Re: : Schulze superfood/excitotoxins

September 4, 2006

I personally believe that no one microorganism was meant to be isolated.

They should come in colonies of synergistic bacteria. What one messes up,

another fixes. Without that synergy, lots of things can go wrong.

As for whether this would cause brain damage, I don't know.

-Lana

On 9/4/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> or anyone else,

>

> This article is by a competitor and I'm curious what

> you (all) think:

>

> http://www.daystarbotanicals.com/nutritionalyeast.html

>

> Am I giving myself a dose of brain damage every morning?

> B.

>

September 4, 2006

That is interesting. However, just because they may be cousins doesn't mean

they elicit the same response. They may but then again, they may not. I

believe NT only recommended one brand of nutritional yeast (I don't

remember which) because it was free of MSG and most brands have some MSG in

them. I wonder if Shulze tests his yeast for MSG contamination.

Using yeast to stretch the product could very well be a practice in the

industry. I tried some of Dr. Schulze's Superfood once and it tasted so bad

I never reordered. We took to calling it Super-nasty-food. I don't recall

it having nutritional yeast but that was over a year ago. Right now I'm

using some greens mix from the Institute For Vibrant Living which actually

tastes halfway good and doesn't have yeast listed in the ingredients. I

just bought some Quantum Greens mix but haven't opened it yet so I don't

know how it tastes. Another decent one is Rousch's Better than Greens. If

I remember right, it didn't have yeast in it either and it's cheaper than

the one being sold in the link you provided. Quantum is $29.95/bottle for

72 servings.

If Shulze is cutting his stuff with yeast, it should be cheaper than it is.

On that, I agree with the article.

> or anyone else,

>

>This article is by a competitor and I'm curious what

>you (all) think:

>

><http://www.daystarbotanicals.com/nutritionalyeast.html>http://www.daystarbotan\

icals.com/nutritionalyeast.html

>

>Am I giving myself a dose of brain damage every morning?

> B.

>

September 4, 2006

>

> That is interesting. However, just because they may be cousins

doesn't mean

> they elicit the same response. They may but then again, they may not. I

> believe NT only recommended one brand of nutritional yeast (I don't

> remember which) because it was free of MSG and most brands have some

MSG in

> them. I wonder if Shulze tests his yeast for MSG contamination.

>

> Using yeast to stretch the product could very well be a practice in the

> industry. I tried some of Dr. Schulze's Superfood once and it tasted

so bad

> I never reordered. We took to calling it Super-nasty-food. I don't

recall

> it having nutritional yeast but that was over a year ago. Right now I'm

> using some greens mix from the Institute For Vibrant Living which

actually

> tastes halfway good and doesn't have yeast listed in the ingredients. I

> just bought some Quantum Greens mix but haven't opened it yet so I

don't

> know how it tastes. Another decent one is Rousch's Better than

Greens. If

> I remember right, it didn't have yeast in it either and it's cheaper

than

> the one being sold in the link you provided. Quantum is

$29.95/bottle for

> 72 servings.

>

> If Shulze is cutting his stuff with yeast, it should be cheaper than

it is.

> On that, I agree with the article.

>

,

Well, I don't think he's " cutting " or " stretching " it with yeast, he

considers the yeast to be a superfood, just like WAPF. Superfood

isn't a " green " drink, exactly, but a whole food supplement including

greens and sea vegetables. I bought it as a way to get vitamin K,

folate and vitamin C in a convenient whole foods form. Shame on me.

As far as profiteering, who knows? The recipe is readily available to

make it at home, in fact it's in the files section of this group.

The yeast recommended by WAPF is Frontier btw.

is well-acquainted with Schulze products and WAP nutrition

both so I'm hoping he'll know something about it, especially since

this ambiguously muckraking piece came out in 2002. I can call the

Schulze people tomorrow and ask about it--but guess what they'll say?

Geez, this is what I get for messing with processed foods--an MSG

headache.

B.

September 4, 2006

>,

>Well, I don't think he's " cutting " or " stretching " it with yeast, he

>considers the yeast to be a superfood, just like WAPF. Superfood

>isn't a " green " drink, exactly, but a whole food supplement including

>greens and sea vegetables. I bought it as a way to get vitamin K,

>folate and vitamin C in a convenient whole foods form. Shame on me.

,

I guess I should have thought a little more about what I said. I also

consider nutritional yeast a super food and I use it. But I buy greens

mixes for the greens. I can take my yeast separately. I like to sprinkle a

little on salads for one. The article (or product plug) did say that some

were using 50-60% yeast. That's too much in my opinion and I would consider

that cutting or stretching the greens mix. I doubt Schulze is using that

much. If he is, he's over-charging. If he's not, I'd say he's in line with

other greens mixes in price and I have no problem paying that much for a

quality product.

I'm a fan of Dr. Schulze and I do us some of his supplements. But I don't

think I'll ever buy the Superfood again. I get that type of thing for the

greens specifically and his is just YUCKY! I don't know if it's possible to

make a greens mix taste good but one that tastes as bad as his is more than

I can handle.

