Re: wisdom teeth and crowding

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January 26, 2006

,

>() I am very careful because my teeth stain terribly. I was only

>> drinking a latte once a week and at my 4 month cleaning my

>dentist said my

>> teeth looked like a regular smoker/red wine drinker/chocolate/coffee

>> indulger...

Uh oh, I drink decaf every day (does that count?), drink red wine most days

and eat chocolate (in the form of homemade coconut candies) daily, so I

guess it's no wonder my teeth are stained!

and I only drank coffee and chocolate sporadically. Thom says

>> that propensity to staining is directly related to saliva composition.

Do you know what composition protects the teeth from staining?

>Receding gums are two fold. It is a function of teeth/gum hygiene and

>overall health. You might want to try the Sonicare 7800 Elite Series

>electric toothbrush. You will have to weight out the EMF's of an electric

>toothbrush against the superior job that an electric toothbrush does.

I've been using an Oral B/Braun that I got from Walmart for about 2-3 weeks

now. My mom says her gums are growing back since she began using it. Her

teeth also don't look stained. The brush supposedly results in 80% whitening

of teeth. I have already noticed less staining since using it, but nothing

on the gums yet - probably too soon for that. I couldn't afford the

Sonicare. The Oral B was around $30, IIRC.

Also, in regards to overall health, I think Heidi posted that her gums grew

back after she went GF. I have a confirmed allergy to cow's milk casein, but

was eating sheep and goat milk cheese regularly until last week and I'm

noticing health improvements since then, so I'm wondering if going off ALL

casein will affect my gums too.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

January 26, 2006

,

>> I'd also like to know if it's at all possible that something in

>the WAP diet

>> might cause teeth crowding in an adult born with a narrow dental arch?

>

>Perhaps it is causing your teeth to grow somewhat, but your dental

>arch is fixed?

Is it possible for your teeth to grow in your late 30's/early 40's??

>

>> It also occurred to me that my food allergies probably started around the

>> same time I started on a WAP diet since I loaded up on raw dairy

>after being

>> introduced to the WAPF literature. So perhaps my casein allergy

>has damaged

>> my gut and prevented nutrients from getting to my mouth that

>would prevent

>> the crowding?

>

>Maybe, but do you think your arch is actually shrinking then? It

>would seem that either your arch would have to shrink or your teeth

>would have to grow, or push out.

Actually, what I was thinking is that the crowding is due to the positioning

of my wisdom teeth (although apparently the ADA or orthodontic assoc. don't

agree) and that the wisdom teeth may have been kept in place by being

properly nourished, but when my casein allergy began, or accelerated or

whatever, that the nutrients were no longer reaching the wisdom teeth. This

thought has absolutely no basis in anything though - it's just pure

speculation. It's just weird that I've *always* had a narrow dental arch but

straight teeth until recently. Although I suspect they've been moving toward

the front of my mouth for some time, but at a *very* slow pace. I do

remember a time in my adulthood when my two top front teeth were not

touching, which they now are.

>

>By the way, I got an awesome toothpaste that uses artic moss called

>Blanx. I got it in a dental specialty store for $19, though it's

>supposed to be a 3-month supply.

Does it work well against staining?

>> Lastly, it looks like I will have to wear braces for upwards of

>two years!

>> Maybe less. Does anyone here wear braces? Are they irritating at

>all? Is it

>> hard to clean your teeth with them on? The orthodontist said once

>they come

>> off then I'd have to use a retainer indefinitely, although not 24/7.

>

>Huh. My teeth are totally crowded, and I don't know why no one had me

>wear braces, and I didn't even realize I could now. But is that

>really worth it to wear a retainer for the rest of your life? How

>much will your teeth crowd if you don't?

That's the $64,000 question! I'm concerned that if they keep moving forward,

meaning, leaning toward the front of my mouth, that they will start

overlapping each other. I already have one tooth overlapping another. The

top looks pretty good to me, but the bottom is starting to look bad -

overlapping, leaning forward, etc. Having said that, the arch on the bottom

is appropriately " U " shaped but the top is not. The ends of the " U " flare

outward.

