Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

[Guest guest]

Yes! My husband's skinny running club friends all have trouble

conceiving! The only one who has gotten pregnant had adopted a baby

and didn't have as much time to go running! I've also been noticing

that the children of overweight moms seem to have closer to the WAP

ideal faces - good teeth, nice round faces, etc...

>

> I think a lot of us are too into being skinny. If you go back and

look at

> traditional cultures they were not skinny. They weren't fat but

they

> definitely were not skinny.

> I don't think the weight scales are good based on the insurance

companies

> figures. Most of the women I know today who are skinny all have

problems

> with female issues and especially getting pregnant and having

children.

> Seems they all have complications. Even though I am very

overweight I had

> no problem conceiving and my first was born in 3.5 hours and my

second one

> 10 years later at 35 was born in 20 minutes. Wasn't really

prepared for that

> one!! LOL Also my son was over 9 lbs. and my daughter was almost 9

lbs.

> JMO

> Allyn

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was trying to think of a way to solidify the coconut oil in

tablespoon (or smaller) sized lumps and coat them in chocolate to

fight cravings!

> If you really want something similar, roast up some (soaked)

> hazelnuts and coat them with melted chocolate. This makes a

really good

> treat.

>

> -Lana

>

>

> >

> > > > (scroll all the way down)

> > > >

> > > > http://www.virtualitalia.com/recipes/nutella.shtml

> > >

> > > Yikes, I would stay the hell away from that.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > > --

> > > The Truth About Cholesterol

> > > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

> > >

> > would that be because of the ingredients or corny advertising?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have read their journals on what they eat. Pretty amazing isn't it.

I think it is the adrenals and thyroids as well, so I will keep working on

them. That's why I keep eating my coconut oil. I actually need to eat more.

I try to eat 6 tablespoons a day as recommend by Dr. Fife for thyroid but I

do find myself slacking on it as it is hard to find appetizing ways to get

that much down.

Allyn

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Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

Allyn,

I've never yo-yo dieted because I don't seem to have the personality

to count calories! I also don't think I could ever stick out a diet

like you describe, wow! You have some amazing self control!

I do think there's some adrenal/thyroid issue here, because the weight

gain all started when I got lyme, which does damage the adrenals and

thyroid. I wound up eating huge amounts of food and actually gaining

much less than I should have - a few pounds a year. I obsessed about

food and planned my activities around where the food would be! Now

that I'm addressing the lyme, my appetite has gone down considerably.

I'm so much less interested in food that I forget to cook meals!

Actually the weight gain coincided with a bout of coffee drinking that

could have stressed my adrenals again. Wouldn't it be just awfully

unfair if the whole weight loss thing was really more about getting

healthy adrenals than how many calories we eat? Have you seen the

thing on www.westonaprice.org where the board members share what they

ate in a period of time? The thin ones eat over 3000 calories!

- Renate

>

> Well, I have to say that I eat very little to no carbs most of the

time

> except vegetables and I have increased my fat intake but I have also

gained

> weight but still feel the coconut oil and saturated fats are

important. I

> am different though as I have struggled with my weight all my life

and I am

> still very overweight.

[Guest guest]

....That's why I keep eating my coconut oil. I actually need to eat more.

> I try to eat 6 tablespoons a day as recommend by Dr. Fife for

thyroid but I

> do find myself slacking on it as it is hard to find appetizing ways

to get

> that much down.

Allyn,

try the coconut chicken soup in NT.

tb

[Guest guest]

Renate,

> Still then the question becomes - does fruit have enough sugars in

> it to promote fat-storing? Would I have to give up potatoes? (I

> just dug about 15 lb from the garden and they're curing in the

> garage).

I can't tell you exactly what to eat, but whether fruit can shut off

fat-burning or not is going to depend on how much of it you eat and

what your energy needs are. I think fruit would have some value in

that eating a little at the end of a meal might prevent you from

feeling like you are depriving yourself of sweets -- brushing your

teeth after can help too. Potatoes you will probably need to greatly

reduce or eliminate, at least till you get on the fat-burning track.

