Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

[Guest guest]

We switched to cooking with coconut oil in June, although we use olive oil

for salad dressing and bread. In the last 2 1/2 weeks, the scale finally

started dropping about 2 lbs/week. The big change I made right before the

scale starting going down was upping my fiber intake to about 35 grams/day.

I had already tried limiting bread and rice, with a little success.

Trying to eat that much fiber is tough and I wind up eating a lot of beans

and two large salads daily. For budget reasons, we've also cut back on how

much cheese we've been eating. Also, since I eat less bread, I've been

eating less butter.

I should also note that I've been sick and my baby went through a growth

spurt recently, which probably helped with the weight loss. But I think that

eating more fiber is what has made the biggest difference, along with less

cheese. So I guess I'm not really eating more fat...but I'm losing weight

without dieting or exercising (been too tired) and to me, that's close

enough!

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On 8/5/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> Anybody lose weight on this " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " thing? I've been

> kind of half-heartedly trying (book says at 5'7 " up to 170 lbs can

> be a healthy weight but I'd much rather look like I did when I was a

> teenager!) So far I've gained 3 lb. I have to say I'm rather more

> successful at incorporating fatty foods than eliminating carbs!

Well weight gain would certainly be expected if you are adding fat but

not replacing anything with it. I don't know how much you'll need to

cut your carbs, but to whatever degree you are adding fat you should

but cutting carbs to try to maintain your overall calorie intake.

Chris

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On 8/5/06, <sh7joy1@...> wrote:

> This should be interesting since I do NOT like coconut oil!

Just curious -- what brands of coconut oil have you tried?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

, not rambling at all! Just take lots of pictures so when

you're 40 you can look at them and appreciate how good you looked!

- Renate

[Guest guest]

I thought the whole point of eating more fat was it was supposed to

fill the calorie needs so you get hungry less. So wouldn't the hunger

stop when I eat however many calories my body decides it needs,

whether it's from fat or carbs? I guess my impression was that it

would be " painless " dieting - the fat would fill me so I wouldn't want

the carbs as much and would be eating roughly the same amount of

calories but from different sources, but the blood sugar fluctuations

from the carbs would be decreased so there would be less eating due to

low blood sugar. I know earlier you said to eat more oil if I was

still hungry (well, you said it to somebody else) to take away the

cravings/hunger. I haven't really tried that yet, but really I seem

less hungry and able to go bewteen meals better without eating.

That's why I'm so disappointed that I'm gaining instead of losing

weight.

Then there's the tempting " in between " stuff, like Nutella has 50% of

the calories from fat, so if I needed to eat a carb/sweet/chocolate,

wouldn't that be the ideal one?

I think my diet is fairly healthy - today the carbs I ate were all-

grain sourdough bread, some corn chips at a Mexican restaurant (just a

few), a little rice, and a tortilla. The bulk of it is fruit, eggs,

bacon and meats, cheese, vegetables, and raw milk. I'd guess I'm only

getting around 300 calories a day from starchy type carbs like

breads/grains or sweets.

>> Well weight gain would certainly be expected if you are adding fat

but

> not replacing anything with it. I don't know how much you'll need to

> cut your carbs, but to whatever degree you are adding fat you should

> but cutting carbs to try to maintain your overall calorie intake.

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Not any of the " good " ones I'm sure! I've tried Spectrum, NOW and

Nutiva. I can handle Nutiva and I've heard that the flavor is pretty

comparable with Wilderness Family.

>

> > This should be interesting since I do NOT like coconut oil!

>

> Just curious -- what brands of coconut oil have you tried?

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

> I think my diet is fairly healthy - today the carbs I ate were all-

> grain sourdough bread, some corn chips at a Mexican restaurant (just a

> few), a little rice, and a tortilla. The bulk of it is fruit, eggs,

> bacon and meats, cheese, vegetables, and raw milk. I'd guess I'm only

> getting around 300 calories a day from starchy type carbs like

> breads/grains or sweets.

It sounds like you ate way more than 300 calories of starchy foods today.

1/2 c cooked brown rice 108 calories

1 oz tortilla chips 142 calories

1 med slice sourdough bread 69 calories

Total 319

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing you ate more than 1/2 c of rice. Also,

" just a few " corn chips could easily be an ounce. I didn't even include the

tortilla in the calorie count above. Serving sizes are so rediculously

small. When I counted calories for a while, I realized that is was very easy

to eat 2 cups of rice and get 400+ calories from them. I'd have been better

off eating 6 oz of ground beef, because it would be more filling and more

nutritious.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

....Then there's the tempting " in between " stuff, like Nutella has 50% of

> the calories from fat, so if I needed to eat a carb/sweet/chocolate,

> wouldn't that be the ideal one?

