Re: Unusual and Exotic meats

[Guest guest]

You can look up " wild meats " from farms in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Several ship. You can find elk, caribou, wild boar etc this way.

You cannot find bear this way. First of all, I'm pretty sure it is

illegal unless you hunt it yourself. There are very few licences

granted for bear. Second, bear is REALLY greasy and gamey. It makes

goose seem like chicken.

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> Does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of some

> Caribou or Bear?

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> I know its an outrageous request but, i havent talked to

> anyone who has tried either of these! help would be very

> much appreciated!!

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> Bris

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[Guest guest]

Ew greasy! Well i just thought " the indians ate it so why not? "

Would i also be able to find oxen this way?

should i just google it? Or where should i look?

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> You can look up " wild meats " from farms in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

> Several ship. You can find elk, caribou, wild boar etc this way.

>

> You cannot find bear this way. First of all, I'm pretty sure it is

> illegal unless you hunt it yourself. There are very few licences

> granted for bear. Second, bear is REALLY greasy and gamey. It makes

> goose seem like chicken.

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> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of some

> > Caribou or Bear?

> >

> > I know its an outrageous request but, i havent talked to

> > anyone who has tried either of these! help would be very

> > much appreciated!!

> >

> >

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> > Bris

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[Guest guest]

A long time ago, my boyfriend at the time's fathers friend caught a

bear while hunting in Canada. They gave some to his father and he

made stew with it. I rather liked it. I didn't find it to be any

more gamey than deer. Bertie

[Guest guest]

On 8/13/06, briseis_of.troy <briseis_of.troy@...> wrote:

>

> Does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of some

> Caribou or Bear?

>

> I know its an outrageous request but, i havent talked to

> anyone who has tried either of these! help would be very

> much appreciated!!

>

> Bris

In the states that fairly simple. Just look up wild or exotic meats.

There is an exotic meat store in the city in which I live (Seattle).

They ship too.

Personally, I prefer not to eat anything that can look me directly in

the eye, like dogs, cats, and bears. I posted an article about this

awhile back when I was active on the list. I have posted it again

below my sig line.

Enjoy,

--

" Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in

a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave

national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home,

or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we

did not blindly rally behind it. "

General MacArthur,

WWII Supreme Allied Commander of the Southwest Pacific, Supreme United

Nations Commander

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Anarcho-Carnivorism

I get emails from vegetarians, and hear from them in the street, that

their only objection to eating animals is that it's wrong to kill and

eat " sentient " beings. I contend that we can't live, period, without

eating living things, and that any species' level of sentience is at a

point on a continuum, not a cosmic on/off selection.

" Sentience " is basically sense perception, or consciousness.

" Consciousness " is basically an awareness of oneself and one's

surroundings; some definitions include thought and will, or awareness

of one's own thoughts. I say " basically " because philosophers may

never agree on what consciousness is. Any list of criteria we can

develop can be duplicated by a computer, while we remain unwilling to

accept that a computer is conscious (so far).

To start at the bottom of the food chain, we know that electromagnetic

fields generated by living plants show a dip in activity following

environmental events we wouldn't expect the plants to sense, much less

react to. One environmental event tested was the killing of a goldfish

or something else across the room from the plant.

Thus, in at least some rudimentary way, we have evidence that plants

can experience something on the order of sadness. This is remarkable,

as plants don't have organs we'd associate with consciousness at all.

But we do know beyond a doubt that plants react to events we wouldn't

even expect them to detect.

Then we have plants that overtly react to their environment, such as

the Venus Fly Trap. We know that this plant senses and reacts. We

don't know whether the plant has a consciousness, and might never

know. We can't communicate with plants today, but that doesn't mean

never. We didn't think we could communicate with apes until we taught

a few how to type.

I wouldn't be surprised if we discover that some plants meet more of

the criteria for consciousness than some non-plant critters, such as

flatworms. So now, the moral vegetarians have to decide which plants

they can eat, based on the criterion of level of sentience.

