Re: Vitamin C in pregnancy / vaccines

[Guest guest]

How many people were in your class? The c-section rate is 26% and

climbing, and some hospitals are higher, so 2 out of 8 is average

and 2 in 12 would be better than average. The reality is that if

you're not giving birth in a hospital in which all staff are deeply

committed to a low section rate - and I don't know of one - your

chances of a section are unsettlingly high. And no hospital-

sponsored class is going to tell you what you need to know to have

the best chance of avoiding a section (two words: home birth).

NT may help, but it isn't going to solve this problem. The reality

is that your body can be working in a way that is completely healthy

and normal for you, and you may still run afoul of hospital

standards. In addition, even the healthiest mother can have

psychological dystocia/failure to progress. It is not normal to be

cared for by strangers in an unfamiliar place while going through

this intense animal process.

My labor stalled because the L & D staff knew I had planned a

homebirth and were extremely hostile. I would have been sectioned

if I had not signed out AMA, gone home, and returned in transition.

Ther system is nuts.

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

>

> Yeah, it's not fair, is it??? I think some people respond to bad

> eating by getting thinner while others go the other way.

>

> As for the blue ribbon baby thing, I went through Bradley Birth

> classes and the instructor was really into the blue ribbon baby

diet.

> Nobody in the class had natural, happy deliveries. In fact, two

of us

> wound up having very traumatic c-sections and the third had the

> ugliest little baby you ever saw. Almost all babies are cute, but

not

> this one.

>

> One thing I wish I'd known about was the problems with

vaccinations.

> Since my kids have been vaccinated I've found out all kinds of

things

> about how damaging they are. First is the F. Kennedy, Jr.

report

> on the thimerasol (mercury) in vaccines then the Megson

report on

> the damage the MMR vaccine does to the digestive system and other

> organs. I swear both my kids were damaged by their vaccines. My

son

> was half way to autism before I found out about cod liver oil and

my

> daughter had severe dairy intolerance and ADHD. To do over again,

I

> think I'd at least wait until they are older before vaccinating,

if

> not skip the vaccines entirely.

>

> I hear in NY now they can force parents to vaccinate their kids.

>

> - Renate

>

> > I've heard that a lot, too, but not sure I buy it. Water is

> > definitely stored in a toxic body, and sometimes people lose

weight

> > simply by drinking adequate water. But anecdotally, I have too

many

> > neighbors who subsist entirely on brightly colored sugar water

and

> > potato chips and are skinny as rails.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

2 out of 3 had c-sections. I think mine was definately partly

psychological - I went in because my water broke then got so

excited/nervous I think it stalled my labor. 36 hours later the OB

said the risk was too high to wait any more. They tried inducing

and all it did was give me a massive panic attack - no labor.

The other woman's baby's vitals were dipping - I think he had the

cord wrapped around his neck. He was born blue and they weren't

sure if he'd get brain damage for a while.

I think a birth center may have benefitted me, not sure about my

friend. My second had the cord wrapped around his neck as well.

First time around the staff was very hostile because I had a birth

plan and they didn't like me questioning their judgement - things

like no episiotomy. Not sure if birth plans really help or not -

the doctors definately were not okay with me wanting any say in the

process, might have been friendlier if I'd done what they expected

and just threw myself to their mercy.

As it was, they gave me an epidural for the c-section, which

didn't " take " and I wasn't numb but they didn't believe me.

Afterward they all avoided me. I don't know if it was shame or they

were afraid of a lawsuit, tho I found out afterward that doctors can

cause all the unnecessary pain they want and cannot be sued for it.

- Renate

> >

> > Yeah, it's not fair, is it??? I think some people respond to

bad

> > eating by getting thinner while others go the other way.

> >

> > As for the blue ribbon baby thing, I went through Bradley Birth

> > classes and the instructor was really into the blue ribbon baby

> diet.

> > Nobody in the class had natural, happy deliveries. In fact, two

> of us

> > wound up having very traumatic c-sections and the third had the

> > ugliest little baby you ever saw. Almost all babies are cute,

but

> not

> > this one.

> >

> > One thing I wish I'd known about was the problems with

> vaccinations.

> > Since my kids have been vaccinated I've found out all kinds of

> things

> > about how damaging they are. First is the F. Kennedy, Jr.

> report

> > on the thimerasol (mercury) in vaccines then the Megson

> report on

> > the damage the MMR vaccine does to the digestive system and

other

> > organs. I swear both my kids were damaged by their vaccines.

My

> son

> > was half way to autism before I found out about cod liver oil

and

> my

> > daughter had severe dairy intolerance and ADHD. To do over

again,

> I

> > think I'd at least wait until they are older before vaccinating,

> if

> > not skip the vaccines entirely.

> >

> > I hear in NY now they can force parents to vaccinate their kids.

> >

> > - Renate

> >

> > > I've heard that a lot, too, but not sure I buy it. Water is

> > > definitely stored in a toxic body, and sometimes people lose

> weight

> > > simply by drinking adequate water. But anecdotally, I have

too

> many

> > > neighbors who subsist entirely on brightly colored sugar water

> and

> > > potato chips and are skinny as rails.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 2/26/06, noelimama <senerchia@...> wrote:

> How many people were in your class? The c-section rate is 26% and

> climbing, and some hospitals are higher, so 2 out of 8 is average

> and 2 in 12 would be better than average.

