Re: Native Nutrition: help for gulf war syndrome???

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miso provides the probiotic element, the micro-life that will lock up

the radiation in the gut. Seaweed is a strong source of

micro-nutrients - - great for the immune system. -Allan

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--- In , Allan Balliett <igg@i...>

wrote:

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> miso provides the probiotic element, the micro-life that will lock up

> the radiation in the gut. Seaweed is a strong source of

> micro-nutrients - - great for the immune system. -Allan

>

I just wanted to add that I personally experienced the powerful

benefits of both miso and kelp for heavy metals. Be careful with how

much you consume and work your way up, both can cause detox

reactions...though with the miso it is hard to eat very much because of

its saltiness.

I love letting a tablespoon of miso sit in my cooked oat/amaranth

porridge overnight (mellow miso is the best). I gently heat it up in

the morning and it goes from a very thick porridge to a gruel, due to

amylase breaking down carbs and producing water, and it taste

absolutely fantastic and requires little to no sweetener. It is

extremely digestible and a pleasure to eat! I always add lots of

coconut oil, butter, and a raw egg yolk or two.

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>I love letting a tablespoon of miso sit in my cooked oat/amaranth

>porridge overnight (mellow miso is the best). I gently heat it up in

>the morning and it goes from a very thick porridge to a gruel, due to

>amylase breaking down carbs and producing water, and it taste

>absolutely fantastic and requires little to no sweetener. It is

>extremely digestible and a pleasure to eat! I always add lots of

>coconut oil, butter, and a raw egg yolk or two.

You're right! The 'melted oats' are delicious. I would assume that

the bio population is really boosted by this 'feeding,' also. -Allan

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I would have to guess that the miso soup was prophylactic against

radiation sickness due to it's influence on the thyroid and adrenal

glands. If I am not mistaken, miso soup is made from a soybean ferment,

so it likely contains edocrine mimicing substances. So maybe these

substances help make up for the damagae that radiation does to the

complex mileau of hormones that are flowing through our bodies all the

time. So I see no reason why that wouldn't also be helpful for someone

with exposure to other radioactive substances. It is my understanding

though, that Gulf War Syndrome is more strongly correlated with the

high levels of endocrine function disrupting chemicals that the

soldiers were exposed to. I have gotten this idea from some letters

that the US government has sent to someone that I know that was in the

war, so I might not be getting the whole story, just what the

government wants us to hear. Oh, and what about iodine? Does miso

have decent quantities of iodine? That's what is, I believe, normally

used to reduce the effects of radiation sickness. Anyhow, that's my

two cents worth. Bertie

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> >I love letting a tablespoon of miso sit in my cooked oat/amaranth

> >porridge overnight (mellow miso is the best). I gently heat it up in

> >the morning and it goes from a very thick porridge to a gruel, due to

> >amylase breaking down carbs and producing water, and it taste

> >absolutely fantastic and requires little to no sweetener. It is

> >extremely digestible and a pleasure to eat! I always add lots of

> >coconut oil, butter, and a raw egg yolk or two.

>

> You're right! The 'melted oats' are delicious. I would assume that

> the bio population is really boosted by this 'feeding,' also. -Allan

>

I also add some buttermilk or yogurt a lot of times when I add the

Miso, and that cultures it as well. Its an absolutely fantastic

breakfast for those who love carbs. I would add raw cream but I don't

have any this time of year.

Its most certainly one of the best way to eat grains, and it is really

nourishing. If I want it sweetened I just add some chopped dates when

I cook the oatmeal (before putting the miso or other stuff in) and the

dates pretty much dissolve.

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[Guest guest]

>In Japan the doctors who treated the

>victims of the A-bomb had miso soup with seaweed daily and none of

>them got radiation sickness. They believe there is something in the

>seaweed that protected them from the radiation, as well as in the miso

>itself.

Has anyone properly studied miso and zybicolin and whatnot to see

whether there's really anything to this, though? I mean, even some

basic animal testing? I'd think the military would be all over it if

it worked.

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Bertie-

>Does miso

>have decent quantities of iodine? That's what is, I believe, normally

>used to reduce the effects of radiation sickness.

I don't know whether miso is more widely effective, but iodine (e.g.

potassium iodide) ONLY protects the thyroid gland from

radiation. The rest of the body is still screwed.

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[Guest guest]

Quoting Idol <paul_idol@...>:

> >In Japan the doctors who treated the

> >victims of the A-bomb had miso soup with seaweed daily and none of

> >them got radiation sickness. They believe there is something in the

> >seaweed that protected them from the radiation, as well as in the miso

> >itself.

>

> Has anyone properly studied miso and zybicolin and whatnot to see

> whether there's really anything to this, though? I mean, even some

> basic animal testing? I'd think the military would be all over it if

> it worked.