I told my mom yesterday this wouldn't have happened had she eaten properly

when pregnant with me, LOL. She had told me in the past that she ate a lot

of pasta during that time because they were poor. But when I told her that

her diet was inadequate for me to develop a wide enough dental arch to fit

all my teeth in as they should fit, she protested that she did in fact eat a

lot of liver and drank a lot of milk. Nonetheless, something was missing

from her diet. I'm walking around with the damning evidence. <g>

In any event, several days ago before she knew she could've prevented this,

she offered to pay for the orthodontic bills. Plus my insurance covers a

part of it. So at least I won't have to pay for it.

Re the retainer, the orthodontist said you don't have to wear it 24/7. You

just wear it if it seems like your teeth are moving again, maybe at night or

something. Plus, I'm hoping that removing the wisdom teeth will halt the

other teeth from pushing forward.

But I'm going to try to gather more information about all this before I

decide to do either procedure, although I think it's probably a good idea to

get the wisdom teeth out.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/6/pid/1141

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January 26, 2006

On 1/24/06, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> Gotta tell you that I'm addicted to my oral irrigator:

>

>

> This is the one that I use and they promote it as being special and magical

> and better than all of the rest. I don't know about that, but it does seem

> that mostly daily use for over a year has caused my gums to move back to

> their original margins. If I go too long without using it I start to get

> antsy.

I used a water pik and Dr. Schulze's Tooth and Gum Formula and it

helped restore my gums, which were receding. It wasn't the only thing

I was did but there was a noticeable improvement from its use.

> I'm having staining issues too that I'm not having too much luck with. Can't

> say anything intelligent about that.

All kinds of food can stain your teeth - chocolate, coffee, berries,

wine, etc. Mine also stain from cigar tobacco. In fact the last time I

had my teeth cleaned the dentist asked, " what are you smoking? Its not

cigarettes but it must be something? " That was funny cuz I had the

feeling she half expected me to say " marijuana " , LOL!

--

" The stone age ended, but not because of any lack or stones.

Undoubtedly the oil age will end the same way. "

Sheik Yamani, one time oil minister to Saudi Arabia

January 26, 2006

wrote:

>

> I used a water pik and Dr. Schulze's Tooth and Gum Formula and it

> helped restore my gums, which were receding. It wasn't the only thing

> I was did but there was a noticeable improvement from its use.

>

Would you mind sharing what else you did ?

and Where do you get Dr. Schulze's formula? What is in it, if you please?

Thanks

Ellen, getting longer in the tooth daily

January 26, 2006

Suze,

> Is it possible for your teeth to grow in your late 30's/early 40's??

I have no idea. Tooth are dynamic. That's how they can get cavities,

and then remineralize. They are living tissue.

> Actually, what I was thinking is that the crowding is due to the positioning

> of my wisdom teeth (although apparently the ADA or orthodontic assoc. don't

> agree) and that the wisdom teeth may have been kept in place by being

> properly nourished, but when my casein allergy began, or accelerated or

> whatever, that the nutrients were no longer reaching the wisdom teeth. This

> thought has absolutely no basis in anything though - it's just pure

> speculation.

That's a possibility, I guess, but it seems to me that everyone would

have their wisdom teeth erupted completely if they had an adequate

dental arch. Therefore, I would associate nutrition with their

eruption rather than their failure to erupt. I'm envisioning this as

analagous to someone who had crap nutrition in development and

therefore has a narrow pelvis, and then eats well and has a big baby.

The result is it hurts or is impossible to push it out, whereas the

result, had the good nutrition started from the beginning, would be a

big baby and a very easy childbirth because of the wide hips.

> >By the way, I got an awesome toothpaste that uses artic moss called

> >Blanx. I got it in a dental specialty store for $19, though it's

> >supposed to be a 3-month supply.

>

> Does it work well against staining?

That's what it's for -- a very effective yet non-abrasive

stain-remover -- but it is also shown to reduce inflammation of the

gums by something like 80 or 90%. An electric toothbrush enhances its

effectiveness. Since you picked one up, you migth want to hunt down

this toothpaste and give it a shot. Every once in a while I use

another toothpaste and it feels like the other tooth paste doesn't

even do anything now.

