AZT or Weston Price type butter?

[Guest guest]

I am sure everyone here is aware of the possible health benefits

from butter with the nutritional level that Price used in

experiments and of the difficulty of obtaining such butter today.

You may not be aware, however, of the risks of AZT. Since few have

any desire here to read anything I read and often my references are

questioned here is a reference from Duesberg's website on AZT:

" Toxicity of AZT

Although AZT is an inhibitor of HIV DNA synthesis, it is not a

rational medication for persons with antibodies to HIV for the

following reasons: 1) there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS [33,

36]; 2) since no detectable RNA-dependent viral DNA synthesis

occurs, and since the number of infected cells remains stable once

the virus is neutralized by antibodies [33, 36], only cell DNA, with

or without proviruses of HIV, is terminated by AZT treatment.

Further, since AZT cannot distinguish infected from uninfected cells

and only 1 in 500 T-cells is infected in AIDS patients and

asymptomatic carriers [33, 36, 105], it kills 500 uninfected cells

for every infected cell. Thus AZT is inevitably toxic, killing 500

times more uninfected than infected cells; 3) particularly in view

of the hypothesis that HIV causes AIDS by killing T-cells [62-63, it

is irrational to overkill infected cells with AZT.

As expected from an inhibitor of DNA synthesis, many studies report

AZT-mediated cytotoxicity. Anemia, neutropenia, and leukopenia occur

in 20-50% with about 30-50% requiring transfusions within several

weeks [32, 50, 99, 113, 116]. Severe nausea from intestinal

intoxication is observed in up to 45% [99, 113, 123] and severe

muscle atrophy in 6-8% [8, 52, 99, 118]. Acute hepatitis, insomnia,

headaches, dementia seizures, and vomiting are also reported effects

of AZT [113]. Lymphomas appear in about 9% within one year on AZT

[94]. AZT is also mutagenic and carcinogenic in animals [23, 129]

and transforms cells in vitro as effectively as methylcholanthrene

[21]. AZT toxicity varies a great deal with the subject treated, due

to differences in kinases involved in its uptake and in AZT

metabolism [21, 39, 113, 130].

Nevertheless, AZT is thought to have serendipitous therapeutic

benefits based on the only placebo-controlled study of its effects

on AIDS patients [43, 99]. The study was sponsored by Burroughs-

Wellcome, the manufacturer of AZT [43, 99]. In this study T-cell

counts were observed to increase from 4-8 weeks and then to decline

to pretreatment levels. Further AZT was claimed to decrease

mortality because only 1 out of 143 in the AZT-treated group died

compared to 19 out of 135 in the placebo group.

However, 30 out of the 143 in the AZT-group depended on multiple

transfusions to survive anemia, compared to only 5 out of the 135 in

the placebo group. Since the number of subjects in the AZT- group

who would have died from anemia if untreated was 30, and thus larger

than the AIDS deaths and anemias of the control group combined 19 +

5, the claim of decreased mortality is not realistic [43, 99].

Moreover, 66 in the AZT group suffered from severe nausea and 11

from muscle atrophy compared to only 25 and 3 in the control group.

The lymphocyte count decreased over 50% in 34% of the subjects in

the AZT group and in only 6% of those in the control group. The

study is further comprimised by concomitant medication [99], the

failure to consider the effects of recreational drug use and of

patient-initiated randomization of blinded AZT and placebo

treatments [69]. The brief AZT-induced gain of T-cells may reflect

compensatory hemopoiesis and random killing of pathogenic parasites

[39] and the influence of concomitant medication [99].

Surprisingly, long-term studies of AZT in animals compatible with

human applications have not been published [113, 130]. In view of

the inevitable toxicity of AZT, its popularity as an anti-HIV drug

can only be explained by the widespread acceptance of the virus-

AIDS hypothesis and the failure to consider the enormous difference

between the viral and cellular DNA targets. "

Of course this is taken out of context from one of Duesberg's

papers. The complete paper with his references is at:

http://www.duesberg.com/papers/pdbiopharm.html

Chi

[Guest guest]

Chi-

>Since few have

>any desire here to read anything I read

I have all four volumes of the Albrecht Papers, NAPD, Voisin's _Soil,

Grass and Cancer_, and the Acres USA primer on my shelf. Admittedly

the only one I've read pretty completely to date is NAPD, but I'll

get to them all eventually.