I'll be interested to hear what has to say as well as the Schulze

people. As long as his yeast contains no MSG and he doesn't overdo it, I

would get it again if he ever makes it taste better. As I said before, it's

been over a year since I've had his but I don't recall it being yellowish

in color. You've got some. Is it green or does it have a yellow tint like

the guy said in the article?

Obviously, the guy is trying to sell his so you've got to take it with a

grain of salt (Celtic sea or Himalayan preferably). I'm somewhat skeptical

but I'd also be the same if Schulze had a smear piece on a competitor on

his sight. I might have to check out the recipe and make my own and do it

perfectly and make it taste good and then write nasty articles about

everyone else's.

September 4, 2006

.... As I said before, it's

> been over a year since I've had his but I don't recall it being

yellowish

> in color. You've got some. Is it green or does it have a yellow tint

like

> the guy said in the article?

,

It's green--but dark from the dulse, too--but has the yellow-ish tint

of one part yeast flakes added to the mix.

I've never tried green drink mixes before so I didn't realize this was

particularly nasty-- " super(nasty)food " , hehe.

Inured to the fact that the super foods aren't neccesarily

palate-pleasers, I thought it tasted inoffensive, though when I had

the recommended two tablespoons it was a bit much, not flavor-wise,

just. too. much. So I only take one tablespoon.

I was monitoring my diet with an online program and each day it came

up short in vit K and folate so I thought this would help, plus I'm

always meaning to eat algae/seaweeds and grasses on a consistant basis

but never do, so I thought it would do the trick. And with the vitamin

C, it seemed to meet my need for efficiency and fewer bottles of supps

on the shelf.

Oh, and I didn't mean to come off as defensive about Schulze, I only

bought this because iirc thinks highly of the product. That's

why I never purchased a green drink before, because the options were

too overwhelming for me.

The recipes for Superfood I've seen show equal parts of all the

ingredients by volume, so yeast wouldn't be 50-60% of the finished

product--but maybe by weight? I assume it's a legitimate recipe, as

his tincture recipes are also public, but I haven't any idea.

Here it is, so y'all can avoid all the sexy singles spam files there:

SUPERFOOD

Mix equal parts (in volume, not weight) of the following:

Spirulina powder

Chlorella powder

Alfalfa grass powder

Barley grass powder

Wheat grass powder

Purple dulse seaweed powder

Beet root powder

Spinach leaf powder

Rose Hips powder

Orange peel powder

Lemon peels powder

Non-active Nutritional Yeast

B.

September 4, 2006

IMHO, at best it is an adjunct, and intervention for a

weaken body. Real food properly prepared, like real living

probiotics; kefir, yogurt, saurkraut, natuurally healthy

_real_ food.

live free and healthy

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist

http://HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

September 5, 2006

Is green superfood part of a traditional diet or is it to fill in the

gap for us industrial age children? I can't help but think, why not

just eat greens or get them secondhand through the cows or animals that

eat the grasses? Is that not enough?

September 5, 2006

--- In , " Rose " <Dandeliongold22@...>

wrote:

>

> Is green superfood part of a traditional diet or is it to fill in the

> gap for us industrial age children? I can't help but think, why not

> just eat greens or get them secondhand through the cows or animals that

> eat the grasses? Is that not enough?

" Rose " ,

From the WAPF website:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html

" Superfoods—as opposed to vitamins or supplements—are foods that

naturally concentrate important nutrients. Unlike dietary supplements,

or vitamins taken in isolation, superfoods provide many nutrients that

support each other and prevent the kind of imbalances that often occur

when vitamins are taken singly.

Do we need superfoods? In theory, if the diet is good, we should need

nothing more to supplement our daily fare; but can even the most

conscientious among us say that our diet is or has been perfect? With

the depletion of our soils, the widespread use of additives and the

prevalence of sugar, refined carbohydrates and rancid vegetable oils,

which all of us have invariably ingested—if not in adulthood, at least

in our youth—no one living in an industrial society today can say that

his diet has been perfect. For those unwilling or unable to give up

bad habits like caffeine, alcohol or smoking, a daily supply of

superfoods is essential.

Even those who live in isolated primitive societies seek out special

foods for optimum health—foods high in fat-soluble vitamins, such as

fish eggs and organ meats, to ensure reproduction and strong healthy

children; soaked grains for strength and stamina; and herbs to prevent

certain diseases... "

B.

September 5, 2006

Just a note here on greens. I have tried to grow wheat grass which is one

the items here, and it is very difficult. It appears to be easier to grow

in a field but at home it gets a lot of mold. So, if you want it and don't

want to mess with the hassles of mold, etc., then buy it in a mix.