I would think that a large part of this would be the prenatal, in

utero, and developmental nutrition of the mother and its effect on

width of the pelvic area and birth canal. Price found this to be

happening in his day with Americans, relative to the folks he studied

in _NAPD_.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> I would think that a large part of this would be the prenatal, in

> utero, and developmental nutrition of the mother and its effect on

> width of the pelvic area and birth canal. Price found this to be

> happening in his day with Americans, relative to the folks he studied

> in _NAPD_.

Nutrition has a part to do with it, but is most certainly not the end-all

and be-all of what occurs in labor due to the modern obstetrical practices

in the US. Nutrition tends to effect more length and ease of labor and

speed of healing afterwards. Many, many women who have C-sections for a

'too small pelvis' can safely and easily go on to have a vaginal birth with

a larger, sometimes 2 or 3 pound larger, baby if they give birth at home

with a midwife. I see it happen many times a year locally, and know this to

be so repeatedly with other homebirth midwives throughout the US. The

majority of C-sections are due to obstetrical intervention caused by a

number of factors, among them hospital policy, malpractice insurance

guidelines, and a lack of understanding of normal, physiological birth.

Other first world countries with diets just as poor as the SAD have

C-section rates less than 10%, and the majority of their births are done at

home with a midwife, and their maternal and infant mordibity and mortality

are much lower.

KerryAnn

owner, Native-Nursing, NTOAMC, NT-kids, and WAPHG

http://cookingnt.blogspot.com - updated 2/26

[Guest guest]

> The other woman's baby's vitals were dipping - I think he had the

> cord wrapped around his neck. He was born blue and they weren't

> sure if he'd get brain damage for a while.

The cord being aroud the neck isn't considered an emergency. My last baby

had his cord around his neck almost 4 times AND had his hand looped through

the cord and above his head and was delivered safely. He was born BLACK, no

joke. I have pictures of video of it, and it is truely scary to look at,

but he was just fine.

Something like 33% of all babies have at least one loop around their neck.

> First time around the staff was very hostile because I had a birth

> plan and they didn't like me questioning their judgement - things

> like no episiotomy. Not sure if birth plans really help or not -

> the doctors definately were not okay with me wanting any say in the

> process, might have been friendlier if I'd done what they expected

> and just threw myself to their mercy.

There's the problem with hospital birth. The more you know and resist, the

more they typically pressure you for a section. Most doctors have never

seen an intervention-free birth. There's a reason why most homebirth

midwives have a C-section rate of 5% or less, and most doctors average

25-40%

KerryAnn

owner, Native-Nursing, NTOAMC, NT-kids, and WAPHG

http://cookingnt.blogspot.com - updated 2/26

http://krankedyann.blogspot.com - updated 2/24

http://bellesays.blogspot.com - updated 2/25

[Guest guest]

haecklers wrote:

>As it was, they gave me an epidural for the c-section, which

>didn't " take " and I wasn't numb but they didn't believe me.

>Afterward they all avoided me. I don't know if it was shame or they

>were afraid of a lawsuit, tho I found out afterward that doctors can

>cause all the unnecessary pain they want and cannot be sued for it.

>

>- Renate

>

Renate! How awful!!! I can't even imagine going through something like

that. When I had an emergency C (second twin got stuck!) I was in

surgery so long that the epi started wearing off, and boy did I ever

feel it. Fortunately, they did something about it very fast.

Do you know about the ICAN list? (International Caesarean Awareness

Network) There are women on there who have gone through what you

describe. It has been a very good place for me to process all the

baggage I was carrying from my C-sec. Here's the link in case you're

interested:

http://www.ican-online.org/about/subscribe.htm

Take care,

[Guest guest]

Renate, I am so sorry that happened to you. It's very normal to have

labor arrest under stress, especially when something prompts you to

go in early. And no, they don't want to be questioned! They were

going to cut me for a 5lb. 4oz. babe perfectly positioned and one

nurse got snippy when I pointed out that this was really not

necessary - you know, " better to cut than to tear. " I just felt,

geez, a midwife would be embarrassed if a client tore with a teeny

one.

ICAN is good for anyone who's had a traumatic birth, with or without

section, or wants the best chance at preventing a section.

>

> >As it was, they gave me an epidural for the c-section, which

> >didn't " take " and I wasn't numb but they didn't believe me.

> >Afterward they all avoided me. I don't know if it was shame or

they

> >were afraid of a lawsuit, tho I found out afterward that doctors

can

> >cause all the unnecessary pain they want and cannot be sued for

it.

> >

> >- Renate

> >

> Renate! How awful!!! I can't even imagine going through something

like

> that. When I had an emergency C (second twin got stuck!) I was in

> surgery so long that the epi started wearing off, and boy did I

ever

> feel it. Fortunately, they did something about it very fast.

>

> Do you know about the ICAN list? (International Caesarean

Awareness

> Network) There are women on there who have gone through what you

> describe. It has been a very good place for me to process all the

> baggage I was carrying from my C-sec. Here's the link in case

you're

> interested:

>

> http://www.ican-online.org/about/subscribe.htm

>

> Take care,

>

>