Haeklers,

what on earth are you thinking? Nutella's heinous:

(scroll all the way down)

http://www.virtualitalia.com/recipes/nutella.shtml

<faints>

tb

[Guest guest]

On 8/5/06, <sh7joy1@...> wrote:

> Not any of the " good " ones I'm sure! I've tried Spectrum, NOW and

> Nutiva. I can handle Nutiva and I've heard that the flavor is pretty

> comparable with Wilderness Family.

I'm not sure about NOW, but I consider Nutiva one of the best ones.

Spectrum is absolutely awful.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 8/5/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I thought the whole point of eating more fat was it was supposed to

> fill the calorie needs so you get hungry less. So wouldn't the hunger

> stop when I eat however many calories my body decides it needs,

> whether it's from fat or carbs?

By your description it would seem that isn't quite working, if you are

not able to cut down the carbs, or by virtue of the fact that you are

gaining weight (unless you're under your ideal weight).

> I guess my impression was that it

> would be " painless " dieting - the fat would fill me so I wouldn't want

> the carbs as much and would be eating roughly the same amount of

> calories but from different sources, but the blood sugar fluctuations

> from the carbs would be decreased so there would be less eating due to

> low blood sugar. I know earlier you said to eat more oil if I was

> still hungry (well, you said it to somebody else) to take away the

> cravings/hunger. I haven't really tried that yet, but really I seem

> less hungry and able to go bewteen meals better without eating.

> That's why I'm so disappointed that I'm gaining instead of losing

> weight.

Well that's certainly a good thing, and probably from the increased

fat. But just adding fat to your meal won't make you " automatically "

reduce your carbs. In order to eat fewer carbs, you have to actually

eat fewer carbs.

> Then there's the tempting " in between " stuff, like Nutella has 50% of

> the calories from fat, so if I needed to eat a carb/sweet/chocolate,

> wouldn't that be the ideal one?

I honestly don't know what Nutella is.

> I think my diet is fairly healthy - today the carbs I ate were all-

> grain sourdough bread, some corn chips at a Mexican restaurant (just a

> few), a little rice, and a tortilla. The bulk of it is fruit, eggs,

> bacon and meats, cheese, vegetables, and raw milk. I'd guess I'm only

> getting around 300 calories a day from starchy type carbs like

> breads/grains or sweets.

Well if you are gaining weight, then you need to tweak what you're

doing, either by eating less, exercising more, or playing with your

macronutrient ratios. Fat is important for making you full, but in

terms of fat-burning, it isn't so much as the fat turning on

fat-burning as it is the carbs shutting it off. So if you're still

eating enough carbs to sufficiently suppress fat-burning and to

sufficiently promote fat-storing, then you're probably going to gain

weight. I would suggest reducing your carbs substantially, seeing how

you respond, and then modifying your diet accordingly to adjust to

whatever rate you want to lose weight at.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure about NOW, but I consider Nutiva one of the best ones.

> Spectrum is absolutely awful.

>

Nutiva's lovely...got the beautiful crystalline appearance. Unsure

why that's desirable, but the coconut know-it-alls say it's so.

tb

[Guest guest]

On 8/5/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> (scroll all the way down)

>

> http://www.virtualitalia.com/recipes/nutella.shtml

Yikes, I would stay the hell away from that.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>

> > (scroll all the way down)

> >

> > http://www.virtualitalia.com/recipes/nutella.shtml

>

> Yikes, I would stay the hell away from that.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

would that be because of the ingredients or corny advertising?

[Guest guest]

aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any other

foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted that I

have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to go

from here. I like meat, but not enough to have it for breakfast

lunch and dinner.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

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Good Luck and I will be praying for you!!

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--- In , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...>

wrote:

> aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any other

> foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

taro chips?

> And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

> break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted that I

> have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to go

> from here...

radiantrecovery.com

miracles happen. apply NT principles and you're golden.

tb

[Guest guest]