> That's the $64,000 question! I'm concerned that if they keep moving forward,

> meaning, leaning toward the front of my mouth, that they will start

> overlapping each other. I already have one tooth overlapping another.

My two bottom central incisors considerably overlap my bottom lateral

incisors. They've always been like that. I wish they weren't, but I

for damn sure wouldn't wear a retainer every day for the rest of my

life to fix it.

Chris

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January 27, 2006

>

> Dennis

> >

> >---Suze,

> >I'll tell you this for no charge: If you spend the money(as in

lots of

> >it), and endure the pain of wearing braces and the pain of

adjustments

> >and pain of brushing and pain of eating with braces

>

> So it's *painful* to wear the braces? Or is that more so the

result of

> working with an unskilled orthodontist?

> ><<<[Dennis second reply]><<><>There is inconvenience and some

pain due to the braces rubbing the inside of the cheks raw. When

this happens wax is placed on the brace [at your convenience]'til

the cheek heals and you eat more smoothies and fewer hamburgers and

salads for a while.. Each month or so the braces are tightened

(adjusted) to move the teeth and this causes some pain for several

days. Nothing a few aspirins won't solve, as I recall. My braces

were installed very inexpensively by an orthodontist at a dental

school and a year later a private orthodontist took over[at no

charge due to professional courtesy] as we had moved out of state.

Todays braces are plastic and they may not chew up the inside of the

cheeks so much. The orthodontists like to take quite a few X-rays

to check roots and something else. I didn't want all the X-rays

either. They're always telling me there harmless but i disagree.

>

> you BETTER WANT to

> >wear retainers the rest of your life. As soon as the braces are

> >removed and you stop wearing the braces a few days or so, the

teeth

> >move and the retainer doesn't fit any more.

>

> Did this happen to *you*? According to the orthodontist I saw,

every case is

> somewhat different, which makes sense to me. Some need to wear the

retainer

> more often than others, etc. No?

>

> <>[Dennis second reply]<><<><><><><There is a typo above. Stop

wearing the braces needs to read: stop wearing the retainers a few

days or so, the teeth move and the retainer doesn't fit any more.I

didn't like messing with the retainers and might have even lost them

a time or two. I kept leaving them out longer and longer intervals

and finally left them out so long they didn't fit. I had the braces

at roughly age 33 to 36, I think. Now i'm glad I kept my molars

cause I like them for chewing wheatgrass and salads, nowdays. At the

time my molars were still erupting and the molars probably, did,

cause my front teeth to crowd, since the braces have been removed.

Now 20 years later the top teeth are pretty straight and the lowers

have moved enough to push one of the front teeth back a bit. But no

problem with TMJ, occlusion, etcAFAIK. And as I said above, I still

have functional molars.

>

> Then there's no more

> >wearing the retainers and the money is still gone for the

> >orthodontist's next whim. Dennis

>

> Well, if you are supposed to wear the retainer but don't, I don't

think it's

> the orthodontists fault. But I don't know the specifics of the

situation you

> are talking about so can't really comment on it. Not that you

really wanted

> my opinion on it anyway.

>

> It seems like you had a bad experience. Thanks for sharing it, I'll

> definitely keep it in mind when I make a decision about what to do.

>

> <<>[Dennis second reply]<><><><><>It was ok but I didn't pay the

big bucks for this pain and inconvenience. And my teeth weren't

needing braces very badly anyway, IMO. I'd imagine the orthodontist

can do what they tell you they can do. Just be cautious of

the " every case is different " statements. Sort of pin them down

relative to what they specifically can and can't do for you. Maybe

even put it in writing. AND again, wear your retainers acc to Doc's

instructions. You're right I didn't and it's not Doc's fault.Dennis

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

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> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

>

January 27, 2006

On 1/26/06, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> >() I am very careful because my teeth stain terribly.

