Re: Coconut oil, no gallbladder, blood thinners

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>

> So! I go look through onibasu and I see the recommendation to take

> enzymes. Here's the trouble: I'm on blood thinners (warfarin). I've

> been warned off papaya and its derivatives. help?

>

> Lynn S.

>

Houston makes a set of their enzymes that are free of the papaya based

enzymes. They'll send samples to new customers if you call and ask.

:-)

http://www.houstonni.com/

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On 9/7/06, Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

> So! I go look through onibasu and I see the recommendation to take

> enzymes. Here's the trouble: I'm on blood thinners (warfarin). I've

> been warned off papaya and its derivatives. help?

You must do everything in your power to cooperate with your doctor to

GET THE HELL OFF WARFARIN.

Warfarin will induce major arterial calcification within one to three years.

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> Houston makes a set of their enzymes that are free of the papaya based

> enzymes. They'll send samples to new customers if you call and ask.

thankee kindly!

Lynn S.

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> You must do everything in your power to cooperate with your doctor to

> GET THE HELL OFF WARFARIN.

>

> Warfarin will induce major arterial calcification within one to three

> years.

Backstory:

I got a pacemaker/internal defibrillator implant in May; in early June

a blood clot developed at the site where the leads go into my

sub-clavial vein into my heart. I spent 3 days in the ICU with a

catheter into the vein (you so do not want this to happen) putting

clot-buster onto the site and I'll be on warfarin for 3-6 months. My

left arm is compromised; the vein was naturally narrow and the leads

made it worse, and it'll take a bit for my other veins to pick up the

slack. Believe me, I don't want to be on it either.

Lynn S.

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On 9/7/06, Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

> I got a pacemaker/internal defibrillator implant in May; in early June

> a blood clot developed at the site where the leads go into my

> sub-clavial vein into my heart. I spent 3 days in the ICU with a

> catheter into the vein (you so do not want this to happen) putting

> clot-buster onto the site and I'll be on warfarin for 3-6 months. My

> left arm is compromised; the vein was naturally narrow and the leads

> made it worse, and it'll take a bit for my other veins to pick up the

> slack. Believe me, I don't want to be on it either.

Ok. An alternative to this therapy should be quickly developed so it

can be taken off the market. I understand the need for a blood

thinner under some circumstances, though, and I honestly don't know

what the alternatives are if there are any.

Chris

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>

> > I got a pacemaker/internal defibrillator implant in May; in

early June

> > a blood clot developed at the site where the leads go into my

> > sub-clavial vein into my heart. I spent 3 days in the ICU with a

> > catheter into the vein (you so do not want this to happen)

putting

> > clot-buster onto the site and I'll be on warfarin for 3-6

months. My

> > left arm is compromised; the vein was naturally narrow and the

leads

> > made it worse, and it'll take a bit for my other veins to pick

up the

> > slack. Believe me, I don't want to be on it either.

>

> Ok. An alternative to this therapy should be quickly developed so

it

> can be taken off the market. I understand the need for a blood

> thinner under some circumstances, though, and I honestly don't know

> what the alternatives are if there are any.

>

> Chris

>

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MD:-

" Because safer alternatives are available, the existence of serious

and life-threatening side effects of blood thinning medications and

the many interactions with other medications as well as with herbs,

vitamins and foods is one of the reasons why I rarely ever agree

with the use of prescription blood thinning medications. "

Some of the MANY alternatives

Reference:-

http://www.startthehealing.com/Q_and_A_current.html

Marie

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On 9/7/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> Heparin is an alternative, but it has to be given as shots. I also

> dosed myself up on a lot of vitamin E and cod liver oil, though

> there's a small chance of calcification with that too. If I got a DVT

> again, I'd request heparin shots. Wish I had better advice for you.

If you know of evidence that cod liver oil can cause calcification, I

would like to know of it. I am almost entirely certain that if you

take cod liver oil with a vitamin K2 supplement, preferably as MK-4,

so that the proportion of each vitamin over the requirement you are

taking is the same, there is about zero chance of calcification, or

rather, you will prevent calcification of soft tissues.