I am not into weight loss personally, but I'm attracted to the basic

idea of the Atkins diet where you reduce your carbs greatly, and then

add a little bit each week until you find the equilibrium point where

you stop gaining weight. I don't know if his method is the best way

or not, but the basic idea that you reduce carbs greatly to jumpstart

fat burning, and then work up slowly to determine precisely how many

carbs you personally need, is, I think, a good idea.

Chris

--

The Truth About Cholesterol

Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

[Guest guest]

Will do. I eat a lot of soup.

Thanks,

Allyn

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Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

....That's why I keep eating my coconut oil. I actually need to eat more.

> I try to eat 6 tablespoons a day as recommend by Dr. Fife for

thyroid but I

> do find myself slacking on it as it is hard to find appetizing ways

to get

> that much down.

Allyn,

try the coconut chicken soup in NT.

tb

[Guest guest]

Best online program for sugar addiction is radiantrecovery.com. I

stopped a 40 year binge history that way.

Any of the low-carb books will have a list of carby foods. I like

Protein Power or Rosedale myself.

Connie

--- In , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...>

wrote:

>

> aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any

other

> foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

>

> And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

> break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted

that I

> have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to

go

> from here. I like meat, but not enough to have it for breakfast

> lunch and dinner.

>

[Guest guest]

Also, having been an addict myself, when you eat carbs you only want more.

So to break the initial addiction is the start and then it gets easier.

Everytime I eat bread or a candy bar, which is rare, I find I want more and

more.

Allyn

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Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

Best online program for sugar addiction is radiantrecovery.com. I

stopped a 40 year binge history that way.

Any of the low-carb books will have a list of carby foods. I like

Protein Power or Rosedale myself.

Connie

--- In

<mailto: %40> , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...>

wrote:

>

> aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any

other

> foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

>

> And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

> break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted

that I

> have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to

go

> from here. I like meat, but not enough to have it for breakfast

> lunch and dinner.

>

[Guest guest]

What are peoples thoughts on good bacteria.just a thought but Im inclined to

think (coming from the premise that carb/sugar cravings are related to

candida) that if you had an abundance of beneficial bacteria this should

minimise if not cut the cravings out altogether.

Plus do you think there is a difference between eating something because it

feels goods as opposed to a supposed " chemical addiction " .

Sometimes its difficult to recognise the difference.

Mostly we are patterned for the anti-pleasure principal which is why I raise

this point, to be aware that there could be a few things going on.

Sometimes we are addicted to feeling good which often equates to food, its

social, fun, releases endorphins and so on.

I think there should be more of our looking for ways to feel good other than

food but when its about food just surrendering to the fact that on this

occasion Im going to overindulge and be ok with it as it is part of the

process too.

_____

From: ALLYN FERRIS [mailto:aferris7272@...]

Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 8:46 AM

Subject: RE: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

Also, having been an addict myself, when you eat carbs you only want more.

So to break the initial addiction is the start and then it gets easier.

Everytime I eat bread or a candy bar, which is rare, I find I want more and

more.

Allyn

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Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

Best online program for sugar addiction is radiantrecovery.com. I

stopped a 40 year binge history that way.

Any of the low-carb books will have a list of carby foods. I like

Protein Power or Rosedale myself.

Connie

--- In @ <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...>

wrote:

>

> aside from the obvious bread, pasta, and rice etc., are there any

other

> foods out there that may be higher in carbs that one would think?

>

> And since we are on the lose fat subject, any suggestions on how to

> break a sugar addition to lose weight? I have finally " admitted

that I

> have a problem " with sugar and carbs and don't really know where to

go

> from here. I like meat, but not enough to have it for breakfast

> lunch and dinner.

>

[Guest guest]

Once again, protein powders and especially whey powders are dangerous.