Uh oh, I drink decaf every day (does that count?), drink red wine most days

> and eat chocolate (in the form of homemade coconut candies) daily, so I

> guess it's no wonder my teeth are stained!

() I rarely drink coffee now, never drink red wine, rarely eat

chocolate, don't smoke...so it is a mystery how so little coffee could do so

much damage.

and I only drank coffee and chocolate sporadically. Thom says

> >> that propensity to staining is directly related to saliva composition.

>

> Do you know what composition protects the teeth from staining?

() No, that is the $64, 000 question...and neither does my dentist.

January 27, 2006

On 1/26/06, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote:

> There is inconvenience and some

> pain due to the braces rubbing the inside of the cheks raw. When

> this happens wax is placed on the brace [at your convenience]'til

> the cheek heals and you eat more smoothies and fewer hamburgers and

> salads for a while.. Each month or so the braces are tightened

> (adjusted) to move the teeth and this causes some pain for several

> days. Nothing a few aspirins won't solve, as I recall. My braces

> were installed very inexpensively by an orthodontist at a dental

> school and a year later a private orthodontist took over[at no

> charge due to professional courtesy] as we had moved out of state.

> Todays braces are plastic and they may not chew up the inside of the

> cheeks so much. The orthodontists like to take quite a few X-rays

> to check roots and something else. I didn't want all the X-rays

> either. They're always telling me there harmless but i disagree.

snip

> There is a typo above. Stop

> wearing the braces needs to read: stop wearing the retainers a few

> days or so, the teeth move and the retainer doesn't fit any more.I

> didn't like messing with the retainers and might have even lost them

> a time or two. I kept leaving them out longer and longer intervals

> and finally left them out so long they didn't fit. I had the braces

> at roughly age 33 to 36, I think.

It appears that brace technology has moved light years from the time

you had them in. They can be hidden (worn behind the teeth), lighter

materials, don't have to be worn as long, less interruptive of the

mouth and tongue, etc. But all that needs to be taken in context,

along the lines of low speed drills and other new tools for dentistry.

I was kinda duped by all the " hype " originally. Yes the drills are

" low speed " for example, but they ARE still drills, LOL. And things

like electronic anesthesia are only available for a few lighter

procedures. So all in all still a huge pain in the butt (and mouth).

But the real issue for me, like you, is that stupid retainer. Ain't

worth it in my opinion. Maybe for a couple of years but not for the

rest of my life. If my teeth were impacting some aspect of my life,

*maybe*, but otherwise for me it is just not worth dealing with. I

could easily see myself doing what you did.

--

" The stone age ended, but not because of any lack or stones.

Undoubtedly the oil age will end the same way. "

Sheik Yamani, one time oil minister to Saudi Arabia

January 30, 2006

>Now 20 years later the top teeth are pretty straight and the lowers

>have moved enough to push one of the front teeth back a bit. But no

>problem with TMJ, occlusion, etcAFAIK. And as I said above, I still

>have functional molars.

Dennis,

Thanks for sharing your experience with braces. I'm sure it's not as bad an

experience these days (20 years later!) as posted. FWIW, the

orthodontist I saw said that most commonly it's the bottom teeth that crowd

while the top remain straight. This is my situation too.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

>http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/6/pid/1141

----------------------------

January 30, 2006

>> > I've also developed receding gums on the bottom, and my teeth look

>> >more stained than they used to. Again, I suspect this could

>> have to do

>> >with food allergies, but am not sure.

>

>Gotta tell you that I'm addicted to my oral irrigator:

>

>

>This is the one that I use and they promote it as being special and magical

>and better than all of the rest. I don't know about that, but it does seem

>that mostly daily use for over a year has caused my gums to move back to

>their original margins. If I go too long without using it I start to get

>antsy.

Thanks Ron. Knowing Cogswell of Radiant Life fame, I'm sure it IS

special, magical and better than all the rest ;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

January 30, 2006

>> That's the $64,000 question! I'm concerned that if they keep

>moving forward,

>> meaning, leaning toward the front of my mouth, that they will start

>> overlapping each other. I already have one tooth overlapping another.