JMO

Allyn

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of downwardog7

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: : Schulze superfood/excitotoxins

--- In @ <mailto: %40>

, " Rose " <Dandeliongold22@...>

wrote:

>

> Is green superfood part of a traditional diet or is it to fill in the

> gap for us industrial age children? I can't help but think, why not

> just eat greens or get them secondhand through the cows or animals that

> eat the grasses? Is that not enough?

" Rose " ,

From the WAPF website:

http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html>

rice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html

" Superfoods-as opposed to vitamins or supplements-are foods that

naturally concentrate important nutrients. Unlike dietary supplements,

or vitamins taken in isolation, superfoods provide many nutrients that

support each other and prevent the kind of imbalances that often occur

when vitamins are taken singly.

Do we need superfoods? In theory, if the diet is good, we should need

nothing more to supplement our daily fare; but can even the most

conscientious among us say that our diet is or has been perfect? With

the depletion of our soils, the widespread use of additives and the

prevalence of sugar, refined carbohydrates and rancid vegetable oils,

which all of us have invariably ingested-if not in adulthood, at least

in our youth-no one living in an industrial society today can say that

his diet has been perfect. For those unwilling or unable to give up

bad habits like caffeine, alcohol or smoking, a daily supply of

superfoods is essential.

Even those who live in isolated primitive societies seek out special

foods for optimum health-foods high in fat-soluble vitamins, such as

fish eggs and organ meats, to ensure reproduction and strong healthy

children; soaked grains for strength and stamina; and herbs to prevent

certain diseases... "

B.

September 5, 2006

Just because it is in a mix doesn't mean it is free of mold. It's just not

as evident to you - eaiser to " swallow " , so to speak, than using your own

which is definitely difficult to grow.

Sharon

On 9/5/06, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

>

> Just a note here on greens. I have tried to grow wheat grass which is

> one

> the items here, and it is very difficult. It appears to be easier to grow

> in a field but at home it gets a lot of mold. So, if you want it and don't

> want to mess with the hassles of mold, etc., then buy it in a mix.

>

> JMO

>

> Allyn

>

> _____

>

> From: < %40>

> [mailto: < %40>]

> On Behalf Of downwardog7

> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:41 AM

> < %40>

> Subject: Re: : Schulze superfood/excitotoxins

>

> >

> > Is green superfood part of a traditional diet or is it to fill in the

> > gap for us industrial age children? I can't help but think, why not

> > just eat greens or get them secondhand through the cows or animals that

> > eat the grasses? Is that not enough?

>

> " Rose " ,

>

> From the WAPF website:

>

> http://www.westonap

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html>

> rice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html

>

> " Superfoods-as opposed to vitamins or supplements-are foods that

> naturally concentrate important nutrients. Unlike dietary supplements,

> or vitamins taken in isolation, superfoods provide many nutrients that

> support each other and prevent the kind of imbalances that often occur

> when vitamins are taken singly.

>

> Do we need superfoods? In theory, if the diet is good, we should need

> nothing more to supplement our daily fare; but can even the most

> conscientious among us say that our diet is or has been perfect? With

> the depletion of our soils, the widespread use of additives and the

> prevalence of sugar, refined carbohydrates and rancid vegetable oils,

> which all of us have invariably ingested-if not in adulthood, at least

> in our youth-no one living in an industrial society today can say that

> his diet has been perfect. For those unwilling or unable to give up

> bad habits like caffeine, alcohol or smoking, a daily supply of

> superfoods is essential.

>

> Even those who live in isolated primitive societies seek out special

> foods for optimum health-foods high in fat-soluble vitamins, such as

> fish eggs and organ meats, to ensure reproduction and strong healthy

> children; soaked grains for strength and stamina; and herbs to prevent

> certain diseases... "

>

> B.

>

September 5, 2006

Unless they are getting their wheat grass from field grown versus being

grown in a large warehouse, they probably don't have mold in it.

Allyn

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharon son

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re: : Schulze superfood/excitotoxins

Just because it is in a mix doesn't mean it is free of mold. It's just not

as evident to you - eaiser to " swallow " , so to speak, than using your own

which is definitely difficult to grow.

Sharon

On 9/5/06, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net>

verizon.net> wrote:

>

> Just a note here on greens. I have tried to grow wheat grass which is

> one

> the items here, and it is very difficult. It appears to be easier to grow

> in a field but at home it gets a lot of mold. So, if you want it and don't

> want to mess with the hassles of mold, etc., then buy it in a mix.

>

> JMO

>

> Allyn

>

> _____

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

< %40>

> [mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

< %40>]

> On Behalf Of downwardog7

> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:41 AM

> @ <mailto: %40>

< %40>

> Subject: Re: : Schulze superfood/excitotoxins

>

> >

> > Is green superfood part of a traditional diet or is it to fill in the

> > gap for us industrial age children? I can't help but think, why not

> > just eat greens or get them secondhand through the cows or animals that

> > eat the grasses? Is that not enough?

>

> " Rose " ,

>

> From the WAPF website:

>

> http://www.westonap

> <http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html>

rice.org/basicnutrition/superfoods.html>