Refer to Weston A. Price web sight and try to find the article. If I

find it I will post it.

On Aug 6, 2006, at 2:18 PM, cbrown2008 wrote:

> Any of the low-carb books will have a list of carby foods. I like

> Protein Power or Rosedale myself.

Parashis

artpages@...

zine:

artpagesonline.com

portfolio:

http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

***I used EFLF for the health recovery part and am still working on

that, so I am not trying to lose weight at the moment. But that said, I

have been amazed at the transformation of the way I eat and what I

*crave* so to speak. I eat lots and lots of fat and protein and I do not

buy any grain products except for oatmeal and brown rice and I will say

that I cannot eat many carbs anymore. Most fruit is almost too sweet for

me now and bread makes me feel ill. In fact, I had to eat pizza tonight

with my mother who treated us at the last minute and I am regretting it.

I have been eating canned salmon with white beans (properly prepared, of

course) with various veggies and sour cream on top for lunches and I

will say this is the kind of meal that makes me feel really good

physically. My brain actually starts to feel better and it’s like some

kind of drug. You know, all the omega-3s and good protein…I truly

believe that a person can stop craving carbs by doing EFLF and consuming

lots of fats, particularly coconut oil. I consume about ½ cup a day and

it helps with all kinds of things. I also believe as (the other)

:-) said that it is related to candida and if you can get rid of that

then you will not feel the need to feed it. Sure, I think there is

occasion for treats or overindulging, but there are so many wonderful

rich foods that are REAL and full of nutrients to satisfy that I would

think just finding more of those that you really love would be the best

way.

amanda

I think there should be more of our looking for ways to feel good other

than

food but when its about food just surrendering to the fact that on this

occasion Im going to overindulge and be ok with it as it is part of the

process too.

[Guest guest]

Hi! Could someone please direct me to the section on the WAPF website on

EFLF? Thanks

Also is that you drink ½ cup a day of coconut oil? Thanks

_____

From: [mailto:amandaplease@...]

Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 12:35 PM

Subject: RE: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

***I used EFLF for the health recovery part and am still working on

that, so I am not trying to lose weight at the moment. But that said, I

have been amazed at the transformation of the way I eat and what I

*crave* so to speak. I eat lots and lots of fat and protein and I do not

buy any grain products except for oatmeal and brown rice and I will say

that I cannot eat many carbs anymore. Most fruit is almost too sweet for

me now and bread makes me feel ill. In fact, I had to eat pizza tonight

with my mother who treated us at the last minute and I am regretting it.

I have been eating canned salmon with white beans (properly prepared, of

course) with various veggies and sour cream on top for lunches and I

will say this is the kind of meal that makes me feel really good

physically. My brain actually starts to feel better and it’s like some

kind of drug. You know, all the omega-3s and good protein…I truly

believe that a person can stop craving carbs by doing EFLF and consuming

lots of fats, particularly coconut oil. I consume about ½ cup a day and

it helps with all kinds of things. I also believe as (the other)

:-) said that it is related to candida and if you can get rid of that

then you will not feel the need to feed it. Sure, I think there is

occasion for treats or overindulging, but there are so many wonderful

rich foods that are REAL and full of nutrients to satisfy that I would

think just finding more of those that you really love would be the best

way.

amanda

I think there should be more of our looking for ways to feel good other

than

food but when its about food just surrendering to the fact that on this

occasion Im going to overindulge and be ok with it as it is part of the

process too.

[Guest guest]

What was the ultimate for me was doing lowest carb.