I haven't read the whole thread and may be missing some context here, but

isn't it fairly well-established that iodine (of which seaweed is a rich

source) protects against radiation damage by preventing the uptake of

radioactive isotopes of iodine into the thyroid gland?

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Berg

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>I haven't read the whole thread and may be missing some context here, but

>isn't it fairly well-established that iodine (of which seaweed is a rich

>source) protects against radiation damage by preventing the uptake of

>radioactive isotopes of iodine into the thyroid gland?

Yes, but that ONLY protects the thyroid gland. That's important and

all, but the rest of the body is SOL if iodine is the only thing you take.

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[Guest guest]

> Yes, but that ONLY protects the thyroid gland. That's important and

> all, but the rest of the body is SOL if iodine is the only thing you

take.

,

Okay, give it up: what's in your fallout kit?

B.

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

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> >I haven't read the whole thread and may be missing some

> context here,

> >but isn't it fairly well-established that iodine (of which

> seaweed is a

> >rich

> >source) protects against radiation damage by preventing the

> uptake of

> >radioactive isotopes of iodine into the thyroid gland?

>

> Yes, but that ONLY protects the thyroid gland. That's

> important and all, but the rest of the body is SOL if iodine

> is the only thing you take.

Granted. But if the worst of the ill effects of radioactive fallout are

related to thyroid damage, then it might still be very helpful. I have no

idea whether that's true, though.

[Guest guest]

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>Okay, give it up: what's in your fallout kit?

Potassium iodide, a lead suit and a gun with a bullet.

Seriously, I don't know what else there is that's effective. I

haven't looked deeply into the miso theory, but I guess it's probably

worth having a lot of it on hand just for in case.

It might be better yet to have a variety of heavy metal chelators on

hand, such as dipilocolonic acid, DMSA, R-ALA, etc. I really don't know.

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[Guest guest]

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>Granted. But if the worst of the ill effects of radioactive fallout are

>related to thyroid damage, then it might still be very helpful. I have no

>idea whether that's true, though.

Shutting down the thyroid has a dramatic systemic effect, but I think

the reason so much emphasis is placed on potassium iodide is due to

two other reasons: it's something that actually works, and people

don't know how to protect other parts of the body because other parts

don't have the dramatic uptake of specific minerals that the thyroid

gland does.

Perhaps there's something to the miso business, though. Dunno.

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[Guest guest]

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> -

>

> >Okay, give it up: what's in your fallout kit?

>

> Potassium iodide, a lead suit and a gun with a bullet.

>

> Seriously, I don't know what else there is that's effective. I

> haven't looked deeply into the miso theory, but I guess it's probably

> worth having a lot of it on hand just for in case.

>

> It might be better yet to have a variety of heavy metal chelators on

> hand, such as dipilocolonic acid, DMSA, R-ALA, etc. I really don't

know.

>

>

>

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> -

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, miso does contain dipilocolonic acid.

Also, it lasts indefinitely in a cool basement, so it wouldn't be a

bad idea to have a lot on hand.

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[Guest guest]

Among others, I think those exposed to depleted uranium are at risk

of lymphoma, leukemia, cancers of the reproductive organs, and some

others, I haven't seen anything about thyroid cancer in the

literature. It looks like it concentrates in the semen as wives of

Gulf War vets are having problems in their reproductive organs and

it's thought to be from the radioactive semen from their husbands.

Then the babies come out deformed, though the incidence of

miscarriage is very high in those cases. Here, with ultrasounds,

the docs may see what's about to be born and just not prevent

miscarriages, who knows? Everything I've heard is that there is no

hope for the vets exposed to the DU dust, so the miso/seaweed thing

seems like their best hope.

Anybody know anyone with Gulf War Syndrome?

I find it interesting that in Japan, with the fallout from Hiroshima

and Nagasaki so close, they still have a very long life span and

overall good health. Looks like those near Chernobyl have it much

worse.

--- In , " Berg " <bberg@c...>

wrote:

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> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

> > -

> > >I haven't read the whole thread and may be missing some

> > context here,

> > >but isn't it fairly well-established that iodine (of which

> > seaweed is a

> > >rich

> > >source) protects against radiation damage by preventing the

> > uptake of

> > >radioactive isotopes of iodine into the thyroid gland?

> >

> > Yes, but that ONLY protects the thyroid gland. That's

> > important and all, but the rest of the body is SOL if iodine

> > is the only thing you take.

>

> Granted. But if the worst of the ill effects of radioactive

fallout are

> related to thyroid damage, then it might still be very helpful. I

have no

> idea whether that's true, though.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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>, miso does contain dipilocolonic acid.

That's why I mentioned it. But there are other reasons to prefer not

to OD on miso if possible.