Well, I have to say that I eat very little to no carbs most of the time

except vegetables and I have increased my fat intake but I have also gained

weight but still feel the coconut oil and saturated fats are important. I

am different though as I have struggled with my weight all my life and I am

still very overweight. I am in my 50’s and the only way I have been able to

lose weight in the past 6 years was when I went on a diet of 800 calories a

day ( Ferman's 6 week weight loss). Obviously that is not a good

solution and I have been searching for why I still cannot loose. I also

spent four years at the gym spending 45 min. to one hour a day on the

treadmill or step machine or some other machine like that 6 times a week. I

also did weights 3 times a week. I worked out with a guy who has been body

building for about 30 years and he couldn’t believe I did not lose weight

either. I lifted some pretty heavy weights for a woman. On a normal day

I have a smoothie in the morning containing kefir, 2 tbls. of coconut oil, 4

or 5 strawberries and 1 or two raw eggs. For lunch I have a bowl of

homemade soup loaded with vegetables but no grains. Dinner I have a half a

chicken breast with some veggies. No snacking and no eating at night. I

drink 3-5 quarts of water a day as well as 16 oz. of kombucha. I have been

working on my adrenals and thyroid (taking iodine but no thyroid meds) and

still no weight loss. It is very frustrating as I have little tiny friends

who eat 4 times what I eat. I have considered gastric bypass but know that

is not a good solution either especially after a friend of mine just went

through it last year. So believe me I know how you feel. I will say

though that since changing to the WAP way of eating I have seen improvements

in my health and I have to assume that is better than nothing, so I just

keep plugging along hoping to find what it is that is causing this. I

believe I have screwed my body up by yo-yo dieting all my life and I am now

paying the price but I have to believe my body should heal itself if I keep

eating right. Only time will tell.

Allyn

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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

On 8/5/06, haecklers <haecklers (DOT) <mailto:haecklers%40> com>

wrote:

> I thought the whole point of eating more fat was it was supposed to

> fill the calorie needs so you get hungry less. So wouldn't the hunger

> stop when I eat however many calories my body decides it needs,

> whether it's from fat or carbs?

By your description it would seem that isn't quite working, if you are

not able to cut down the carbs, or by virtue of the fact that you are

gaining weight (unless you're under your ideal weight).

> I guess my impression was that it

> would be " painless " dieting - the fat would fill me so I wouldn't want

> the carbs as much and would be eating roughly the same amount of

> calories but from different sources, but the blood sugar fluctuations

> from the carbs would be decreased so there would be less eating due to

> low blood sugar. I know earlier you said to eat more oil if I was

> still hungry (well, you said it to somebody else) to take away the

> cravings/hunger. I haven't really tried that yet, but really I seem

> less hungry and able to go bewteen meals better without eating.

> That's why I'm so disappointed that I'm gaining instead of losing

> weight.

Well that's certainly a good thing, and probably from the increased

fat. But just adding fat to your meal won't make you " automatically "

reduce your carbs. In order to eat fewer carbs, you have to actually

eat fewer carbs.

> Then there's the tempting " in between " stuff, like Nutella has 50% of

> the calories from fat, so if I needed to eat a carb/sweet/chocolate,

> wouldn't that be the ideal one?

I honestly don't know what Nutella is.

> I think my diet is fairly healthy - today the carbs I ate were all-

> grain sourdough bread, some corn chips at a Mexican restaurant (just a

> few), a little rice, and a tortilla. The bulk of it is fruit, eggs,

> bacon and meats, cheese, vegetables, and raw milk. I'd guess I'm only

> getting around 300 calories a day from starchy type carbs like

> breads/grains or sweets.

Well if you are gaining weight, then you need to tweak what you're

doing, either by eating less, exercising more, or playing with your

macronutrient ratios. Fat is important for making you full, but in

terms of fat-burning, it isn't so much as the fat turning on

fat-burning as it is the carbs shutting it off. So if you're still

eating enough carbs to sufficiently suppress fat-burning and to

sufficiently promote fat-storing, then you're probably going to gain

weight. I would suggest reducing your carbs substantially, seeing how

you respond, and then modifying your diet accordingly to adjust to

whatever rate you want to lose weight at.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I used to be the same way but I used chromium and recently ate a lot of

coconut oil and it did stop my cravings. I can honestly not even eat sweets

now when they are sitting in front of me.

Allyn

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Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

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<mailto: %40> , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...>

wrote:

> aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any other

> foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

taro chips?

> And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

> break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted that I

> have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to go

> from here...

radiantrecovery.com

miracles happen. apply NT principles and you're golden.

tb

[Guest guest]

When I started out on this diet I found my tastebuds got better at

discriminating against unhealthy foods. I used to love nutella - now I

think it is awful. It is the partially hydrogenated oils that are the real

issue. If you really want something similar, roast up some (soaked)

hazelnuts and coat them with melted chocolate. This makes a really good

treat.

-Lana

>

> > > (scroll all the way down)

> > >

> > > http://www.virtualitalia.com/recipes/nutella.shtml

> >

> > Yikes, I would stay the hell away from that.

> >

> > Chris

> > --

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> > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

> >

> would that be because of the ingredients or corny advertising?

>

[Guest guest]

On 8/5/06, tnjmcgill <tnjmcgill@...> wrote:

> would that be because of the ingredients or corny advertising?

Not buying a product because of its corny advertising would be kind of

like buying a product because of its corny advertising.

I would not eat it because it is full of crap.

Chris

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On 8/6/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> When I started out on this diet I found my tastebuds got better at

> discriminating against unhealthy foods. I used to love nutella - now I

> think it is awful. It is the partially hydrogenated oils that are the real

> issue.

I agree they are most important, but it is also loaded with sugar and

I am not such a big fan of the peanut oil either. Trans fats,

polyunsaturates and sugar are all going to interfere with someone's

ability to jump start weight loss.

While hazelnuts are not the perfect fat and I would treat them as a

*treat* and *not* a staple food, they are reasonably low in PUFA as

far as nuts go. If you made your own homemade desert like you

suggest, the chocolate could be made with cocoa butter or coconut oil,

a much smaller amount of sugar (maybe as honey, if you like it, which

is sweeter), and be a nutty and chocolatey treat with a much healthier

nutritional profile.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I " m with you. I can't do all the " healthy " things without gaining

weight so I've come to this conclusion (which I struggle to follow):

You don't have to eat all the healthy things every day. Also, we eat

far too much in the effort to satisfy the body's craving for the

nutrients it isn't getting. When we switch to a healthy diet, we still

have the cravings from fat cells gained in the past and mental setup so

we have a hard time cutting down.

Look at the slim people in the old days. They ate lard, cream, butter

etc. How did they stay so slim? They probably hardly ate anything. They

didn't need to. Our bodies are worn out by all this energy put into

digesting instead of muscle usage.

I think it will take some time for me to do the switch and for my body

to adjust to a better regimen but I keep trying. Getting better. Lost 5

lbs and want to lose 5 more.

On Aug 5, 2006, at 6:06 AM, haecklers wrote:

> Anybody lose weight on this " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " thing? I've been

> kind of half-heartedly trying (book says at 5'7 " up to 170 lbs can

> be a healthy weight but I'd much rather look like I did when I was a

> teenager!)

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In a message dated 8/6/2006 6:39:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

haecklers@... writes:

was trying to think of a way to solidify the coconut oil in

tablespoon (or smaller) sized lumps and coat them in chocolate to

fight cravings!

How about making bark? I think I'll make some today.

Cocoa powder (or melted unsweetened chocolate), some sort of sweetener,

coconut oil, maybe some nuts and some dried coconut. Mix together, spread in a

pan

or dish and chill. Break apart and scarf when the urge hits you!

Danae

" Mother's milk and mother's arms have always been available, patiently

waiting for the passing of man's foolhardy arrogance, which tried to convince us

that his inventions were superior to nature. "

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surgery without their consent.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

Still then the question becomes - does fruit have enough sugars in

it to promote fat-storing? Would I have to give up potatoes? (I

just dug about 15 lb from the garden and they're curing in the

garage).

- Renate

>> Well that's certainly a good thing, and probably from the

increased

> fat. But just adding fat to your meal won't make

you " automatically "

> reduce your carbs. In order to eat fewer carbs, you have to

actually

> eat fewer carbs.

>

>

>

> Well if you are gaining weight, then you need to tweak what you're

> doing, either by eating less, exercising more, or playing with your

> macronutrient ratios. Fat is important for making you full, but in

> terms of fat-burning, it isn't so much as the fat turning on

> fat-burning as it is the carbs shutting it off. So if you're still

> eating enough carbs to sufficiently suppress fat-burning and to

> sufficiently promote fat-storing, then you're probably going to

gain

> weight. I would suggest reducing your carbs substantially, seeing

how

> you respond, and then modifying your diet accordingly to adjust to

> whatever rate you want to lose weight at.

>

> Chris

>

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

[Guest guest]

Allyn,

I've never yo-yo dieted because I don't seem to have the personality

to count calories! I also don't think I could ever stick out a diet

like you describe, wow! You have some amazing self control!

I do think there's some adrenal/thyroid issue here, because the weight

gain all started when I got lyme, which does damage the adrenals and

thyroid. I wound up eating huge amounts of food and actually gaining

much less than I should have - a few pounds a year. I obsessed about

food and planned my activities around where the food would be! Now

that I'm addressing the lyme, my appetite has gone down considerably.

I'm so much less interested in food that I forget to cook meals!

Actually the weight gain coincided with a bout of coffee drinking that

could have stressed my adrenals again. Wouldn't it be just awfully

unfair if the whole weight loss thing was really more about getting

healthy adrenals than how many calories we eat? Have you seen the

thing on www.westonaprice.org where the board members share what they

ate in a period of time? The thin ones eat over 3000 calories!

- Renate

>

> Well, I have to say that I eat very little to no carbs most of the

time

> except vegetables and I have increased my fat intake but I have also

gained

> weight but still feel the coconut oil and saturated fats are

important. I

> am different though as I have struggled with my weight all my life

and I am

> still very overweight.