>

>My two bottom central incisors considerably overlap my bottom lateral

>incisors. They've always been like that. I wish they weren't, but I

>for damn sure wouldn't wear a retainer every day for the rest of my

>life to fix it.

If I was only worried about a little overlapping, I wouldn't be considering

orthodontics seriously. But I have two other worries:

1) One of my teeth recently had some bits break off when I was sucking on

some licorice root. This was very odd. The licorice root stuck to the back

of one of my bottom front teeth and bits of the tooth just broke off. My

dentist said my bite is a little off on one side of my mouth and that this

can cause the teeth to weaken over time and might've been the cause of my

broken tooth. Obviously, it's not good if that type of thing continues to

happen. I think the braces would fix the bite, but I need to check with the

orthodontist to confirm this. (I should've taken notes during my visit!)

2) What happens if the teeth don't *overlap*? If they just keep pushing into

each other? This is what is happening with my top two front teeth. I don't

know if this can cause a health problem or not, but it worries me. I did

have pain recently in my teeth and wonder if it could've been caused by the

crowding, by the teeth that are just pushing into each other and not

overlapping.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

----------------------------

February 1, 2006

I had those terrible railroad track braces, too, and the pain associated

with them I will never forget. It seems that I mark my life in epochs

of horrible dental pain.

The most recent epoch of terror started late last month when I went for

a regular exam with a new dentist. I went from no pain and nothing

wrong (at least, that I could feel or see) to needing, according to her,

3 fillings, 3 root canals, and 3 crowns, or $10,000 worth of work.

Immediately! I opted to have only the fillings done. The first filling

was a disaster. The tooth broke while she was drilling. She simply

said, " oh, I think this filling is going to be too big to stay in now

without a crown. " Impeccable " drillist " that she is, she also damaged

the tooth behind that molar, the wisdom tooth, so I had to have it

removed. I came out without much fuss, and with less pain than the

fillings (but I had no idea about the ligament and the oral surgeon

didn't mention it).

Fool, or glutton for punishment that I am, I went back to her for the

second and third fillings. One is imprecise, for lack of a better word,

meaning it doesn't fit with the tooth above it. And the other, yep, she

damaged it, too. She said she didn't notice the decay went through to

the root until she started. The tooth had another filling that she had

to remove and wasn't causing any problems at all.

Now my teeth are ultra sensitive to hot or cold, and two have throbbing

pain. And, oddly, since my last visit, I have started breaking out in

hives! Horrible itchy hives to endure along with coping with the pain.

I am waiting to get in with a good dentist here (there isn't an IAOMT

dentist anywhere close) but I am puzzled by the hives. Any ideas?

wrote:

> It appears that brace technology has moved light years from the time

> you had them in. ...still a huge pain in the butt (and mouth).

>

February 2, 2006

Suze-

>1) One of my teeth recently had some bits break off when I was sucking on

>some licorice root. This was very odd.

Not as odd as one of my upstairs neighbors breaking off just about an

entire tooth on a pork rind!

>2) What happens if the teeth don't *overlap*? If they just keep pushing into

>each other? This is what is happening with my top two front teeth. I don't

>know if this can cause a health problem or not, but it worries me. I did

>have pain recently in my teeth and wonder if it could've been caused by the

>crowding, by the teeth that are just pushing into each other and not

>overlapping.

Not sure, but I expect it's at least partly diet-dependent. Years

ago when my bottom wisdom teeth tried to come in, there was so little

room that they wound up breaking off a couple small pieces of either

themselves or their immediate neighbors before giving up and receding

again. Perhaps if I'd been eating right at the time my teeth

would've been better able to resist the stress. And quite a bit

longer before that, a flake of one of my upper front teeth just

popped right off from the crowding.

Nothing further has developed from either event, though.

-

February 2, 2006

-

>But the real issue for me, like you, is that stupid retainer. Ain't

>worth it in my opinion. Maybe for a couple of years but not for the

>rest of my life. If my teeth were impacting some aspect of my life,

>*maybe*, but otherwise for me it is just not worth dealing with. I

>could easily see myself doing what you did.

