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In a message dated 1/21/02 5:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

soundzfun@... writes:

I have kind of fallen back into my same old bad routine, and I am trying to

get straightened out again. I

> have trouble between the breakfast and lunch period when my blood sugar

> drops. I get a real sinking feeling and very weak. Does anyone have any

> suggestions on a good snack. ...my panic attacks have gotten alot worse

> since my controll isnt as good as it was.

>

Can you give us some numbers to work with. What is your bg reading on rising

and when you are having these problems? A whole day's worth of numbers would

be better.

The most controlled way to correct for a " low " if that is what you have is

with glucose tablets. Each tablet will raise your bg about 20 points. That

way you can correct and not go too high.

First, you need to know what your bg's really are during these episodes.

Treating for a " low " , when you may not need to is a very iffy proposition.

, T2

Hillsboro, Oregon

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In a message dated 1/21/02 5:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

soundzfun@... writes:

I have kind of fallen back into my same old bad routine, and I am trying to

get straightened out again. I

> have trouble between the breakfast and lunch period when my blood sugar

> drops. I get a real sinking feeling and very weak. Does anyone have any

> suggestions on a good snack. ...my panic attacks have gotten alot worse

> since my controll isnt as good as it was.

>

Can you give us some numbers to work with. What is your bg reading on rising

and when you are having these problems? A whole day's worth of numbers would

be better.

The most controlled way to correct for a " low " if that is what you have is

with glucose tablets. Each tablet will raise your bg about 20 points. That

way you can correct and not go too high.

First, you need to know what your bg's really are during these episodes.

Treating for a " low " , when you may not need to is a very iffy proposition.

, T2

Hillsboro, Oregon

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Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with

the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in

diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they

taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or

raspberry.

Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work

very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the

time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where

they should be.

How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What

kind? Vicki

<< Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things

raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >>

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Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with

the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in

diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they

taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or

raspberry.

Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work

very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the

time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where

they should be.

How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What

kind? Vicki

<< Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things

raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >>

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Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with

the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in

diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they

taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or

raspberry.

Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work

very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the

time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where

they should be.

How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What

kind? Vicki

<< Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things

raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >>

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Hi, Beanie...yes, stress will absolutely raise your BGs. But you also have

it right -- bread is one of the absolutely worst things you can eat if you

want good BG control...along with potatos, rice, pasta, cereals, etc.

Although there are some breads that are lower carb, such as breads from the

Alvarado Street Bakery, that have only 12 gram per slice. But you still

can't pig out on it - one slice a day is all I allow myself.

You've already learned the consequences of eating things that make your BG

spike. We all fall off the wagon now and then...just pick yourself up and

start over. Also, did you know that eating carbs makes you crave more carbs?

From what I've read, if you can get past the first week, the cravings go

away. Now isn't that something to look forward to?? And you can keep

motivation by thinking about what'll happen if you don't get those BGs down.

You don't want to be blind, now, do you?

Keep on testing -- that'll give you good information and motivate you to cut

back...and good reading will also reward you for eating properly.

Take care and keep posting, we're here to support you. Even whining is okay!

Vicki

<<

I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up

above 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from

168 to 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet

change I have made. But , it is a biggie. >>

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You have already proven you can improve your bgs range. Now it's time to work

harder at getting it down to a healthy level. You know what is causing your

bgs readings to increase, too many carbs, stress, lack of exercise, so the

choice is either exercise more discipline or get sicker. The longer you go

with elevated bgs levels the more damage you are doing to your body.

Diabetes is very controllable but not very forgiving if you don't follow the

right meal plan or make the necessary lifestyle adjustments.

Good Luck. Let us know how you are doing.

Ed from CT

> " I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up above

> 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from 168 to

> 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet

> change I have made. But , it is a biggie. It is the absolute worse thing,

> and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the past

> month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to normal. I have

> beeen under a trememndous amount of stress and i wonder if it is possible

> for that to have an effect on my blood sugars. I test about 6 times a

> day...and seem to have my highest blood sugars around 4 or 5 pm. I am type

> 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( glyburide)and I think

> I am very insulin resistent. I havent exercised much and I notice that

> makes a different. I have lots of other health issues going on but the

> Diabetese is going to get me if I dont take cotroll over it again. I am

> peaking in the 250's the worst part of my day, so I may feel very hungry

> but I am afraid to raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the

> help to get me back on track. "

>

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You have already proven you can improve your bgs range. Now it's time to work

harder at getting it down to a healthy level. You know what is causing your

bgs readings to increase, too many carbs, stress, lack of exercise, so the

choice is either exercise more discipline or get sicker. The longer you go

with elevated bgs levels the more damage you are doing to your body.

