body that is equivalent to dumping

plutonium in the ocean.

I am not concerned with God. My concern is solely with the planet. I

put my trust in Her.

>

> Brad and group;

>

> I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this.. I am sure

> many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us.. My

> theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

> us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

>

[Guest guest]

I was raised by apathetic cultural Jews, I too am following that path. I'm

pretty sure that a decent combo of genetics and sulfur drugs is why I have

lupus because I would hope that god would have better things to do with his

(or her) time.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Brad Berg <blueworld_of_fire@...>wrote:

> Since it was brought up, I will very briefly give my opinion. I

> believe RA and every other kind of disease to be not an " act of God " as

> implying that a Supreme Being brought it on, but rather that it is an

> outcome of random factors that together made things favorable for us to

> come down with affliction. I believe that as beings who act

> unnaturally and use and create things that exist unnaturally (try

> pronouncing any ingredient on a shampoo bottle for instance), we set

> the stage for our own destruction, not through our moral actions,

> though the consequences of those actions can factor into the equation,

> but because we go against the flow of nature. I see the earth as a

> living organism, much like the human body. Inside each of us right now

> are tiny microbes, some good and others not so good. Likewise, the

> earth is inhabited by what could be conceived as microbes - plants,

> animals, us. Many are good for the planet and some, not so good. It

> may sound bad to some, but I see us in the grand scheme as cancers -

> not in our noble ambitions as we define them, but rather biologically

> to the planet. Through our ignorance of the natural cycles, our wastes

> and byproducts are making the environment unfit for human life. Like a

> virus within our own bodies, we are beset at times by what I feel is

> the planet's immune system - stronger hurricanes, disease from

> microbes, changing atmospheric chemistry, global warming, etc. We have

> the potential to change all that around and be good microbes again, but

> it may be too late now.

> But I feel that the poisons we put into our own bodies - the soda, the

> processed foods, the polluted air, the chemically treated water, the

> heavy medications - it taxes and poisons our systems, just as our

> activities poison the planet. I will try every natural path open to me

> before I take something into my body that is equivalent to dumping

> plutonium in the ocean.

> I am not concerned with God. My concern is solely with the planet. I

> put my trust in Her.

>

>

> >

> > Brad and group;

> >

> > I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this.. I am sure

> > many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us.. My

> > theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

> > us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it was Meister Eckhart who said, " To God, all things are good,

for He made everything in His design. But to man, who has only limited

vision, some things appear good, and others appear evil. "

I think the world, our disease, global warming, etc. etc, etc. is all

happening according to what is desired by God. It is good because God

has made it so. Even the wars we wage, the slaughter, the

environmental degradation - it is all good because that is the will of

God. We are aghast at such a notion, of course, because we don't want

to think of God being anything other than our greatest desires, but we

have limited vision and cannot see the whole Plan. But even the bible

quotes God as saying that he is both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7) but it

is justified because everything is within the design.

That said, one cannot distinguish between the " will of God " and simple

random acts, with or without intended will on the part of the person.

God could be everything or could be nothing. It is each person's idea

of what it is or is not.

>

> The God that I know and love shows us nothing but love, understanding

and compassion. To say that he punishes us by visiting illness,

disease, starvation and wars on us is to not understand faith,love and

compassion.

> Men cause wars. The world produces more than enough food, water and

shelter for everyone but it is man that imposes restrictions.

> Diseases and dying are a natural part of living. God gave us the

brains to develop the medicine to help and support us.

> To blame God is like a child blaming a parent for when it hurts

itself.

[Guest guest]

Well said Brad...thank you!

Audrey

http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/

[Guest guest]

Clora: Where do you live? You mentioned desert so I immediately

thought of where we live in New Mexico.

My hubby and I had to go and get some groceries today. We were

blessed to be able to get a riding cart for me but he had to walk

it. He also has arthritis in his knees. When that job is done I can

rest assured that I will be in my chair for the rest of the day.

nne

>

> nne and group;

>

> Indeed your right,,, I think I said that also when I said brought

on

> by sin... I did add its only my opinion so that no one mistakes

me

> for a minister...

>

> My daughter happen to read the subject I put on the subject box,,,

> Is God Making us sick.. She commented saying " who ever wrote that

is

> sick. " haaaaaaaaaa... Little does she know I wrote it...

>

> I had a flare earlier I quickly took a lortab and layed down and I

> feel much better now.. The lortabs rarely helps ,, they are for my

> migrains...

>

> I watched some good shows today... It is really pretty outside..

but

> it was really cold during the night.. I watched the weather last

> night and turned the heat on cause they said it was going down to

37

> degrees f ....

>

> Its a desert here I think... 70 degrees during the day but freezing

> at night haaaaaa... God bless everyone and take care..

>

> gentle hugs

> Clora

>

> ***************************************************************

> >

> > Hi Clora: I agree with you completely. God does not make us

sick

> > but we live in a fallen world of sin that makes us sick. nne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Brad,

If your here to get help with your RA, then fine. We (I'd) be glad to

offer whatever experience or hope I might be able to share. Posts

like this in my opinion are just to incite debate and controversy.

You throw a post like this here to stir things up then step back and

enjoy the turmoil you cause. If I have to continue to wade through

posts as a result of this sort of " trolling " , I for one will find

another forum. Take your debates elsewhere please. Not interested

and you're managing to do is raise my pain level.

Hopefully our moderator sees through you motives.

> >

> > Brad and group;

> >

> > I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this.. I am sure

> > many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us.. My

> > theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

> > us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing that song, Christa - it is beautiful! God has

blessed us with so much more than this disease has taken away. As hard

as it is at times, if we can keep our focus on Him and the beauty He

has given us all, we can truly feel the blessings. And the RA monster

doesn't have the control!.......Doreen

>

> This January, my church challenged its members to read through the

> Bible in one year. I recently finished the entire Old Testament,

> which was, at times, a struggle to get through. The book of Job has

> stuck out in my mind since coming down with these symptoms. God

> allowed Satan to afflict Job. When I'm having a bad day, I think of

> the song " Blessed Be Your Name " . (by Beth and Matt Redman)

> " Blessed be Your name in the land that is plentiful, where Your

> streams of abundance flow, blessed by Your name. Blessed be Your

> name, when I'm found in the desert place, when I walk through the

> wilderness, blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, when the

> sun's shining down on me, when the world's all as it should be,

> blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your name, on the road marked with

> suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your

> name.

> Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the

> darkness closes in Lord, still I will say: Blessed be the name of

> the Lord. You give and take away. My heart will choose to say, Lord

> blessed be Your name. Blessed be Your glorious name "

> Christa

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. There is no

debate, only the stating of my opinion which is what I expressly said

at the beginning. This kind of retaliatory statement I find

offensive.

>

> Brad,

> If your here to get help with your RA, then fine. We (I'd) be glad to

> offer whatever experience or hope I might be able to share. Posts

> like this in my opinion are just to incite debate and controversy.

> You throw a post like this here to stir things up then step back and

> enjoy the turmoil you cause. If I have to continue to wade through

> posts as a result of this sort of " trolling " , I for one will find

> another forum. Take your debates elsewhere please. Not interested

> and you're managing to do is raise my pain level.

> Hopefully our moderator sees through you motives.

[Guest guest]

BRAD JUST STICK TO OUR RA TOPICS & LEAVE MY LORD & SAVIOR OUT OF IT!

PEACE B WITH U, MELYNDA

________________________________

From: fullwave2 <w8nyy.1@...>

Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:26:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Is God making us sick????????

Brad,

If your here to get help with your RA, then fine.  We (I'd) be glad to

offer whatever experience or hope I might be able to share.  Posts

like this in my opinion are just to incite debate and controversy.

You throw a post like this here to stir things up then step back and

enjoy the turmoil you cause.  If I have to continue to wade through

posts as a result of this sort of " trolling " , I for one will find

another forum.  Take your debates elsewhere please.  Not interested

and you're managing to do is raise my pain level.

Hopefully our moderator sees through you motives.

> >

> > Brad and group;

> >

> > I had to stop my reading and comment quickly on this..  I am sure

> > many of us has diff theories on why and what God does to us..  My

> > theory is that God does not do any thing to us with diseases but heal

> > us or lead us to the right cocktail for it...

> >

>

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LESLEY, U GO GIRL I COULD HAVE NOT SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!! GOD BLESS,MELYNDA

GAMEZ

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From: Brad Berg <blueworld_of_fire@...>

Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:44:08 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Is God making us sick????????

I think it was Meister Eckhart who said, " To God, all things are good,

for He made everything in His design.  But to man, who has only limited

vision, some things appear good, and others appear evil. "

I think the world, our disease, global warming, etc. etc, etc. is all

happening according to what is desired by God.  It is good because God

has made it so.  Even the wars we wage, the slaughter, the

environmental degradation - it is all good because that is the will of

God.  We are aghast at such a notion, of course, because we don't want

to think of God being anything other than our greatest desires, but we

have limited vision and cannot see the whole Plan.  But even the bible

quotes God as saying that he is both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7) but it

is justified because everything is within the design.

That said, one cannot distinguish between the " will of God " and simple

random acts, with or without intended will on the part of the person.

God could be everything or could be nothing.  It is each person's idea

of what it is or is not. 

>

> The God that I know and love shows us nothing but love, understanding

and compassion. To say that he punishes us by visiting illness,

disease, starvation and wars on us is to not understand faith,love and

compassion.

> Men cause wars. The world produces more than enough food, water and

shelter for everyone but it is man that imposes restrictions.

> Diseases and dying are a natural part of living. God gave us the

brains to develop the medicine to help and support us.

> To blame God is like a child blaming a parent for when it hurts

itself.

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