Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 I'm wondering how many of you have a family history similar to mine.... grandfather died from diabetes complications, uncle was Type 2, controlled by diet and exercise. My sister is Type 1 and has had it for 20 years... she has to have a kidney transplant and is blind from diabetic complications. My brother is also Type 2, doing well on diet and exercise, while I'm Type 2, on medication, and not doing as well as I'd like. Now, last year, both my nephew and my son found out they have it. My son is Type 2, controlling it with diet and exercise, while my nephew is Type 1 on insulin. Recently, my brother-in-law -- father to my nephew who is diabetic -- was diagnosed with Type 2 and controls it with diet and exercise. My son calls it " the family curse " ... he has a good sense of humor about it, tests often, and so far, is doing well. I guess every family has something, and the kids have plenty of people to go to with their questions. Sorry this was so long.... Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 I don't know about literature on it...but before Banting invented insulin and way before meters were available, diabetics who lived an average life span mainly did it by virtue of avoiding carby foods. I don't know whether this was due to accidental discovery or perhaps these people just didn't care for carby foods. Of course, most diabetics died young...but I remember reading this somewhere (probably on the internet)...Vicki << Rick, That was very forward thinking of her... I wonder if there was much literature on low carbing in the 60's. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 I don't know about literature on it...but before Banting invented insulin and way before meters were available, diabetics who lived an average life span mainly did it by virtue of avoiding carby foods. I don't know whether this was due to accidental discovery or perhaps these people just didn't care for carby foods. Of course, most diabetics died young...but I remember reading this somewhere (probably on the internet)...Vicki << Rick, That was very forward thinking of her... I wonder if there was much literature on low carbing in the 60's. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 I don't know about literature on it...but before Banting invented insulin and way before meters were available, diabetics who lived an average life span mainly did it by virtue of avoiding carby foods. I don't know whether this was due to accidental discovery or perhaps these people just didn't care for carby foods. Of course, most diabetics died young...but I remember reading this somewhere (probably on the internet)...Vicki << Rick, That was very forward thinking of her... I wonder if there was much literature on low carbing in the 60's. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:05:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG wise. > Far worse than anything else. > > Rick, " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. If you tolerate beans, you can enjoy them in chili or straight up with or without cheese and/or salsas or tomato/onion/pepper sauces. Carol T.......made a " chili-relleno " quiche last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:05:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG wise. > Far worse than anything else. > > Rick, " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. If you tolerate beans, you can enjoy them in chili or straight up with or without cheese and/or salsas or tomato/onion/pepper sauces. Carol T.......made a " chili-relleno " quiche last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:05:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG wise. > Far worse than anything else. > > Rick, " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. If you tolerate beans, you can enjoy them in chili or straight up with or without cheese and/or salsas or tomato/onion/pepper sauces. Carol T.......made a " chili-relleno " quiche last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 One of the primary treatments for diabetes, before oral meds, and insulin, was low carb, high protein way of eating. When the medications came out, the diet thinking changed, (my guess is influenced by the drug co's) to eating more carbs... and taking meds. btw I eat plenty of " normal food " and very little manufactured food.. I'd rather eat 15 extra carbs than eat that plastic or cardboard type food. Plus the cost of eating the manufactured stuff, is pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 One of the primary treatments for diabetes, before oral meds, and insulin, was low carb, high protein way of eating. When the medications came out, the diet thinking changed, (my guess is influenced by the drug co's) to eating more carbs... and taking meds. btw I eat plenty of " normal food " and very little manufactured food.. I'd rather eat 15 extra carbs than eat that plastic or cardboard type food. Plus the cost of eating the manufactured stuff, is pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:41:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > ). I need to re-order my thinking > in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus > the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though > because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. > > Hi Rick, Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose (H) for them. Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:41:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > ). I need to re-order my thinking > in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus > the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though > because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. > > Hi Rick, Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose (H) for them. Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In a message dated 1/15/02 3:41:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, rick@... writes: > ). I need to re-order my thinking > in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus > the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though > because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. > > Hi Rick, Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose (H) for them. Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Sandy wrote: > Rick wrote: > > My Mom was diagnosed T2 in about 1965 when she was in her late 30's. I > didn't know this until I started quizzing her one day. I remember her > checking her urine for " ketones " as a kid (me, not her ) ). I > found out later that she was " low-carbing " at the time. > > Rick, > That was very forward thinking of her... I wonder if there was much > literature on low carbing in the 60's. > > Sandy Sandy, I'm not sure how much info was available and I don't think Atkins published his 1st book until the early 70's. She did mention that she did the Atkins diet for quite a while, but I'm not sure when that was. I know the the " family " she cooked for had lots of " meat & potato " dinner, plus a lot of Mexican Food. My Mom is the world's best Mexican Food cook... " Hey Mom, I'm bringing my List-Mates over for Mexican Food! " ) <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG wise. Far worse than anything else. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Sandy wrote: > Rick wrote: > > My Mom was diagnosed T2 in about 1965 when she was in her late 30's. I > didn't know this until I started quizzing her one day. I remember her > checking her urine for " ketones " as a kid (me, not her ) ). I > found out later that she was " low-carbing " at the time. > > Rick, > That was very forward thinking of her... I wonder if there was much > literature on low carbing in the 60's. > > Sandy Sandy, I'm not sure how much info was available and I don't think Atkins published his 1st book until the early 70's. She did mention that she did the Atkins diet for quite a while, but I'm not sure when that was. I know the the " family " she cooked for had lots of " meat & potato " dinner, plus a lot of Mexican Food. My Mom is the world's best Mexican Food cook... " Hey Mom, I'm bringing my List-Mates over for Mexican Food! " ) <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG wise. Far worse than anything else. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Carol wrote: > Rick writes: > > > <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG > wise. Far worse than anything else. > > > Rick, > > " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican > food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour > tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can > enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis > and seasoned meat entres work well. If you tolerate beans, you can > enjoy them in chili or straight up with or without cheese and/or > salsas or tomato/onion/pepper sauces. > Carol, You are right. When I say, " Mexican Food " , my mind immediately goes to Enchiladas, Chimichangas, Burritos, Quesadillas, Tostadas, etc. (oh man! now I've gone and done it! I'm craving). I need to re-order my thinking in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Carol wrote: > Rick writes: > > > <sob> No more of that for me! Mexican Food absolutely KILLS me BG > wise. Far worse than anything else. > > > Rick, > > " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican > food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour > tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can > enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis > and seasoned meat entres work well. If you tolerate beans, you can > enjoy them in chili or straight up with or without cheese and/or > salsas or tomato/onion/pepper sauces. > Carol, You are right. When I say, " Mexican Food " , my mind immediately goes to Enchiladas, Chimichangas, Burritos, Quesadillas, Tostadas, etc. (oh man! now I've gone and done it! I'm craving). I need to re-order my thinking in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Carol wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy > beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams > of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I > control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose > (H) for them. > Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm > > Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for > dinner > Ok.... That's it! I'm going to go eat dinner now. I can't take theses desirable images running through my head any longer. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Carol wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy > beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams > of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I > control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose > (H) for them. > Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm > > Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for > dinner > Ok.... That's it! I'm going to go eat dinner now. I can't take theses desirable images running through my head any longer. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Carol wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > Now that you've become a creative thinker, try Eden brand black soy > beans.....I make no profit on this suggestion. <g> For every 8 grams > of carb, there are 7 grams of fiber. They have NO impact on my bgs (I > control with diet and exercise) and my husband doesn't have to dose > (H) for them. > Try them in chili. Mmmmmmm > > Carol T........ready to defrost a batch of chili from the freezer for > dinner > Ok.... That's it! I'm going to go eat dinner now. I can't take theses desirable images running through my head any longer. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. How about substituting guacamole for the beans? I can tolerate the corn tortillas just fine, but when I add the beans, it's just too much. I was having flower tortillas, thinking they were better than the corn ones, and I just checked my corn tortillas package... they're only 9 grams of carbs per tortilla, while the flour are about 16 grams for a small tortillas. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. How about substituting guacamole for the beans? I can tolerate the corn tortillas just fine, but when I add the beans, it's just too much. I was having flower tortillas, thinking they were better than the corn ones, and I just checked my corn tortillas package... they're only 9 grams of carbs per tortilla, while the flour are about 16 grams for a small tortillas. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 " Mexican food " covers a lot of territory. I do make and eat mexican food all the time. You may not be able to eat all you want of flour tortillas and gorge on chips, but there are lots of dishes you can enjoy. If you are on a lower carb plan, chili rellenos, meaty chilis and seasoned meat entres work well. How about substituting guacamole for the beans? I can tolerate the corn tortillas just fine, but when I add the beans, it's just too much. I was having flower tortillas, thinking they were better than the corn ones, and I just checked my corn tortillas package... they're only 9 grams of carbs per tortilla, while the flour are about 16 grams for a small tortillas. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Also, La Tortilla makes some pretty good lowcarb tortillas -- they really ARE lowcarb, though some people may have more of a BG rise than others, another YMMV thingie. So tortillas don't have to be a no-no. Available online. Vicki << You are right. When I say, " Mexican Food " , my mind immediately goes to Enchiladas, Chimichangas, Burritos, Quesadillas, Tostadas, etc. (oh man! now I've gone and done it! I'm craving). I need to re-order my thinking in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Also, La Tortilla makes some pretty good lowcarb tortillas -- they really ARE lowcarb, though some people may have more of a BG rise than others, another YMMV thingie. So tortillas don't have to be a no-no. Available online. Vicki << You are right. When I say, " Mexican Food " , my mind immediately goes to Enchiladas, Chimichangas, Burritos, Quesadillas, Tostadas, etc. (oh man! now I've gone and done it! I'm craving). I need to re-order my thinking in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Also, La Tortilla makes some pretty good lowcarb tortillas -- they really ARE lowcarb, though some people may have more of a BG rise than others, another YMMV thingie. So tortillas don't have to be a no-no. Available online. Vicki << You are right. When I say, " Mexican Food " , my mind immediately goes to Enchiladas, Chimichangas, Burritos, Quesadillas, Tostadas, etc. (oh man! now I've gone and done it! I'm craving). I need to re-order my thinking in regards to Mexican Food. A tortilla-less Tostada would be great, plus the meaty chilis you mention. I do need to be careful there though because I suspect that the beans play a big part with my intolerance. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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