Seconded. I'm glad we never had money for braces when I was a kid,

because I would've gone through all that pain and then eventually

bagged on the stupid retainer anyway. Feh.

Of course, most of the other effects of having no money sucked

bigtime, but hey, win some lose some. <g>

-

February 3, 2006

,

> Of course, most of the other effects of having no money sucked

> bigtime, but hey, win some lose some. <g>

LOL! I kind of miss the burn holes in the linoleum and the cat spray

in the hallway. Not.

Chris

--

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February 3, 2006

>

>I had those terrible railroad track braces, too, and the pain associated

>with them I will never forget. It seems that I mark my life in epochs

>of horrible dental pain.

>

>The most recent epoch of terror started late last month when I went for

>a regular exam with a new dentist. I went from no pain and nothing

>wrong (at least, that I could feel or see) to needing, according to her,

>3 fillings, 3 root canals, and 3 crowns, or $10,000 worth of work.

Probably needs to fund her kid's college education. Have you seen the

tuition rates these days??

>Immediately! I opted to have only the fillings done. The first filling

>was a disaster. The tooth broke while she was drilling. She simply

>said, " oh, I think this filling is going to be too big to stay in now

>without a crown. " Impeccable " drillist " that she is, she also damaged

>the tooth behind that molar, the wisdom tooth, so I had to have it

>removed. I came out without much fuss, and with less pain than the

>fillings (but I had no idea about the ligament and the oral surgeon

>didn't mention it).

Jeez. She sounds like a disaster. I hope you're not thinking of going back

to her. And I sure hope she didn't use " silver " (mercury) fillings!

>

>Fool, or glutton for punishment that I am, I went back to her for the

>second and third fillings. One is imprecise, for lack of a better word,

>meaning it doesn't fit with the tooth above it. And the other, yep, she

>damaged it, too. She said she didn't notice the decay went through to

>the root until she started. The tooth had another filling that she had

>to remove and wasn't causing any problems at all.

>

>Now my teeth are ultra sensitive to hot or cold, and two have throbbing

>pain. And, oddly, since my last visit, I have started breaking out in

>hives! Horrible itchy hives to endure along with coping with the pain.

>I am waiting to get in with a good dentist here (there isn't an IAOMT

>dentist anywhere close) but I am puzzled by the hives. Any ideas?

>

Wow, , this just sounds like a nightmare! The hives could be due to an

allergic reaction to the materials she used in the fillings. That's why it's

important to get a biocompatibility test done before getting fillings to

determine which dental materials your body does not react to. Sorry this is

useless info now since you already have your new fillings, but hopefully

it'll be helpful for future reference. Do you still have hives now? If not,

then perhaps they were a reaction to the novacain?

Before doing any root canals be sure to read some of the info from Weston

Price, and Melvin Page (I think) about the dangers of root canals. I'm sure

someone on this list can provide links. I think Price wrote extensively

about them and sadly, his only son died as a result of a root canal that

Price performed on him.

Also for future reference, if you haven't already read about Weston Price's

work and his studies of healthy " primitive " groups (who had a distinct lack

of tooth decay), and if you are not familiar with the Weston A. Price

Foundation's literature (which I assume is the case since you are new to

this group?) then I can't recommend highly enough that you begin perusing

this information. I think you probably can reverse the trend toward decay

that you're experiencing if you change your diet to a more traditional one

as outlined by the WAPF. And remember that tooth decay is just one outward

manifestation of systemic physical degeneration. I haven't had a cavity

since I started incorporating the principles of WAP nutrition into my diet

and I assume that's typical of many people who change to WAP style

nutrition. But that's only one of the many positive health benefits of

returning to traditional foods.

Here are some articles I'd suggest starting with if you haven't already read

them:

Website Tour for new people: http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/index.html

Nasty, Brutish and Short?:

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/nasty_brutish_short.html

Characteristics of Traditional Diets .

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/characteristics.html

Dietary Guidelines

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/dietguidelines.html

What's Wrong with " Politically Correct " Nutrition?

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/pcnutrition.html

ABC's of Nutrition http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics