Food chemicals in Palm Oil?

[Guest guest]

Is palm oil allowed on the food chemical elimination diet? I assume

not, because it is loaded with all kinds of

what-should-be-but-isn't-for-some-people awesome stuff, but it isn't

listed pro or con on the site I was looking at.

By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

heck do you put on your " salad " ?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

> heck do you put on your " salad " ?

>

The list includes sunflower and safflower oils. Yick.

But perhaps you could make some sort of cream or yogurt-based dressing?

Or are you cf-in' it?

Oh, wait, there will be no dressing: no vinegar or citrus juice

allowed. Guess you're having lettuce-wraps.

B.

[Guest guest]

I make home made mayonnaise with olive oil and some coconut oil. I actually

like it with the coconut oil because when cold it makes it thicker. I don't

use it for salad dressing too often though but rather on sandwiches which I

don't eat too often either.

Allyn

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Emma Davies

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:40 AM

Subject: Re: Food chemicals in Palm Oil?

>

> Is palm oil allowed on the food chemical elimination diet?

I am not sure it has been analysed, but I think it's generally

regarded as something to avoid.

> By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

> heck do you put on your " salad " ?

Butter?

Personally I contend that salad is useless stuff and about as

satisfying as eating grass. Some people make homemade mayonnaise with

egg yolks and safflower/sunflower oil. My aversion to polyunsaturates

is too strong for that.

[Guest guest]

Emma-

>Personally I contend that salad is useless stuff and about as

>satisfying as eating grass.

Generally speaking, I agree completely, but spinach with bacon and

slices of hard-boiled egg is too delicious to really qualify as

" salad " , don't you think?

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[Guest guest]

Allyn-

>I make home made mayonnaise with olive oil and some coconut oil. I actually

>like it with the coconut oil because when cold it makes it thicker. I don't

>use it for salad dressing too often though but rather on sandwiches which I

>don't eat too often either.

When I occasionally get on a (breadless) ham sandwich kick, I make

may with palm oil and a little coconut oil. It works pretty well,

though it too gets quite stiff in the fridge - and some people find

the sight of bright-orange mayo disturbing. <g>

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[Guest guest]

Funny how our society is so conditioned to how things " look " !

Allyn

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:12 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Food chemicals in Palm Oil?

Allyn-

>I make home made mayonnaise with olive oil and some coconut oil. I actually

>like it with the coconut oil because when cold it makes it thicker. I don't

>use it for salad dressing too often though but rather on sandwiches which I

>don't eat too often either.

When I occasionally get on a (breadless) ham sandwich kick, I make

may with palm oil and a little coconut oil. It works pretty well,

though it too gets quite stiff in the fridge - and some people find

the sight of bright-orange mayo disturbing. <g>

-

[Guest guest]

On 9/19/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

>

> > By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

> > heck do you put on your " salad " ?

> Butter?

I was actually thinking of that -- melted ghee. I've done it with

coconut oil and palm oil in the past.

> Personally I contend that salad is useless stuff and about as

> satisfying as eating grass. Some people make homemade mayonnaise with

> egg yolks and safflower/sunflower oil. My aversion to polyunsaturates

> is too strong for that.

The purpose of the salad would be to serve as one of the few things I

could eat that is not one of the other few things.

On the palm oil, I'd like to know if it is high in food chemicals,

because it's took high in great stuff to give up if it's not, even

temporarily. The low-food chemical diet allows to much worthless crap

and disallows a lot of valuable foods.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

,

> The list includes sunflower and safflower oils. Yick.

The purpose of the list isn't to describe a healthy diet, but to

assemble low-chemical foods such that one could use it as a tool to

diagnose a problem processing specific food chemicals. I intend to

eat only those things on the list I like and consider healthy. That

leaves me with very little.

> But perhaps you could make some sort of cream or yogurt-based dressing?

> Or are you cf-in' it?

For the most part.

> Oh, wait, there will be no dressing: no vinegar or citrus juice

> allowed. Guess you're having lettuce-wraps.

I could wrap them in meat and butter.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

hi I'm new... my name is Tressa.... I like flax seed oil on my salads.

-- Re: Food chemicals in Palm Oil?

> By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

> heck do you put on your " salad " ?

>

The list includes sunflower and safflower oils. Yick.

But perhaps you could make some sort of cream or yogurt-based dressing?

Or are you cf-in' it?

Oh, wait, there will be no dressing: no vinegar or citrus juice

allowed. Guess you're having lettuce-wraps.

B.

[Guest guest]

> I could wrap them in meat and butter.

