Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18177030-13762,00.html?123 " A sperm bank in eastern China is having trouble finding high-quality donors, with 86 per cent of contributions failing to pass muster. The Zhejiang Family Planning Science Institute, in Zhejiang province's Hangzhou city, has attracted more than 600 volunteers since opening a year ago, but less than 80 reached the required standard, the Beijing Morning Post said. Smoking, drinking and environmental degradation are among the main factors causing the sperm quality to fall to the current level, according to the paper. Scientific research shows that overall sperm density among Chinese males has dropped by about 40 per cent over the past half century, the paper said. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 OK, hate to beat the fluoride thing to death, but the Chinese do drink a lot of tea, which is very high in fluoride (it bioaccumulates it). One of the effects of fluoride is to decrease sperm density and motility. BTW, for those of you near Philly, Connett of Fluoride Action Network is coming to West Chester, PA on March 4 for a town meeting about the dangers of fluoride, and this Monday we're showing the film " The Fluoride Deception " based on Bryson's book of the same name. Email me if you're intersted in coming. - Renate Haeckler > > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18177030-13762,00.html?123 > > " A sperm bank in eastern China is having trouble finding high- quality > donors, with 86 per cent of contributions failing to pass muster. > The Zhejiang Family Planning Science Institute, in Zhejiang province's > Hangzhou city, has attracted more than 600 volunteers since opening a > year ago, but less than 80 reached the required standard, the Beijing > Morning Post said. Smoking, drinking and environmental degradation are > among the main factors causing the sperm quality to fall to the > current level, according to the paper. > > Scientific research shows that overall sperm density among Chinese > males has dropped by about 40 per cent over the past half century, the > paper said. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 On 2/18/06, downwardog7 wrote: > > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18177030-13762,00.html?123 > > " A sperm bank in eastern China is having trouble finding high-quality > donors, with 86 per cent of contributions failing to pass muster. > The Zhejiang Family Planning Science Institute, in Zhejiang province's > Hangzhou city, has attracted more than 600 volunteers since opening a > year ago, but less than 80 reached the required standard, the Beijing > Morning Post said. Smoking, drinking and environmental degradation are > among the main factors causing the sperm quality to fall to the > current level, according to the paper. > > Scientific research shows that overall sperm density among Chinese > males has dropped by about 40 per cent over the past half century, the > paper said. " > > Hmm, could it be the massive amounts of soy (including unfermented in soy milk) that the Chinese consume? Steph -- http://www.PraiseMoves.com The Christian Alternative to Yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 On 2/18/06, Steph <gasteph7@...> wrote: > Hmm, could it be the massive amounts of soy (including unfermented in soy > milk) that the Chinese consume? Well -- and this applies to the tea comment too -- the article said it was comparing China now to China 50 years ago, not China to other countries. So have the soy and the tea changed over the last 50 years? Is wheat an issue? Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 > Well -- and this applies to the tea comment too -- the article said it > was comparing China now to China 50 years ago, not China to other > countries. So have the soy and the tea changed over the last 50 > years? Is wheat an issue? from tfa: " ... Smoking, drinking and environmental degradation are among the main factors causing the sperm quality to fall to the current level, according to the paper. " Goodness knows they've been drinking and smoking for a lot longer than fifty years. Quick, somebody call T. Colin ! B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 On 2/18/06, downwardog7 wrote: > > > > > Well -- and this applies to the tea comment too -- the article said it > > was comparing China now to China 50 years ago, not China to other > > countries. So have the soy and the tea changed over the last 50 > > years? Is wheat an issue? > > > from tfa: > > " ... Smoking, drinking and environmental degradation are > among the main factors causing the sperm quality to fall to the > current level, according to the paper. " > > Goodness knows they've been drinking and smoking for a lot longer than > fifty years. > B. > > > > > > > Well, maybe they were smoking something like American Spirits before. ;-) Steph -- http://www.PraiseMoves.com The Christian Alternative to Yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 On 2/18/06, Steph <gasteph7@...> wrote: > Well, maybe they were smoking something like American Spirits before. > > ;-) The China Study found that home-made cigarettes were protective against cancer. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 On 2/18/06, Masterjohn wrote: > > On 2/18/06, Steph wrote: > > > Well, maybe they were smoking something like American Spirits before. > > > > ;-) > > The China Study found that home-made cigarettes were protective against > cancer. > > Chris > ROTFL!! Steph -- http://www.PraiseMoves.com The Christian Alternative to Yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Steph, > > The China Study found that home-made cigarettes were protective against > > cancer. > ROTFL!! Wait... do you think I'm joking? Some tobacco products had positive correlations with cancer, but home-rolled cigarettes were negatively associated with cancer. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 On 2/18/06, Masterjohn wrote: > > Steph, > > > > The China Study found that home-made cigarettes were protective > against > > > cancer. > > > ROTFL!! > > Wait... do you think I'm joking? Some tobacco products had positive > correlations with cancer, but home-rolled cigarettes were negatively > associated with cancer. > > Chris > Not laughing at the tobacco part. I thought you were joking about The China Study being the source of the info. Isn't that the book you reviewed negatively? Steph -- http://www.PraiseMoves.com The Christian Alternative to Yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I can believe that. Isn't this just another case of " processing " being the problem, rather than the original food / tobacco, or whatever? I understand that tobacco has sugar added to it to make it more addictive. (I don't know if this is still done, but I would guess yes.) The Seven Country study, long touted as the reason for reducing fat in our diet, actually only showed ONE correlation with food and heart trouble, AND THAT WAS CONSUMPTION OF SUGAR - not fat! Of course, that was never publicized. We must not forget the power of the sugar cartel. writes: Wait... do you think I'm joking? Some tobacco products had positive correlations with cancer, but home-rolled cigarettes were negatively associated with cancer. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Steph, > Not laughing at the tobacco part. I thought you were joking about The China > Study being the source of the info. Isn't that the book you reviewed > negatively? Well there is the study, and then there is the book. The latter was published decades after the former. The book is pretty bad, because it doesn't, in my opinion, honestly portray the results of the China Study, and it jumps to unnecessary conclusions. The study, like all studies, had some flaws, but there's no reason to dismiss the data. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Yeah, I read that the tea now has more fluoride in it than it used to. Industrial activities like refining phosphates, uranium, and metals release large amounts of fluoride in the air ( & water?). It contaminates the soil. Where tea is growing it gets taken up into the plants, increasing the fluoride content of the tea. Different plants bioaccumulate different minerals, tea seems to be the one that likes fluoride the most. Actually alot of plants grown where there is fluoride pollution have high levels of fluoride, enough to cause damage to livestock. Another thing to look at is the rate of thyroid problems in China - they are having significant problems with goiter, and any time a person's iodine intake is low, the thyroid takes in fluoride instead, which is damaging over time. > > > Hmm, could it be the massive amounts of soy (including unfermented in soy > > milk) that the Chinese consume? > > Well -- and this applies to the tea comment too -- the article said it > was comparing China now to China 50 years ago, not China to other > countries. So have the soy and the tea changed over the last 50 > years? Is wheat an issue? > > Chris > -- > Dioxins in Animal Foods: > A Case For Vegetarianism? > Find Out the Truth: > http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Chris- >So have the soy and the tea changed over the last 50 >years? I don't know about China specifically, but here at least the answer is 'yes'. Soy has been bred to produce more and more isoflavones, and tea doesn't *have* to have fluoride, the plant is just an effective concentrator, and we've released tons of fluoride into the environment in various forms and via various vectors, so it's reasonable to figure that fluoride levels in tea have risen, probably dramatically. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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