healthy collectivism

[Guest guest]

Weston A. Price in the book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration "

talks about how well-nourished people in well-nourished societies

are more collectivist - they base their actions on the well-being of

the whole community, while in the more malnourished areas people are

more individualistic - base their actions on their own well-being.

I got a funny lecture from G. yesterday where he

asked me, prior to showing the film " Beyond Treason " to the public,

to read a statement. In the statement he wanted me to ask the

public not to take what they saw in the film and conclude that the

right thing to do is to side with other governments against our

own. He said the key issue is to discern the difference between

collectivism and individualism. But his views were opposite - it is

the collectivism of our current government that is evil - they feel

it is justified to sacrifice us and citizens of other countries for

the greater good, and we should persue individualism, or the

importance of the individual and their freedoms and right to health

and life.

I thought it odd that the two views of the same words were so

disparate, but then realized in the primitive societies, the

individuals were the ones who made the choice to be sacrificed, for

their own ideals, where in G. 's view, collectivism

means the government is sacrificing some of us without our knowledge

or consent, for goals we don't understand, and often not for the

greater good of society as much as the good of those in power.

The movie makes fantastic allegations that the U.S. Gov't knew Iraq

had weapons of mass destruction because we sold them to them, and

that contrary to what was on the news, we did find them and

destroyed all evidence. I don't know what to think of that.

What I do know is that we are in serious trouble if we don't fix the

nutritional problems of this world and people continue to degenerate

into these sociapathic ways of thinking, whether we call them

individualism or collectivism.

[Guest guest]

haecklers haecklers@... wrote

Weston A. Price in the book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration "

talks about how well-nourished people in well-nourished societies

are more collectivist - they base their actions on the well-being of

the whole community,

I see this as cooperative or egalitarian. A resultant strong yet secure tribal

ethic, built from many generations working by tribal consensus through many

examples of individual actions that put everyone else at risk of survival. All

know how to survive individually and are considered individuals by all the

others. They also know they could be shunned or banished by the others for

despotic behavior outside the tribal ethic. They'd either adapted to their

location so there was food for everyone or they could move elsewhere. Individual

or hierarchial rulership without the check and balance of all others destroys

these societies.

while in the more malnourished areas people are

more individualistic - base their actions on their own well-being.

Individualistic societies could have been at one time collectivist. Resources

became unavailable through inability or refusal to move and/or unchecked

hierarchy destroyed the tribal ethic.

I got a funny lecture from G. yesterday where he

asked me, prior to showing the film " Beyond Treason " to the public,

to read a statement. In the statement he wanted me to ask the

public not to take what they saw in the film and conclude that the

right thing to do is to side with other governments against our

own.

Answer isn't out there anywhere.

He said the key issue is to discern the difference between

collectivism and individualism. But his views were opposite - it is

the collectivism of our current government that is evil - they feel

it is justified to sacrifice us and citizens of other countries for

the greater good, and we should persue individualism, or the

importance of the individual and their freedoms and right to health

and life.

Answer is where we are, within ourselves and communities.

I thought it odd that the two views of the same words were so

disparate, but then realized in the primitive societies, the

individuals were the ones who made the choice to be sacrificed, for

their own ideals,

where in G. 's view, collectivism

means the government is sacrificing some of us without our knowledge

or consent, for goals we don't understand, and often not for the

greater good of society as much as the good of those in power.

There is sacrifice and choice with allowing others to live well besides

yourself. Sacrifice to a belief system that may or may not include your well

being. Sacrifice of your life and liberty to a belief system you chose because

your collective chose it.

The movie makes fantastic allegations that the U.S. Gov't knew Iraq

had weapons of mass destruction because we sold them to them, and

that contrary to what was on the news, we did find them and

destroyed all evidence. I don't know what to think of that.

More conspiracy theory.

What I do know is that we are in serious trouble if we don't fix the

nutritional problems of this world and people continue to degenerate

into these sociapathic ways of thinking, whether we call them

individualism or collectivism.

Isn't it self destructive?

Wanita

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