Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Please don't do it! The fermentation would be great for your dog, but not in brine/salt! Some time ago I made the mistake of giving my dog salted fish. She loved it and looked forward to it every day, but the longterm use of salt in a dog's diet is very debilitating. It causes the dog to develop a type of Canine 's Disease, in which the adrenal glands atop the kidneys fail, followed by urinary complications and muscle wasting, even to the point of muscle seizures and muscle failure. After I realized my mistake, I took her off salt completely and she recovered somewhat, but the muscles in her haunches never recovered from atrophy completely. She lived to be 14 (very old for a dalmatian) but I think her quality of life could have been a lot better if I hadn't overdone it with the salt. If you come up with another way to ferment the organ meats for your dog, please post it - I'd love to know about it. Maybe try whey instead? Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote: Hello All, I know this topic has come up once or twice, but I'm interested in finding someone who has succcessfully fermented their dog's food. I currently feed raw. I usually individually freeze Jez's food and then put it in a bag in the freezer so its easy for my SO to feed her. Individual freezing takes a lot of time and its getting to be a real PITA. Right now I have a batch of organ meats that I haven't gotten to individually freezing. I don't really want to... LOL! So I was thinking of just tossing the whole mess into some brine and leaving it on the counter to feed her from throughout the week. Would that work? How much salt should I use per cup of water? She's only 12 lbs so I don't want to overload her. Thanks! -Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 > >Please don't do it! The fermentation would be great for your dog, >but not in brine/salt! Some time ago I made the mistake of giving >my dog salted fish. She loved it and looked forward to it every >day, but the longterm use of salt in a dog's diet is very >debilitating. It causes the dog to develop a type of Canine >'s Disease, in which the adrenal glands atop the kidneys >fail, followed by urinary complications and muscle wasting, even >to the point of muscle seizures and muscle failure. Are you sure that too much salt can lead to 's disease? I'm having one of my dogs tested for 's tomorrow morning. Her serum sodium level was in the normal range, but her serum potassium was elevated. A sodium/potassium ratio below 27 is typical in 's disease (in dogs), which is why I can't make sense of why salt would increase the risk of 's. If the sodium level were lower, then the ratio would be lower. So it seems to indicate that LOW sodium/high potassium is indicative of s, not high sodium. But I've only been reading about s over the past few days so am certainly no expert on it. If you have any references for the idea that high salt can lead to 's I'd appreciate it! After I >realized my mistake, I took her off salt completely and she >recovered somewhat, but the muscles in her haunches never >recovered from atrophy completely. She lived to be 14 (very old >for a dalmatian) but I think her quality of life could have been a >lot better if I hadn't overdone it with the salt. If you come up >with another way to ferment the organ meats for your dog, please >post it - I'd love to know about it. Maybe try whey instead? Kefir whey is the thing I've had the best success with. BTW, I give both of my dogs a splash of kimchi juice twice daily with their meals and there is some salt in that. But neither one has elevated serum sodium levels. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 >I know this topic has come up once or twice, but I'm interested in >finding someone who has succcessfully fermented their dog's food. > >I currently feed raw. I usually individually freeze Jez's food and >then put it in a bag in the freezer so its easy for my SO to feed her. > Individual freezing takes a lot of time and its getting to be a real >PITA. > >Right now I have a batch of organ meats that I haven't gotten to >individually freezing. I don't really want to... LOL! So I was >thinking of just tossing the whole mess into some brine and leaving it >on the counter to feed her from throughout the week. Would that work? > >How much salt should I use per cup of water? She's only 12 lbs so I >don't want to overload her. Lana, I used to ferment my dogs' food in kefir whey with some salt added. But definitely not brine. I don't recall the exact recipe, I always just eyeballed ingredients. But I always used kefir whey, Celtic sea salt, pureed berries or berry powder and/or some other kind of starch to feed the bacteria. The food is ground, so I used to mix it all up in a big bowl and let it sit out for 4 or more hours then refrigerate. The liquid always covered the meat, I think this is important, just as it is when you're making kimchi or kraut. I'd say just try experimenting! Use kefir whey if possible since some bacteria in kefir ferments meat. Failiing that, try kimchi juice or EM perhaps. Or maybe try Aajonus' high meat, which I've been thinking about trying on my dogs sometime, but just haven't had time to look into it. Good luck! Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Right you are about the low salt-high potassium ratio causing " classic " Canine 's Disease. When I first realized my dog was having a serious problem, I had never even heard of this disease, so when I was told it was a " kind of reverse 's " it really didn't mean anything to me until I read about the " classic " 's. In fact, in a dog as in humans, the key to cellular survival is the right sodium-potassium ratio, which allows fluids bearing nutrients and/or toxins to migrate into and out of the body's cells. But when the balance is thrown off one way or the other, this biochemical pumping mechanism is thrown out of kilter. The result is toxins don't get pumped out ot the cells, and nutrients don't get pumped in. Cellular death results, and apparently that begins or concentrates in the adrenal glands. So while classic s involves too much potassium (not too much sodium), the high levels of sodium that I was feeding my dog eventually led to exactly identical symptoms as the classic textbook disease, even though from an opposite cause, because the relationship of the two elements (salt-potassium) is at the crux of the disease, not one element or the other. Hence, my dog's case was described as " a kind of reverse 's " . I should have written that in my original message. Sorry to throw you off. You are right in your info about the high potassium levels in classic 's. Keep reading and asking questions about it. It's a terrible disease for any dog or dog owner, and the more we know the better off we are. Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > >Please don't do it! The fermentation would be great for your dog, >but not in brine/salt! Some time ago I made the mistake of giving >my dog salted fish. She loved it and looked forward to it every >day, but the longterm use of salt in a dog's diet is very >debilitating. It causes the dog to develop a type of Canine >'s Disease, in which the adrenal glands atop the kidneys >fail, followed by urinary complications and muscle wasting, even >to the point of muscle seizures and muscle failure. Are you sure that too much salt can lead to 's disease? I'm having one of my dogs tested for 's tomorrow morning. Her serum sodium level was in the normal range, but her serum potassium was elevated. A sodium/potassium ratio below 27 is typical in 's disease (in dogs), which is why I can't make sense of why salt would increase the risk of 's. If the sodium level were lower, then the ratio would be lower. So it seems to indicate that LOW sodium/high potassium is indicative of s, not high sodium. But I've only been reading about s over the past few days so am certainly no expert on it. If you have any references for the idea that high salt can lead to 's I'd appreciate it! After I >realized my mistake, I took her off salt completely and she >recovered somewhat, but the muscles in her haunches never >recovered from atrophy completely. She lived to be 14 (very old >for a dalmatian) but I think her quality of life could have been a >lot better if I hadn't overdone it with the salt. If you come up >with another way to ferment the organ meats for your dog, please >post it - I'd love to know about it. Maybe try whey instead? Kefir whey is the thing I've had the best success with. BTW, I give both of my dogs a splash of kimchi juice twice daily with their meals and there is some salt in that. But neither one has elevated serum sodium levels. Suze Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 So >while classic s involves too much potassium (not too much >sodium), the high levels of sodium that I was feeding my dog >eventually led to exactly identical > symptoms as the classic textbook disease, even though from an >opposite cause, because the relationship of the two elements >(salt-potassium) is at the crux of the disease, not one element or >the other. Hence, my dog's case was described as " a kind of >reverse 's " . I should have written that in my original >message. Sorry to throw you off. You are right in your info about >the high potassium levels in classic 's. Keep reading and >asking questions about it. It's a terrible disease for any dog or >dog owner, and the more we know the better off we are. Well I had the ACTH test done on Mokie earlier this week, and although her potassium/sodium ratio was typical of 's (HYPOadrenocorticism) the ACTH test showed that she actually has Cusing's Disease (HYPERadrenocorticism). Ugh! We're doing the Low Dose Dexamethasone test next week to determine whether it's pituitary-based Cushings or adrenal-based. I'm almost hoping it's atypical Cushings which I think responds to more natural treatments at times. Ironically, some of the typical drug treatments for Cushing's cause many dogs to develop s by completely turning off production of glucocorticoids or the other steroids the adrenal gland produces :-( Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- >-----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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