Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 In a message dated 1/21/02 5:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, soundzfun@... writes: I have kind of fallen back into my same old bad routine, and I am trying to get straightened out again. I > have trouble between the breakfast and lunch period when my blood sugar > drops. I get a real sinking feeling and very weak. Does anyone have any > suggestions on a good snack. ...my panic attacks have gotten alot worse > since my controll isnt as good as it was. > Can you give us some numbers to work with. What is your bg reading on rising and when you are having these problems? A whole day's worth of numbers would be better. The most controlled way to correct for a " low " if that is what you have is with glucose tablets. Each tablet will raise your bg about 20 points. That way you can correct and not go too high. First, you need to know what your bg's really are during these episodes. Treating for a " low " , when you may not need to is a very iffy proposition. , T2 Hillsboro, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 In a message dated 1/21/02 5:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, soundzfun@... writes: I have kind of fallen back into my same old bad routine, and I am trying to get straightened out again. I > have trouble between the breakfast and lunch period when my blood sugar > drops. I get a real sinking feeling and very weak. Does anyone have any > suggestions on a good snack. ...my panic attacks have gotten alot worse > since my controll isnt as good as it was. > Can you give us some numbers to work with. What is your bg reading on rising and when you are having these problems? A whole day's worth of numbers would be better. The most controlled way to correct for a " low " if that is what you have is with glucose tablets. Each tablet will raise your bg about 20 points. That way you can correct and not go too high. First, you need to know what your bg's really are during these episodes. Treating for a " low " , when you may not need to is a very iffy proposition. , T2 Hillsboro, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or raspberry. Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where they should be. How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What kind? Vicki << Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or raspberry. Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where they should be. How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What kind? Vicki << Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Absolutely, Beanie...try the glucose tablets. They're in the drugstore with the diabetic supplies...the best kind IMHO are the disks, about an inch in diameter...they come in a tube (or a big bottle for the larger amount). they taste like candy...come in several different flavors but I like the orange or raspberry. Each one raises the BG about 20 points, although YMMV of course. They work very quickly since they don't have to be digested. They work 100% of the time. I find them absolutely the best way to raise your BGs exactly where they should be. How often do you test? Are you type 2? Diet controlled only? Or meds? What kind? Vicki << Does anyone have any suggestions on a good snack. The orange juice things raise my blood sugar to much, is there any thing that raises it slower. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 I would eat protein, like some nuts. It will keep the blood sugar from having highs and lows and sticks with you for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Hi, Beanie...yes, stress will absolutely raise your BGs. But you also have it right -- bread is one of the absolutely worst things you can eat if you want good BG control...along with potatos, rice, pasta, cereals, etc. Although there are some breads that are lower carb, such as breads from the Alvarado Street Bakery, that have only 12 gram per slice. But you still can't pig out on it - one slice a day is all I allow myself. You've already learned the consequences of eating things that make your BG spike. We all fall off the wagon now and then...just pick yourself up and start over. Also, did you know that eating carbs makes you crave more carbs? From what I've read, if you can get past the first week, the cravings go away. Now isn't that something to look forward to?? And you can keep motivation by thinking about what'll happen if you don't get those BGs down. You don't want to be blind, now, do you? Keep on testing -- that'll give you good information and motivate you to cut back...and good reading will also reward you for eating properly. Take care and keep posting, we're here to support you. Even whining is okay! Vicki << I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up above 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from 168 to 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet change I have made. But , it is a biggie. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 You have already proven you can improve your bgs range. Now it's time to work harder at getting it down to a healthy level. You know what is causing your bgs readings to increase, too many carbs, stress, lack of exercise, so the choice is either exercise more discipline or get sicker. The longer you go with elevated bgs levels the more damage you are doing to your body. Diabetes is very controllable but not very forgiving if you don't follow the right meal plan or make the necessary lifestyle adjustments. Good Luck. Let us know how you are doing. Ed from CT > " I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up above > 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from 168 to > 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet > change I have made. But , it is a biggie. It is the absolute worse thing, > and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the past > month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to normal. I have > beeen under a trememndous amount of stress and i wonder if it is possible > for that to have an effect on my blood sugars. I test about 6 times a > day...and seem to have my highest blood sugars around 4 or 5 pm. I am type > 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( glyburide)and I think > I am very insulin resistent. I havent exercised much and I notice that > makes a different. I have lots of other health issues going on but the > Diabetese is going to get me if I dont take cotroll over it again. I am > peaking in the 250's the worst part of my day, so I may feel very hungry > but I am afraid to raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the > help to get me back on track. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 You have already proven you can improve your bgs range. Now it's time to work harder at getting it down to a healthy level. You know what is causing your bgs readings to increase, too many carbs, stress, lack of exercise, so the choice is either exercise more discipline or get sicker. The longer you go with elevated bgs levels the more damage you are doing to your body. Diabetes is very controllable but not very forgiving if you don't follow the right meal plan or make the necessary lifestyle adjustments. Good Luck. Let us know how you are doing. Ed from CT > " I am ashamed to say that my fasting blood sugars have crept back up above > 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They have ranged from any where from 168 to > 219. I have started to eat bread again and that is about the only diet > change I have made. But , it is a biggie. It is the absolute worse thing, > and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the past > month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to normal. I have > beeen under a trememndous amount of stress and i wonder if it is possible > for that to have an effect on my blood sugars. I test about 6 times a > day...and seem to have my highest blood sugars around 4 or 5 pm. I am type > 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( glyburide)and I think > I am very insulin resistent. I havent exercised much and I notice that > makes a different. I have lots of other health issues going on but the > Diabetese is going to get me if I dont take cotroll over it again. I am > peaking in the 250's the worst part of my day, so I may feel very hungry > but I am afraid to raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the > help to get me back on track. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Beanie writes: > crept back up above 200..219 yesturday to be exact. They > have ranged from any where from 168 to 219. I have started to .... > type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( > glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent. I havent In addition to all the other damage when blood sugars are high, insulin resistance generally increases significantly when levels exceed about 180 (10). Even Type 1's find, for example, that more insulin is needed to get the same blood sugar lowering effect at these levels. Just getting the levels down to non-diabetic levels (which is achievable) and keeping them there for a while will probably greatly decrease your insulin resistance. As you acknowledge, bread definitely is a problem for most of us, along with other high starch foods like potatoes and rice (often called " the whites " ). Many of us find that keeping away from these helps a lot. I note you are using insulin. I suggest you look into insulin dosing patterns that are more effective. This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin like H or R for meals. Others have found this effective. I really do hope you are able to get a handle on your blood sugar levels. BTW, have you read Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution? I found it very helpful and informative. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 >and I am worried cause my vision has deteriated so much over the past month, I hope I get it back as the blood sugars get back to normal. I hope so Beanie, coz I've been there before, and as soon as my bg back to normal i get my vision back. The first thing that really help me to controlled my bg (fasting was around 160-198 and in the afternoon reached 350-385) was kick out carbs as much as I can. just eat lowcarbs veggies and protein. if you're using insulin, read articles in Dr Berstein diabetes solution (www.diabetes-normalsugars.com) about the law of insulin doses. split the insulin dose can help control bg better, and it works for me. >raise those blood sugars any higher... Thanks for the help to get me back on track. I hope you'll get back on track soon, Beanie. Don't worry Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type of meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need this and insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin are glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Phyllis wrote: > I don't see any meds for insulin resistance. Isn't glyburide the type > of meds that makes you body make insulin? If it is why do you need > this and insulin. The type of meds that make your body use the insulin > are glucophag, actos and avandia. You can take all the insulin in the > world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. > I am > assuming you are type 2. > > If I am wrong about the glyburide, then please someone let me know. > > Phyllis Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the pancreas kick out more insulin. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you speak up here please?) The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake. This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works, I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they won't do any good. Vicki PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files. << You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you speak up here please?) The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake. This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works, I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they won't do any good. Vicki PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files. << You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you speak up here please?) The first line of defense, IMHO, would be drastically lowering carb intake. This seems to work 100% of the time. For good information on how this works, I'd strongly suggest you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Then exercise..then meds...then if BGs are still not good, insulin. Of course, if you're a type 1, you can skip the meds, they won't do any good. Vicki PS...oh yes..you might wnat to read our success stories in shared files. << You can take all the insulin in the world but if your body doesn't recept it your sugars won't come down. I am assuming you are type 2. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Type 2 - Was on orals, but they stopped working. Now on orals (actos) and insulin (lantus). Now making strong headway towards good bg's! Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you speak up here please?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Type 2 - Was on orals, but they stopped working. Now on orals (actos) and insulin (lantus). Now making strong headway towards good bg's! Not to contradict, but I don't think this is right, Phyllis...There are many insulin-resistant type 2s who take insulin - large amounts, admittedly, but nonetheless, they do have success in lowering their BGs. (Will some of you speak up here please?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 > > type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( > > glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent. > >This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you >might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin >like H or R for meals. Lispro (is insulin) = Humalog (H) Glargine (also is insulin) = Lantus (is NOT " L " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 > > type 2, though I am on insulin ( Lispro)and a oral agent ( > > glyburide)and I think I am very insulin resistent. > >This is not first hand since I don't use meds, but you >might consider using a base of L or U, augmented by a fast acting insulin >like H or R for meals. Lispro (is insulin) = Humalog (H) Glargine (also is insulin) = Lantus (is NOT " L " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance. Sandy ============================ Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the pancreas kick out more insulin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance. Sandy ============================ Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the pancreas kick out more insulin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Glucophage, as I recall, is for insulin resistance. Sandy ============================ Phyllis, you are correct. Glyburide is a Sulfonylurea and makes the pancreas kick out more insulin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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