>

> Chris

Ya know, when we ate with Grandmaster Park at the Korean place,

they had red leaf lettuce ribs with which to wrap the barbequed ribs

and other goodies in. Being low carb, I ate up the chance. So if you

changed your mindset, you could concoct all sorts of lettuce wraps.

Who cares about dressing?

Actually, I do love a big salad. If you do want that, then perhaps

some avocado spiced up and blended would be good. And heck, who

doesn't love Hollandaise sauce? You can use sherry instead of lemon;

but if that is out, then go without that and enjoy just butter and egg

yolk dressing. Yum Yum.

Deanna,

who is busy gearing up for the TKD tourney

[Guest guest]

> The purpose of the list isn't to describe a healthy diet, but to

> assemble low-chemical foods such that one could use it as a tool to

> diagnose a problem processing specific food chemicals. I intend to

> eat only those things on the list I like and consider healthy. That

> leaves me with very little.

You talkin' to me? I well understand the purpose of the list.

Actually, I'm thinking of testing this diet myself, just to see what

happens, plus it's a two-week license to eat bread-n-candy and my bf

will love me for it.

> > Or are you cf-in' it?

>

> For the most part.

Just curious: Is it neccesary for you to do it casein-free? So why

" for the most part " ?

When are you starting the test diet?

More questions:

What about expeller-pressed rbd palm oil? Sashimi's okay? Any white

fish?

The meat I've been getting is frozen very hard but well-sealed. I buy

it frequently--not store it myself--but the ranchers only kill animals

every so often. Do I have to buy only " fresh " meat from WF--shipped

from New Zealand--to do this thing right? Or what?

Can cashews be soaked in brine and dehydrated at very low temp or no?

I mean, they're heated already--not raw--right?

What's the deal with the bread? Emma eats sourdough--so sourdough is

allowed? Whole grain or made with flour? Sprouted--no?

I'm used to more explicit parameters!

Several grains/cereals are listed but can they be pre-soaked before

cooking--if just in water? Whole grain or polished? Seven-grain type

cereals or just wheat, rice, and oats?

This diet-of-intolerance is virtually...intolerable. Two weeks

without clo? But I am so curious I think I can't resist--is that a

good enough reason to test?

B.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > By the way, if olive oil is out but iceberg lettuce is in, what the

> > heck do you put on your " salad " ?

> >

Why is olive oil out?

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Emma-

> >

> > >Personally I contend that salad is useless stuff and about as

> > >satisfying as eating grass.

> >

> > Generally speaking, I agree completely, but spinach with bacon and

> > slices of hard-boiled egg is too delicious to really qualify as

> > " salad " , don't you think?

> >

> > -

>

You know it is the e. coli that makes it taste the best

[Guest guest]

Are oils excluded because they are oils or because the foods that make them

are off limits?

Ground olives, Mashed sunflower seeds, Fresh grated coconut, etc. sound

really good to me.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Emma,

> > On the palm oil, I'd like to know if it is high in food chemicals,

> > because it's took high in great stuff to give up if it's not, even

> > temporarily.

> Is it the vitamin E you're worried about? Is wheat germ oil really so

> very bad (gluten? or polyunsaturates?)?

Yes, wheat germ oil is inferior to palm oil as a source of vitamin E,

both because the vitamin E-depleting polyunsatrates are vastly higher

and because the tocotrienols are either low or absent (can't remember

which).

> I'm a bit worried that you're so anxious to nourish yourself that

> you're going to cheat too much and wreak the trial. Don't worry too

> much about nutrition when you first start out, just worry about

> keeping it clean. Not getting your RDA in a few vitamins won't kill

> you for at least a month. By which time you'll have figured out

> whether you have a problem, or what you can substitute.

I would nevertheless like to know which chemicals, if any, palm oil is

high in. Even if I get rid of it for a few weeks, I'm going to want

to know for after the elimination diet phase is over.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 9/21/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> Sorry Chris. I've scoured the messageboard and all I know is that it's

> an unknown quantity:

Thanks Emma.

> - Someone says regular palm oil is derived from a particular palm that

> is low in salicylates and amines

That sounds promising.

> - Refined palm oil is " probably okay " based on the fact that people

> haven't complained about palm oil in crisps giving them problems.

Consuming refined palm oil pretty much defeats the purpose of

consuming palm oil.

> - I've had a reaction to crisps declaring only " potatoes, palm oil,

> salt " on the package - but this could be undeclared ingredients.

And who knows what *else* they fried in the same palm oil.

> The only answer is to do a single food trial of it after you have done

> the elimination diet and watch carefully for a build-up reaction.

Sounds like a plan. How long would it take for such a buildup

reaction to occur, you think? That is, after I've cleared whatever

food chemicals out of my body?

Chris

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