Eating foods only from the Blood Type diet. For

sweeteners I use Veg Glycerin (Frontier brand is made

form palm oil) and xylotol. I eat moderately high fat,

I use 1/2 & 1/2 instead of heavy cream for my drinks or

to make ice cream. I put egg yoke in everything that I

can. I don't and won't eat coconut anything. I gain

weight on it in any form. Believe I know this because

I love coconut and have tried and tried. (BooHoo)

I also eat in the rhythm that I like which is maybe a

handful of food during the day, nuts or meat, lots of

hot drinks with 1/2 & 1/2, and big meal or lots of

snacking @ night. I believe that everyones food

eating patterns are different. For me nighttime

eating helps me to regulate amounts. I have other

friends that don't eat after a certain time of day.

Whatever.

When I have carb cravings I use the craving to

meditate with. Meaning I let the cravings sweep over

me as deeply as possible. After a few days of this the

cravings go away for weeks or months @ a time.

I workout for short periods of time high intensely.

For instance now I do the Tibetian Rites (you can

google them) and I run barefoot in the soft sand with

my 13 month old baby in a baby carrier on my back

(20-30 minutes). This helps to balance out my brain

chemistries which keeps my depression in check and

also helps with carb-cravings. When I used to workout

for over an hour @ a time 6-7 days/week I was @ least

15 lbs. heavier and I was on an atkins type diet

(without the blood type diet info.)

BTW there is another diet that states that for 2

dinners/week to carbo load to replace the glycogen in

the body. I did this before I was pregnant and during

my pregnancy, it helps to regulate hormone levels.

When I'm eating right for my body I seem to naturally

drink 2 liters of water daily without effort. When I'm

not eating right I have to force the water down or go

without.

TT

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

" Eat Fat, Lose Fat " is a book written by Enig and Sally Fallon,

WAP founders.

>

> Hi! Could someone please direct me to the section on the WAPF

website on

> EFLF? Thanks

>

> Also is that you drink ½ cup a day of coconut oil? Thanks

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:amandaplease@...]

> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 12:35 PM

>

> Subject: RE: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

>

>

>

>

> ***I used EFLF for the health recovery part and am still working on

> that, so I am not trying to lose weight at the moment. But that

said, I

> have been amazed at the transformation of the way I eat and what I

> *crave* so to speak. I eat lots and lots of fat and protein and I

do not

> buy any grain products except for oatmeal and brown rice and I

will say

> that I cannot eat many carbs anymore. Most fruit is almost too

sweet for

> me now and bread makes me feel ill. In fact, I had to eat pizza

tonight

> with my mother who treated us at the last minute and I am

regretting it.

> I have been eating canned salmon with white beans (properly

prepared, of

> course) with various veggies and sour cream on top for lunches and

I

> will say this is the kind of meal that makes me feel really good

> physically. My brain actually starts to feel better and it's like

some

> kind of drug. You know, all the omega-3s and good protein…I truly

> believe that a person can stop craving carbs by doing EFLF and

consuming

> lots of fats, particularly coconut oil. I consume about ½ cup a

day and

> it helps with all kinds of things. I also believe as (the other)

> :-) said that it is related to candida and if you can get rid of

that

> then you will not feel the need to feed it. Sure, I think there is

> occasion for treats or overindulging, but there are so many

wonderful

> rich foods that are REAL and full of nutrients to satisfy that I

would

> think just finding more of those that you really love would be the

best

> way.

> amanda

>

> I think there should be more of our looking for ways to feel good

other

> than

> food but when its about food just surrendering to the fact that on

this

> occasion Im going to overindulge and be ok with it as it is part

of the

> process too.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh great thanks Ill look for it. Cheers

_____

From: haecklers [mailto:haecklers@...]

Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

" Eat Fat, Lose Fat " is a book written by Enig and Sally Fallon,

WAP founders.

>

> Hi! Could someone please direct me to the section on the WAPF

website on

> EFLF? Thanks

>

> Also is that you drink ½ cup a day of coconut oil? Thanks

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:amandaplease@...]

> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 12:35 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: RE: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

>

>

>

>

> ***I used EFLF for the health recovery part and am still working on

> that, so I am not trying to lose weight at the moment. But that

said, I

> have been amazed at the transformation of the way I eat and what I

> *crave* so to speak. I eat lots and lots of fat and protein and I

do not

> buy any grain products except for oatmeal and brown rice and I

will say

> that I cannot eat many carbs anymore. Most fruit is almost too

sweet for

> me now and bread makes me feel ill. In fact, I had to eat pizza

tonight

> with my mother who treated us at the last minute and I am

regretting it.

> I have been eating canned salmon with white beans (properly

prepared, of

> course) with various veggies and sour cream on top for lunches and

I

> will say this is the kind of meal that makes me feel really good

> physically. My brain actually starts to feel better and it's like

some

> kind of drug. You know, all the omega-3s and good protein…I truly

> believe that a person can stop craving carbs by doing EFLF and

consuming

> lots of fats, particularly coconut oil. I consume about ½ cup a

day and

> it helps with all kinds of things. I also believe as (the other)

> :-) said that it is related to candida and if you can get rid of

that

> then you will not feel the need to feed it. Sure, I think there is

> occasion for treats or overindulging, but there are so many

wonderful

> rich foods that are REAL and full of nutrients to satisfy that I

would

> think just finding more of those that you really love would be the

best

> way.

> amanda

>

> I think there should be more of our looking for ways to feel good

other

> than

> food but when its about food just surrendering to the fact that on

this

> occasion Im going to overindulge and be ok with it as it is part

of the

> process too.

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> Best online program for sugar addiction is radiantrecovery.com. I

> stopped a 40 year binge history that way.

>

> Any of the low-carb books will have a list of carby foods. I like

> Protein Power or Rosedale myself.

>

Connie,

I've been re-reading _Your Last Diet_, and in it Kathleen says a sugar

sensitive person can't lose weight on a high-fat diet--have you found

this to be true?

What concerns me are her recommendations for 30% and--ideally 25-28%

dietary fat for weight loss. Did you follow this? Is this still her

current advice?

B.

[Guest guest]

> I've been re-reading _Your Last Diet_, and in it Kathleen says a sugar

> sensitive person can't lose weight on a high-fat diet--have you found

> this to be true?

>

> What concerns me are her recommendations for 30% and--ideally 25-28%

> dietary fat for weight loss. Did you follow this? Is this still her

> current advice?

> B.

At the time she wrote that, she was thinking high fat with moderate

carb. Doesn't work.

Her current advice inside the YLD program still follows the guideline

from the book, " the right protein/brown/green/fats at the right times,

for you " . The program support helps you figure that out for yourself -

there's no macronutrient ratio etc etc.

I really like, for myself, minimum protein, adequate carb for

metabolism & antioxidants/micronutrients, and the rest with fats. Feels

mahvelous baby.

Connie

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> > I've been re-reading _Your Last Diet_, and in it Kathleen says a sugar

> > sensitive person can't lose weight on a high-fat diet--have you found

> > this to be true?

> >

> > What concerns me are her recommendations for 30% and--ideally 25-28%

> > dietary fat for weight loss. Did you follow this? Is this still her

> > current advice?

> > B.

>

> At the time she wrote that, she was thinking high fat with moderate

> carb. Doesn't work.

>

> Her current advice inside the YLD program still follows the guideline

> from the book, " the right protein/brown/green/fats at the right times,

> for you " . The program support helps you figure that out for yourself -

> there's no macronutrient ratio etc etc.

>

> I really like, for myself, minimum protein, adequate carb for

> metabolism & antioxidants/micronutrients, and the rest with fats. Feels

> mahvelous baby.

>

Connie,

So she's not putting a number on the percentage of fat anymore? Not

25-30%? Just figure out for yourself what works? Phew!

My experience with high fat and very low carb is I don't lose weight

and worse, I feel sluggish and heavy, but " browns " are trigger foods

for me, so it's tricky. I've been playing around adding a little carb

and reducing fat and I do feel much better but I couldn't imagine

getting down as low as the book said without unsavory consequences.