At any rate, the Duesberg argument you posted certainly looks

compelling on first glance, and the following datum in particular

should be accorded great weight.

>>Surprisingly, long-term studies of AZT in animals compatible with

>>human applications have not been published [113, 130].

I can think of no reason supportive animal studies wouldn't have been

done and published -- except for their failure and the manufacturer's

desire not to harm sales.

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[Guest guest]

--- In , Idol <paul_idol@y...>

wrote:

> I have all four volumes of the Albrecht Papers, NAPD,

> Voisin's _Soil, Grass and Cancer_, and the Acres

> USA primer on my shelf. Admittedly the only one I've read

> pretty completely to date is NAPD, but I'll

> get to them all eventually.

Hi :

Before reading " The Albrecht Papers " and " Soil Grass and Cancer " , how

I viewed things might have been quite similar to your position now. It

will be interesting if your postion changes after having read all 6

books.

I read the primer first because in trying to read the others I quickly

realized I understood little of what was being said. After the primer

I read three volumes of " The Albrecht Papers " (only three were

published at the time) and then " Soil Grass and Cancer " . Reading the

primer actually made it very easy for me to read and understand the

other books but didn't prevent me from talking with my tongue in my

cheek from time to time.

Chi

[Guest guest]

>I have all four volumes of the Albrecht Papers, NAPD, Voisin's _Soil,

>Grass and Cancer_, and the Acres USA primer on my shelf. Admittedly

>the only one I've read pretty completely to date is NAPD, but I'll

>get to them all eventually.

Wow! I'm drooling with envy, if that is possible. (I like mixing cliches.)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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[Guest guest]

Suze-

>Wow! I'm drooling with envy, if that is possible. (I like mixing cliches.)

I'm kind of foolish when it comes to books. I tend to purchase way

ahead of my available reading time. I do get to them all in the end, though.

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[Guest guest]

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

>

> Suze-

> >Wow! I'm drooling with envy, if that is possible. (I like mixing

> >cliches.)

>

> I'm kind of foolish when it comes to books. I tend to

> purchase way ahead of my available reading time. I do get to

> them all in the end, though.

One might say that your eyes are bigger than your...uh...eyes.

But then, one probably shouldn't.

[Guest guest]

On 1/22/06, Idol <paul_idol@...> wrote:

> Chi-

>

> >Since few have

> >any desire here to read anything I read

>

> I have all four volumes of the Albrecht Papers, NAPD, Voisin's _Soil,

> Grass and Cancer_, and the Acres USA primer on my shelf. Admittedly

> the only one I've read pretty completely to date is NAPD, but I'll

> get to them all eventually.

Well the sooner you can get to them the better. They are life/paradigm

changing, to say the least.

--

" The stone age ended, but not because of any lack or stones.

Undoubtedly the oil age will end the same way. "

Sheik Yamani, one time oil minister to Saudi Arabia

[Guest guest]

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>One might say that your eyes are bigger than your...uh...eyes.

>

>But then, one probably shouldn't.

Yeah, I might wind up as an anime character or something.

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[Guest guest]

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>Well the sooner you can get to them the better. They are life/paradigm

>changing, to say the least.

I have no doubt, but there are serious limits to how much I can

implement anything I could possibly learn from them at the moment. I

live in NYC, I don't have gigantic amounts of capital, etc. All I'm

able to do is pick the least-bad foods that are presently available

to me until such time as I can move, buy my own farm, hire a farmer,

befriend a farmer and educate him on soil fertility, or something

else along those lines.

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[Guest guest]

On 1/23/06, Idol <paul_idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >Well the sooner you can get to them the better. They are life/paradigm

> >changing, to say the least.

>

> I have no doubt, but there are serious limits to how much I can

> implement anything I could possibly learn from them at the moment. I

> live in NYC, I don't have gigantic amounts of capital, etc. All I'm

> able to do is pick the least-bad foods that are presently available

> to me until such time as I can move, buy my own farm, hire a farmer,

> befriend a farmer and educate him on soil fertility, or something

> else along those lines.

I hear ya. I am pretty much in the same position. However don't

downplay the idea of educating a farmer/food producer. It does happen

as I can personally attest to. If you regularly do business with them

they should be willing to at least listen.

--

" The stone age ended, but not because of any lack or stones.

Undoubtedly the oil age will end the same way. "

Sheik Yamani, one time oil minister to Saudi Arabia