Chris

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On 9/8/06, Marie <marie_kuby@...> wrote:

> Reference:-

> http://www.startthehealing.com/Q_and_A_current.html

Great! Anyone who is on this stuff should work *with their doctor* to

use any available alternatives and if their doctor will not be on

board they need to get a new one immediately. Warfarin is poison.

Period. But getting off it without the knowledge of your physician is

also dangerous.

And in fact, it was originally introduced as a rat poison in 1948.

But that is besides the point. It takes only a short time using it at

normal physiological doses to cause massive harm to the soft tissues.

Deliberately inducing a massive vitamin K deficiency is an utterly

stupid thing to do unless there are NO alternatives.

Chris

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Let me also emphasize that one of the highest concentrations of

vitamin K in the entire body is in the BRAIN where it is responsible

for cooperating in the production of myelin and certain types of

chemicals that are important for preventing seizures. Animals given

warfarin become hypoactive and stop engaging in exploratory behavior.

We KNOW that people who take it for a relatively short period of time

have much, much more arterial calcification than people who do not.

What it is doing to their brains, we have no idea.

The other places where vitamin K is most found is in the salivary

glands and the pancreas. What is warfarin doing to digestion? We

have no idea.

Chris

On 9/8/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Great! Anyone who is on this stuff should work *with their doctor* to

> use any available alternatives and if their doctor will not be on

> board they need to get a new one immediately. Warfarin is poison.

> Period. But getting off it without the knowledge of your physician is

> also dangerous.

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On 9/8/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 9/8/06, Marie <marie_kuby@...> wrote:

>

> > Reference:-

> > http://www.startthehealing.com/Q_and_A_current.html

>

> Great!

Well, except that part about eating a vegan diet because it is

" similar " to Dean Ornish's " diet " that is shown to prevent heart

disease, as if that had anything at all to do with warfarin. Anything

at all.

Chris

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> Let me also emphasize that one of the highest concentrations of

> vitamin K in the entire body is in the BRAIN where it is responsible

> for cooperating in the production of myelin and certain types of

> chemicals that are important for preventing seizures. ...

I've been working with clinical pharmacists in my warfarin treatment.

They have told me over and over they don't want me to stop eating

vitamin k-rich foods, which is the response many folks on warfarin

have; they just stop eating vegetables, which isn't hard because so few

people eat vegetables to begin with. They've asked me to keep eating

the way I always have--just be consistent. If I'm going to eat salad,

eat salad--but eat it on a regular basis, don't go days without any and

then boom, big salad. Same with garlic, onion, all the items that

interact with warfarin. I need to be consistent about eating them,

that's all. And whatever that link was that said some people have

bleeding episodes by eating broccoli soup? baloney. Broccoli is high in

vitamin k and as such would make you more likely to clot, not bleed.

Vitamin k helps with clotting, that's the problem with it. Some things,

like papaya enzymes, they've asked me not to take because they're so

highly concentrated and because I would be taking them occasionally

(most likely) rather than regularly.

I'm not defending warfarin, even the pharmacists tell you it's rough

stuff. Initially after this episode, however, it's what I need to be

on. I'm hoping I can get off within the next couple of months.

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On 9/10/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> Perhaps I should have expanded that a bit more. There are several

> reasons that cod liver oil thins the blood, however *one* of the

> reasons that taking a combination of A, D & E work at *high doses* to

> thin blood is that they are antagonistic to vitamin K, which otherwise

> regulates blood clotting.

Can you provide any evidence of this? If that's true, then the

treatment is horribly irresponsible and incredibly unwise. I am

highly skeptical that it's true.

If you are inhibiting vitamin K enough to interfere with clotting,

then you are setting yourself up for a MASSIVE deficiency of vitamin K

with respect to the other functions of the vitamin, for which it is

required in MUCH higher amounts than clotting.

Chris

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