Anyway, thanks for your help, you're a real inspiration to me.

tb

[Guest guest]

> Connie,

> So she's not putting a number on the percentage of fat anymore? Not

> 25-30%? Just figure out for yourself what works? Phew!

>

> My experience with high fat and very low carb is I don't lose weight

> and worse, I feel sluggish and heavy, but " browns " are trigger foods

> for me, so it's tricky. I've been playing around adding a little carb

> and reducing fat and I do feel much better but I couldn't imagine

> getting down as low as the book said without unsavory consequences.

>

> Anyway, thanks for your help, you're a real inspiration to me.

> tb

>

tb, I'm the same way. I moved all my " slow carbs " to roots, sprouted

beans, and veggies including weird root ones I never used before like

rutabagas. Grains are really a problem.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Also is that you drink ½ cup a day of coconut oil? Thanks

***well what I do is make a smoothie in the morning with yogurt, banana,

berries, 4 or so egg yolks, and ½ cup coconut oil. I drink about half of

it for breakfast and the other half in the afternoon for a snack. This

way the coconut oil is disguised and is really the only way I can take

it.

amanda

[Guest guest]

Anybody lose weight on this " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " thing? I've been

kind of half-heartedly trying (book says at 5'7 " up to 170 lbs can

be a healthy weight but I'd much rather look like I did when I was a

teenager!) So far I've gained 3 lb. I have to say I'm rather more

successful at incorporating fatty foods than eliminating carbs! So

here are some questions for those who've had success:

haecklers

I did not lose weight, but gained weight. I gradually worked up to 3 TBsp.

of the coconut oil, 20 minutes before each NT style, albeit low carb meal.

Three average sized meals, no snacks. And, I walk 10-12 miles a week, plus do

Pilates 2-3 times week, so I am getting some exercise. Rather than lose

weight, I started gaining weight. It just didn't work for me. Right now, I

have had better luck, with cutting back, NOT OUT, the fat, and adding some carbs

back in. I just found that cutting the volume/calories down has helped more

than anything else. I'm not fasting/dieting, just cutting the overall amount

down. I still do my walking and Pilates, and eat 3 times daily only. But

finally, I think I've found the right protein/carb/fat mix for me.

Rebekah

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[Guest guest]

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: Rebekah Dowd <rmd1019@...>

> Anybody lose weight on this " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " thing? I've been

> kind of half-heartedly trying (book says at 5'7 " up to 170 lbs can

> be a healthy weight but I'd much rather look like I did when I was a

> teenager!) So far I've gained 3 lb. I have to say I'm rather more

> successful at incorporating fatty foods than eliminating carbs! So

> here are some questions for those who've had success:

>

> haecklers

>

> I did not lose weight, but gained weight. I gradually worked up to 3 TBsp.

> of the coconut oil, 20 minutes before each NT style, albeit low carb meal.

> Three average sized meals, no snacks. And, I walk 10-12 miles a week, plus

do

> Pilates 2-3 times week, so I am getting some exercise. Rather than lose

> weight, I started gaining weight. It just didn't work for me. Right now, I

> have had better luck, with cutting back, NOT OUT, the fat, and adding some

carbs

> back in. I just found that cutting the volume/calories down has helped more

> than anything else. I'm not fasting/dieting, just cutting the overall amount

> down. I still do my walking and Pilates, and eat 3 times daily only. But

> finally, I think I've found the right protein/carb/fat mix for me.

>

> Rebekah

I'm sure that someone will post otherwise, but my belief is that large amounts

of coconut oil will add a pretty good number of calories, which don't just

magically disappear. It would seem logical to me that if you're adding those

approximately 375 (?) calories per day, adding fat, but not reducing carbs, the

tendency would certainly be to gain weight. Are you getting much more exercise

now than you did previously?

I just don't think that this stuff is as complicated as some people make it out

to be. While there may be some subtle variations owing to one type of food vs

another, or the idiosyncracies of one person's makeup, I think that 95% of it

comes down to calories in vs calories out. the hard part is cutting down the

calories and ramping up the exercise.

[Guest guest]

Why not mix coconut shreds and coconut oil to make your own version of

mounds?

-Lana

On 8/6/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

>

> I was trying to think of a way to solidify the coconut oil in

> tablespoon (or smaller) sized lumps and coat them in chocolate to

> fight cravings!

>

[Guest guest]

> I workout for short periods of time high intensely. For instance now I do

the Tibetian Rites (you can google them) and I run barefoot in the soft sand

with

> my 13 month old baby in a baby carrier on my back (20-30 minutes). This

helps to balance out my brain chemistries which keeps my depression in check

and

> also helps with carb-cravings.

This works for me too. Ill check our the Tibetian Rites as it sounds

interesting and see how it ties in.

Also why do you think you were 15lbs heavier when training and on the Atkins

diet?

With regard to the Blood Type diet, do you think that the reason it helps

some people is due to their blood qui energies - hot bloody needing to cool

down with raw and cooler foods and vice versa?

Thanks

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From: t tarail [mailto:ttarail@...]

Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: Eat Fat, Lose Fat...Fat Fat Fat!

What was the ultimate for me was doing lowest carb.

Eating foods only from the Blood Type diet. For

sweeteners I use Veg Glycerin (Frontier brand is made

form palm oil) and xylotol. I eat moderately high fat,

I use 1/2 & 1/2 instead of heavy cream for my drinks or

to make ice cream. I put egg yoke in everything that I

can. I don't and won't eat coconut anything. I gain

weight on it in any form. Believe I know this because

I love coconut and have tried and tried. (BooHoo)

I also eat in the rhythm that I like which is maybe a

handful of food during the day, nuts or meat, lots of

hot drinks with 1/2 & 1/2, and big meal or lots of

snacking @ night. I believe that everyones food

eating patterns are different. For me nighttime

eating helps me to regulate amounts. I have other

friends that don't eat after a certain time of day.

Whatever.

When I have carb cravings I use the craving to

meditate with. Meaning I let the cravings sweep over

me as deeply as possible. After a few days of this the

cravings go away for weeks or months @ a time.

I workout for short periods of time high intensely.

For instance now I do the Tibetian Rites (you can

google them) and I run barefoot in the soft sand with

my 13 month old baby in a baby carrier on my back

(20-30 minutes). This helps to balance out my brain

chemistries which keeps my depression in check and

also helps with carb-cravings. When I used to workout

for over an hour @ a time 6-7 days/week I was @ least

15 lbs. heavier and I was on an atkins type diet

(without the blood type diet info.)

BTW there is another diet that states that for 2

dinners/week to carbo load to replace the glycogen in

the body. I did this before I was pregnant and during

my pregnancy, it helps to regulate hormone levels.

When I'm eating right for my body I seem to naturally

drink 2 liters of water daily without effort. When I'm

not eating right I have to force the water down or go

without.

TT

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/8/2006 9:18:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

chrismasterjohn@... writes:

" 1) Imagine you come home and go into the kitchen. A plate of warm

> chocolate-chip cookies sits on the counter just out of the oven.

> Their smell hits you as you walk in. You do not feel hungry. No one

> else is around. What would you do? "

About a month ago I would ignore them. Right now it would be a challenge.

Ever since we went to visit some friends and I tasted some very special

hand-made

chocolates made by a local chef, I have my sugar cravings back. But I'm on

the road back. Feeling more in control each day.

And consequently going to visit the same friends again next week. )

Danae

" Mother's milk and mother's arms have always been available, patiently

waiting for the passing of man's foolhardy arrogance, which tried to convince us

that his inventions were superior to nature. "

Tine Thevenin

Baby boys are the only group in society having medically unnecessary

surgery without their consent.