Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 As far as I've understood it... Insulin resistance is a state in which for some reason (genetics? overweight? antibodies? ???), some cells in your body are resistant to the insulin that you produce. You have have enough insulin to process the carbs you eat, but some of your cells have become resistant to the insulin. So you get elevated blood glucose levels for longer periods of time after eating, which stimulates your pancreas to pump out more insulin. Sometimes you pump out much more insulin than you'd otherwise need, but your cells respond much more slowly than in a non-insulin resistant person. So usually, more insulin won't necessarily help. However, people who are type 2 diabetic for a long time sometimes require insulin in order to help their pancreas which has been overworked, having had to compensate for so long. Making your cells more sensitive to insulin (as opposed to resistant) usually involves the following: - exercise, which helps a lot - proper diet: there are many different opinions on this, but often mini-meals are recommended. I eat 30 grams of carbs for my " main " meals (breakfast, lunch & dinner), and 12-15 grams of carbs for my snacks. I eat every 2 or 3 hours. Lots of veggies, lots of fiber (both soluble & insoluble), and I always eat my carbs with fat or protein, never alone. - drugs: metformin has helped me. It's supposed to stop your liver from dumping sugar into your bloodstream, and increase your sensitivity to insulin, while reducing overall insulin levels. One of the major downsides to insulin resistance is feeling hungry all the time, and metformin has helped me to better control my eating habits. You can keep insulin resistance in check if you eat right and exercise and use the proper drugs if you need them. But the underlying problem will still be there. For example, if I were to have another horrid glucose tolerance test (the test where you drink 75 grams of sugar and they test your blood every hour for 3 hours) today, I'd still fail, just like I failed last year before my diagnosis. But on a daily basis, I feel better than I did last year because I've changed my eating habits and started exercising regularly. That is, of course, aside from the hypothyroidism. Once I get that treated, I'll feel a whole lot better overall. blithe I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper () www.thyrophoenix.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Actually, , I wonder if you wouldn't want to test your insulin levels? Or perhaps take a glucose tolerance test? Probably testing your insulin would be more cost-effective. Seeing how thyroid stuff tends to be related to other endocrine stuff, it may be a good idea to have a test done. blithe I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Actually, , I wonder if you wouldn't want to test your insulin levels? Or perhaps take a glucose tolerance test? Probably testing your insulin would be more cost-effective. Seeing how thyroid stuff tends to be related to other endocrine stuff, it may be a good idea to have a test done. blithe I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Actually, , I wonder if you wouldn't want to test your insulin levels? Or perhaps take a glucose tolerance test? Probably testing your insulin would be more cost-effective. Seeing how thyroid stuff tends to be related to other endocrine stuff, it may be a good idea to have a test done. blithe I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hey , What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that I have cut my insulin intake in half. Just a thought, Jeff From: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:12 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Insulin resistance No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hey , What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that I have cut my insulin intake in half. Just a thought, Jeff From: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:12 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Insulin resistance No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hey , What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that I have cut my insulin intake in half. Just a thought, Jeff From: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:12 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Insulin resistance No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Re: Insulin resistance I'm learning hear... I have two blood relatives on my dads side that came up with 'adult onset diabetes' and because I'm 'obese' I'm at risk. So this is something that I try to keep an understanding about. If you are insulin resistant, that means that you are still producing insulin, but with the resistance it's not enough to do the job? Am I understanding that correctly? So you had more insulin to your system from the outside? Is there a way to 'correct' the resistance or will it be lifelong from that point? Topper ()www.thyrophoenix.com On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:18:09 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes: The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked aboutactual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulinresistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,becomes type 2 diabetes.blithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 That's wonderful, tell me more. We've been talking about all the powerful benefits of magnesium, so this would be a plus. I don't know why a person couldnt also have insulin resistance for all the aforementioned reasons. Insulin is insulin, no matter what source it comes from, except for the differences between the short-acting, long-acting, and the different sources of it. If the cells are resistant, then there is still the same problem, and this is what I think is sometimes going on with people who just can't seem to bring their blood sugar down and stabilize it. It is the mitochondria of each cell that "opens up" to receive nutrients, thyroid hormone, insulin, and scores of other things that make the body function properly. RE: Insulin resistance Hey , What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that I have cut my insulin intake in half. Just a thought, Jeff From: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:12 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Insulin resistance No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 That's wonderful, tell me more. We've been talking about all the powerful benefits of magnesium, so this would be a plus. I don't know why a person couldnt also have insulin resistance for all the aforementioned reasons. Insulin is insulin, no matter what source it comes from, except for the differences between the short-acting, long-acting, and the different sources of it. If the cells are resistant, then there is still the same problem, and this is what I think is sometimes going on with people who just can't seem to bring their blood sugar down and stabilize it. It is the mitochondria of each cell that "opens up" to receive nutrients, thyroid hormone, insulin, and scores of other things that make the body function properly. RE: Insulin resistance Hey , What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that I have cut my insulin intake in half. Just a thought, Jeff From: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:12 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Insulin resistance No, with insulin resistance, there's usually plenty of insulin, so no not insulin from the outside, unless you have diabetes that requires it, as in Type I, where no insulin or very little is produced. Insulin resistance means that the insulin is there, floating all over the body, wreaking havoc on everything, because it has nowhere to go, i.e., the cells are resistant to taking it up and using it, as in thyroid hormone resistance. I think that thyroid hormone antibodies, in one instance of it, can have a lot to do with this, as they interfere with EVERYthing under the sun. Then there are a multitude of other things running interference there also, as in poor diet, stress, etc.....This is what I was talking about on this site or anothr one, about antibodies having to do with onset of this indirectly, but I don't know whether there are actually "insulin resistance" antibodies, per se, just from the poor diet, stress, and other disease, i.e., thyroid maybe? However, we DO know that Type I Diabetes literally has antibodies to the cells inside the pancreas that are reponsible for the making of insulin, the beta cells, I think, involved with the pancreas islets? The islets are destroyed in this, and it hasn't been too many yrs since this was found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hmmm... I suppose so, depending on how many other conditions the person has. For example, someone with PCOS might have a more difficult time avoiding glucose intolerance or diabetes. blithe So.. your opinion, please.... If a person may have a tendency to developing a level of insulin resistance.. might it be possible to delay or reduce the likelihood of developing it (to a noticeable degree) by watching how and what they eat and exercising according to their ability? Just curious about your thoughts here... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hmmm... I suppose so, depending on how many other conditions the person has. For example, someone with PCOS might have a more difficult time avoiding glucose intolerance or diabetes. blithe So.. your opinion, please.... If a person may have a tendency to developing a level of insulin resistance.. might it be possible to delay or reduce the likelihood of developing it (to a noticeable degree) by watching how and what they eat and exercising according to their ability? Just curious about your thoughts here... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hmmm... I suppose so, depending on how many other conditions the person has. For example, someone with PCOS might have a more difficult time avoiding glucose intolerance or diabetes. blithe So.. your opinion, please.... If a person may have a tendency to developing a level of insulin resistance.. might it be possible to delay or reduce the likelihood of developing it (to a noticeable degree) by watching how and what they eat and exercising according to their ability? Just curious about your thoughts here... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 It's great that you test and that your numbers have consistently come out good! I wish more people were as conscientious as you... Hmmm... not to be a pain in the butt, but... you might want to make sure that your insulin levels are checked, and not just your fasting glucose. Fasting glucose doesn't actually tell you much, unless it's high. I had consistently good fasting glucose levels, which is one reason my GP didn't think I was diabetic before my diagnosis. Insulin levels will give you more accurate information as to how your body responds to glucose, as will a glucose tolerance test. blithe I get tested every few years when they do the freebies... so far I've been getting 'good scores'. I think they check as part of the Heath Check test that I'll be going in for this fall, too.... ? That's your expertise, it's in there, right? My thyroid issues are a genetic defect... bad TSH receptors.. so that may put me at lower risk for auto immune disorders.. but I consider, too that having mucked up thyroid levels for most, if not all, of my life.. that may in and of itself be a stress to the immune system and cause problems as a result.... I'm glad that you made the suggestion... to make sure that I don't overlook something... sometimes that is easy to do, it takes someone else to spot it for us.... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 It's great that you test and that your numbers have consistently come out good! I wish more people were as conscientious as you... Hmmm... not to be a pain in the butt, but... you might want to make sure that your insulin levels are checked, and not just your fasting glucose. Fasting glucose doesn't actually tell you much, unless it's high. I had consistently good fasting glucose levels, which is one reason my GP didn't think I was diabetic before my diagnosis. Insulin levels will give you more accurate information as to how your body responds to glucose, as will a glucose tolerance test. blithe I get tested every few years when they do the freebies... so far I've been getting 'good scores'. I think they check as part of the Heath Check test that I'll be going in for this fall, too.... ? That's your expertise, it's in there, right? My thyroid issues are a genetic defect... bad TSH receptors.. so that may put me at lower risk for auto immune disorders.. but I consider, too that having mucked up thyroid levels for most, if not all, of my life.. that may in and of itself be a stress to the immune system and cause problems as a result.... I'm glad that you made the suggestion... to make sure that I don't overlook something... sometimes that is easy to do, it takes someone else to spot it for us.... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Jeff, my husband has both. Even with diet and exercise, he needs insulin and metformin. He didn't have insulin resistance for the first 12 years he was on insulin, but then he developed insulin resistance. Jan Jeff Castor wrote: > Hey , > What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes > and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of > magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that > I have cut my insulin intake in half. > Just a thought, > Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Jeff, my husband has both. Even with diet and exercise, he needs insulin and metformin. He didn't have insulin resistance for the first 12 years he was on insulin, but then he developed insulin resistance. Jan Jeff Castor wrote: > Hey , > What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes > and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of > magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that > I have cut my insulin intake in half. > Just a thought, > Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Jeff, my husband has both. Even with diet and exercise, he needs insulin and metformin. He didn't have insulin resistance for the first 12 years he was on insulin, but then he developed insulin resistance. Jan Jeff Castor wrote: > Hey , > What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes > and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of > magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that > I have cut my insulin intake in half. > Just a thought, > Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 There are very intricate mechanisms involved, from person to person, and with different types of diabetes. I have read and seen, over and over, that, with Type II Diabetes, insulin resistance is first and foremost, in a step fashion. Do I assume wrong that, from person to person, the cellular problems for absorption of insulin, is or becomes different with time, depending on what that person's body is being put through, whether it be from other disease, stress, lifestyle, etc.? I know that there are definitely a lot of mysteries that are yet unlocked with Diabetes, yet it's so strange that now they've discovered yet another antibody in the mix, which is probably going to bring ALL these autoimmune diseases together with a commonality, the likes of which the medical profession has not known so far. I said a yr ago that I thought that this was what was going to be found. Sorry to ramble here, but when I think of all the mysterious things about diabetes and thyroid in common, I go off on a tangent! Re: Insulin resistance > Jeff, my husband has both. Even with diet and exercise, he needs insulin > and metformin. He didn't have insulin resistance for the first 12 years > he was on insulin, but then he developed insulin resistance. > > > Jan > > Jeff Castor wrote: > > > Hey , > > What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes > > and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of > > magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that > > I have cut my insulin intake in half. > > Just a thought, > > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 There are very intricate mechanisms involved, from person to person, and with different types of diabetes. I have read and seen, over and over, that, with Type II Diabetes, insulin resistance is first and foremost, in a step fashion. Do I assume wrong that, from person to person, the cellular problems for absorption of insulin, is or becomes different with time, depending on what that person's body is being put through, whether it be from other disease, stress, lifestyle, etc.? I know that there are definitely a lot of mysteries that are yet unlocked with Diabetes, yet it's so strange that now they've discovered yet another antibody in the mix, which is probably going to bring ALL these autoimmune diseases together with a commonality, the likes of which the medical profession has not known so far. I said a yr ago that I thought that this was what was going to be found. Sorry to ramble here, but when I think of all the mysterious things about diabetes and thyroid in common, I go off on a tangent! Re: Insulin resistance > Jeff, my husband has both. Even with diet and exercise, he needs insulin > and metformin. He didn't have insulin resistance for the first 12 years > he was on insulin, but then he developed insulin resistance. > > > Jan > > Jeff Castor wrote: > > > Hey , > > What are the chances of someone having insulin dependent diabetes > > and also insulin resistance? I've started taking larger doses of > > magnesium for a host of reasons & another unexpected benefit was that > > I have cut my insulin intake in half. > > Just a thought, > > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Run with your tangent, ... so much of what we discover here is from folks throwing thoughts in the air and others examining those concepts from a new perspective. It was a comment made by one person, as a suggestion, that got me to time my doses so that I could take one at bed time... it was the end of decades of insomnia and a full nights sleep.... Something that totally profound came from an exchange of thoughts, view points and considerations.... We need to do that as much as we can, I think.... Topper () On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:06:38 -0500 " " writes: There are very intricate mechanisms involved, from person to person, andwith different types of diabetes. I have read and seen, over and over,that, with Type II Diabetes, insulin resistance is first and foremost, in astep fashion. Do I assume wrong that, from person to person, the cellularproblems for absorption of insulin, is or becomes different with time,depending on what that person's body is being put through, whether it befrom other disease, stress, lifestyle, etc.? I know that there aredefinitely a lot of mysteries that are yet unlocked with Diabetes, yet it'sso strange that now they've discovered yet another antibody in the mix,which is probably going to bring ALL these autoimmune diseases together witha commonality, the likes of which the medical profession has not known sofar. I said a yr ago that I thought that this was what was going to befound. Sorry to ramble here, but when I think of all the mysterious thingsabout diabetes and thyroid in common, I go off on a tangent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Run with your tangent, ... so much of what we discover here is from folks throwing thoughts in the air and others examining those concepts from a new perspective. It was a comment made by one person, as a suggestion, that got me to time my doses so that I could take one at bed time... it was the end of decades of insomnia and a full nights sleep.... Something that totally profound came from an exchange of thoughts, view points and considerations.... We need to do that as much as we can, I think.... Topper () On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:06:38 -0500 " " writes: There are very intricate mechanisms involved, from person to person, andwith different types of diabetes. I have read and seen, over and over,that, with Type II Diabetes, insulin resistance is first and foremost, in astep fashion. Do I assume wrong that, from person to person, the cellularproblems for absorption of insulin, is or becomes different with time,depending on what that person's body is being put through, whether it befrom other disease, stress, lifestyle, etc.? I know that there aredefinitely a lot of mysteries that are yet unlocked with Diabetes, yet it'sso strange that now they've discovered yet another antibody in the mix,which is probably going to bring ALL these autoimmune diseases together witha commonality, the likes of which the medical profession has not known sofar. I said a yr ago that I thought that this was what was going to befound. Sorry to ramble here, but when I think of all the mysterious thingsabout diabetes and thyroid in common, I go off on a tangent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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