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[Guest guest]

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

> Among others, I think those exposed to depleted uranium are

> at risk of lymphoma, leukemia, cancers of the reproductive

> organs, and some others, I haven't seen anything about

> thyroid cancer in the literature.

I wouldn't expect it. The reason the thyroid is particularly vulnerable to

radiation damage is that iodine is concentrated in the thyroid gland, and

radioisotopes of iodine happen to be a byproduct of the fission of uranium.

If you're not fissioning the uranium and producing radioisotopes of iodine,

thyroid cancer shouldn't be a big issue.

> It looks like it

> concentrates in the semen as wives of Gulf War vets are

> having problems in their reproductive organs and it's thought

> to be from the radioactive semen from their husbands.

With a half-life of over 4 billion years, depleted uranium is only mildly

radioactive. As I understand it, the chemical toxicity (remember that

uranium is a heavy metal) is the greater concern. That said, all the

information I can find about depleted uranium and semen seems to come from

political web sites. Are there any good papers on this?

> I find it interesting that in Japan, with the fallout from

> Hiroshima and Nagasaki so close, they still have a very long

> life span and overall good health.

What's interesting? The bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fairly

small, as atomic weapons go, and their damage was mostly localized. It's not

as though dangerous levels of fallout blanketed all of Japan. Those who

weren't in the immediate vicinity weren't really affected.

> Looks like those near Chernobyl have it much worse.

Quite the opposite. The death toll for victims of the atomic bombs deployed

in Japan is over 200,000, while fewer than 100 people have died from the

Chernobyl explosion and its aftermath so far. (Since cancer typically takes

a long time to do its thing, the projected death toll is around 4,000.)

[Guest guest]

What are those reasons? I was about to go buy some and slather on my

gruel.

On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Idol wrote:

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>> , miso does contain dipilocolonic acid.

>

> That's why I mentioned it. But there are other reasons to prefer not

> to OD on miso if possible.

>

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I wonder if the info about depleted uranium and semen seems political

because to those with a conscience, once you see the statistics and

the information, you feel you need to do something about it?

I don't have time to find good papers just now, but you can Google

Leuren Moret. Shoot, there's another guy, but I can't think of his

name! Webb is another one who is pretty scholarly. He

doesn't speak about depleted uranium (that I know of) but has been

saying all along that it doesn't take as much radiation as we think to

cause genetic damage.

Per your point that DU is a heavy metal and toxic in it's own right,

that may be valuable, as many chelation methods exist that have at

least some luck getting heavy metals out, again miso and seaweed being

among them.

That said, all the

> information I can find about depleted uranium and semen seems to

come from

> political web sites. Are there any good papers on this?

>

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> >

> >> , miso does contain dipilocolonic acid.

> >

> > That's why I mentioned it. But there are other reasons to prefer not

> > to OD on miso if possible.

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Its very salty so you really couldn't eat to much without eating too

much salt as well. It does have small amounts of the isoflavones

found in soybeans and I guess those could cause small problems if you

consume a rediculous amount of it, without getting enough iodine from

kelp or other seaweeds.

But the benefits far outweigh any negatives IMO, and the WestBrae Miso

(a Hain company) uses more Rice than soybeans in most of theirs, so if

you want less soy get the WestBrae, its the cheapest traditional Miso

and its at wholefoods for like $3.69 for 13 oz.

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[Guest guest]

>

> What are those reasons? I was about to go buy some and slather on my

> gruel.

,

's reasons why not = soy isoflavones/estrogenic compounds, I bet.

B.

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>'s reasons why not = soy isoflavones/estrogenic compounds, I bet.

You know me too well.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks!

On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:41 AM, gdawson6 wrote:

> But the benefits far outweigh any negatives IMO, and the WestBrae Miso

> (a Hain company) uses more Rice than soybeans in most of theirs, so if

> you want less soy get the WestBrae, its the cheapest traditional Miso

> and its at wholefoods for like $3.69 for 13 oz.

>

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South River Miso is the very best. They have soy free as well as some

delicious varieties:

www.southrivermiso.com

Parashis wrote:

> Thanks!

>

> On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:41 AM, gdawson6 wrote:

>

> > But the benefits far outweigh any negatives IMO, and the WestBrae Miso

> > (a Hain company) uses more Rice than soybeans in most of theirs, so if

> > you want less soy get the WestBrae, its the cheapest traditional Miso

> > and its at wholefoods for like $3.69 for 13 oz.

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> > > But the benefits far outweigh any negatives IMO, and the

WestBrae Miso

> > > (a Hain company) uses more Rice than soybeans in most of theirs,

so if

> > > you want less soy get the WestBrae, its the cheapest traditional

Miso

> > > and its at wholefoods for like $3.69 for 13 oz.

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