You see where this is going: Level of sentience is a continuum, with

humans at the top of it on this planet. Whatever you eat, you are

depriving living things of a continued, possibly conscious, existence.

You're selecting a point on that continuum at which you'll begin

eating, even if you mistakenly believe you're eating only

non-conscious life forms.

The trick to being a moral eater, then, is being aware of where on the

continuum you're stepping in and ending other creatures' lives.

Carnivores like me step in nearer the top than do vegetarians. How do

we make our choices?

I can't speak for other folks, but I don't eat other mammalian

carnivores. Cats, dogs, and bears seem too much like kinfolk. If their

eyes are in the front of their heads, like ours, rather than on the

sides, like a rabbit's, they're my cousins. They're generally

intelligent. Such animals should be domesticated as companions, left

alone, or driven away or killed if they get too uppity, competing with

me for resources or chasing my children. Besides, most of their meat

would probably be tough and stringy as food.

Animals with eyes on the sides of their heads are prey. They're born

knowing they're prey. All their instincts tell them to do nothing but

hide, eat, and reproduce. They never get to relax in the sun. They eat

their young if they fear detection. Their general stupidity is

probably nature's salve for their cringing existence. I've known

someone who had a pet bunny rabbit. That rabbit was a useless,

unaffectionate, unresponsive waste of pet food.

I would bet that nature deliberately made it the case that predators

have difficulty emotionally bonding with prey. I have seen, however, a

cat bond with a bear in a zoo. Predators recognize like minds.

Horses and oxen are prey animals, but we (at least in the Americas)

generally have found them more economically valuable for work and

entertainment than for food. Work animals can be tough meat, too.

For fish and sea mammals, the no-predators rule seems to be overridden

by the intelligence rule for most of us. I find myself in agreement.

Sharks are unfathomably stupid, and can be quite tender when simmered.

Dolphins also seem to have little regard for sharks, and will attack

them (punching them to death with their noses) on sight.

So there's the bargain: You select a point on the consciousness

continuum at which you're willing to step in, kill, and eat. Any point

on the continuum you select is arbitrary, and selecting plants doesn't

necessarily mean you're selecting the dumbest creatures available. I

plan to keep eating the red meat out of which some of our most

delicious fellow earth travelers are made.

Why eat meat at all? That's an easier question. God commanded us to

eat meat in the book of Leviticus. On the other hand, if you're an

atheist, then just look in a mirror. Your eyes are on the front of

your face, and you have teeth made for eating meat. We wouldn't have

evolved either without it being to our nutritional advantage, and once

it's been to our nutritional advantage for a million years or so,

we're not going to undo that by trying to play nice.

And what's " anarcho " about being a carnivore? Nothing, intrinsically;

but you tend to find more paleolibertarians among carnivores than

among vegans, perhaps because paleolibertarians are the ones among us

who are willing to own up to truths that are uncomfortable for a lot

of folks.

So enough, already: Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side. Pork is

the other white meat; beef is what's for dinner; and a day without

pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is like a day without sunshine.

September 29, 2004

Brad Edmonds [freedomwins2001@...], author of the new book,

There's a Government in Your Soup (http://tinyurl.com/r58p2), writes

from Alabama.

[Guest guest]

I think if you google game meats, you'll find what you are looking

for.

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> > >

> > > Does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of some

> > > Caribou or Bear?

> > >

> > > I know its an outrageous request but, i havent talked to

> > > anyone who has tried either of these! help would be very

> > > much appreciated!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bris

> > >

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[Guest guest]

It is the magic of stews. I promise.

--- In , " Bertie " <bjvarmuzek@...>

wrote:

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> A long time ago, my boyfriend at the time's fathers friend caught a

> bear while hunting in Canada. They gave some to his father and he

> made stew with it. I rather liked it. I didn't find it to be any

> more gamey than deer. Bertie

>