Diabetes is very controllable but not very forgiving if you don't follow the

right meal plan or make the necessary lifestyle adjustments.

Good Luck. Let us know how you are doing.

Ed from CT

> " I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up above

> 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from 168 to

> 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet

> change I have made. But , it is a biggie. It is the absolute worse thing,

> and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the past

> month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to normal. I have

> beeen under a trememndous amount of stress and i wonder if it is possible

> for that to have an effect on my blood sugars. I test about 6 times a

> day...and seem to have my highest blood sugars around 4 or 5 pm. I am type

> 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( glyburide)and I think

> I am very insulin resistent. I havent exercised much and I notice that

> makes a different. I have lots of other health issues going on but the

> Diabetese is going to get me if I dont take cotroll over it again. I am

> peaking in the 250's the worst part of my day, so I may feel very hungry

> but I am afraid to raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the

> help to get me back on track. "

>

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Beanie writes:

> crept back up above 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They

> have ranged from any where from 168 to 219. I have started to

....

> type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent (

> glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent. I havent

In addition to all the other damage when blood sugars are high, insulin

resistance generally increases significantly when levels exceed about 180

(10). Even Type 1's find, for example, that more insulin is needed to get

the same blood sugar lowering effect at these levels. Just getting the

levels down to non-diabetic levels (which is achievable) and keeping them

there for a while will probably greatly decrease your insulin resistance.

As you acknowledge, bread definitely is a problem for most of us, along with

other high starch foods like potatoes and rice (often called " the whites " ).

Many of us find that keeping away from these helps a lot. I note you are

using insulin. I suggest you look into insulin dosing patterns that are

more effective. This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you

might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin

like H or R for meals. Others have found this effective.

I really do hope you are able to get a handle on your blood sugar levels.

BTW, have you read Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution? I found it very

helpful and informative.

Tom the Actuary

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>and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the

past month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to

normal.

I hope so Beanie, coz I've been there before, and as soon as my bg

back to normal i get my vision back.

The first thing that really help me to controlled my bg (fasting was

around 160-198 and in the afternoon reached 350-385) was kick out

carbs as much as I can. just eat lowcarbs veggies and protein.

if you're using insulin, read articles in Dr Berstein diabetes

solution (www.diabetes-normalsugars.com) about the law of insulin

doses. split the insulin dose can help control bg better, and it

works for me.

>raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the help to get

me back on track.

I hope you'll get back on track soon, Beanie. Don't worry :)

Judith

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I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of

meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and

insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are

glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know.

Phyllis

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I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of

meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and

insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are

glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know.

Phyllis

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I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of

meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and

insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are

glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know.

Phyllis

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Phyllis wrote:

> I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type

> of meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need

> this and insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin

> are glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the

> world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down.

> I am

> assuming you are type 2.

>

> If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know.

>

> Phyllis

Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the

pancreas kick out more insulin.

Rick

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Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many

insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but

nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you

speak up here please?)

The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake.

This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works,

I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by

K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not

good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they

won't do any good. Vicki

PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files.

<< You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

>>

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Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many

insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but

nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you

speak up here please?)

The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake.

This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works,

I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by

K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not

good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they

won't do any good. Vicki

PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files.

<< You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

>>

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Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many

insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but

nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you

speak up here please?)

The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake.

This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works,

I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by

K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not

good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they

won't do any good. Vicki

PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files.

<< You can take all the insulin in the world

but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am

assuming you are type 2.

>>

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Type 2 - Was on orals, but they stopped working. Now on orals (actos) and

insulin (lantus). Now making strong headway towards good bg's!

Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are

many

insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but

nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you

speak up here please?)

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Type 2 - Was on orals, but they stopped working. Now on orals (actos) and

insulin (lantus). Now making strong headway towards good bg's!

Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are

many

insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but

nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you

speak up here please?)

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> > type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent (

> > glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent.

>

>This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you

>might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin

>like H or R for meals.

Lispro (is insulin) = Humalog (H)

Glargine (also is insulin) = Lantus (is NOT " L " )

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> > type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent (

> > glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent.

>

>This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you

>might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin

>like H or R for meals.

Lispro (is insulin) = Humalog (H)

Glargine (also is insulin) = Lantus (is NOT " L " )

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Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance.

Sandy

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Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the

pancreas kick out more insulin.

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Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance.

Sandy

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Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the

pancreas kick out more insulin.

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Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance.

Sandy

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Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the

pancreas kick out more insulin.

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