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They should be the same because you aren't heating it. I think there are

more benefits to kefir made with raw milk than raw milk alone. You are

drinking a fermented product that now has up to 30 different strains of

probiotic. Of course, this is assuming you are making your own kefir from

raw milk and no buying it in the stores.

Allyn

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Does anyone know if CLA is stronger in raw milk or kefir? Is anything

at all lost by drinking strickly Kefir? I only drink that and worry

that I may be missing something.

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Thanks. I'm buying Organic Pastures raw milk.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 3:28 AM, ALLYN FERRIS wrote:

> They should be the same because you aren't heating it. I think there

> are

> more benefits to kefir made with raw milk than raw milk alone. You are

> drinking a fermented product that now has up to 30 different strains of

> probiotic. Of course, this is assuming you are making your own kefir

> from

> raw milk and no buying it in the stores.

>

> Allyn

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> Parashis

> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:15 PM

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> Subject: Milk vs Kefir

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> Does anyone know if CLA is stronger in raw milk or kefir? Is anything

> at all lost by drinking strickly Kefir? I only drink that and worry

> that I may be missing something.

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Theirs is one of the best. McAffee has been to Florida a couple times to

speak and has also helped one of our farmers here that I buy most of my milk

from when the state started harassing him last year.

Allyn

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Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:28 AM

Subject: Re: Milk vs Kefir

Thanks. I'm buying Organic Pastures raw milk.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 3:28 AM, ALLYN FERRIS wrote:

> They should be the same because you aren't heating it. I think there

> are

> more benefits to kefir made with raw milk than raw milk alone. You are

> drinking a fermented product that now has up to 30 different strains of

> probiotic. Of course, this is assuming you are making your own kefir

> from

> raw milk and no buying it in the stores.

>

> Allyn

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

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> [mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

] On Behalf Of

> Parashis

> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:15 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Milk vs Kefir

>

>

>

> Does anyone know if CLA is stronger in raw milk or kefir? Is anything

> at all lost by drinking strickly Kefir? I only drink that and worry

> that I may be missing something.

>

>

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We are VERY lucky to have Mr. McAffee here in CA. He is a hero for sure!

Question: Does drinking kefir (made, of course, with Organic Pastures raw

milk), have the same probiotic value as, say, Primal Defense or any of the

other leading probiotics? And, how much does one need to drink to get the

value?

Love,

Pamela

ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

Theirs is one of the best. McAffee has been to Florida a couple times to

speak and has also helped one of our farmers here that I buy most of my milk

from when the state started harassing him last year.

Allyn

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Parashis

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:28 AM

Subject: Re: Milk vs Kefir

Thanks. I'm buying Organic Pastures raw milk.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 3:28 AM, ALLYN FERRIS wrote:

> They should be the same because you aren't heating it. I think there

> are

> more benefits to kefir made with raw milk than raw milk alone. You are

> drinking a fermented product that now has up to 30 different strains of

> probiotic. Of course, this is assuming you are making your own kefir

> from

> raw milk and no buying it in the stores.

>

> Allyn

>

>

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Allyn,

> They should be the same because you aren't heating it.

Heating milkfat actually creates CLA. I was surprised to learn this

recently when I was doing some conference paperwork stuff for WAPF

that required my reading of some of the literature published by the

speakers. There is a CLA expert speaking who had authored a

comprehensive review that cited several studies showing that heating

linoleic acid in butter causes CLA to form.

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Well, it's hard to say about the pro-biotics issue and kefir mainly because

each strain is different. I personally do not take other pro-biotics

anymore. Kefir is one of the few things that you can take to rebuild your

colonies in the gut. If I had Candida or other issues I might consider

taking other pro-biotics but for the past couple years it has only been

kefir for me. Last year I was around a lot of people that were sick and did

not get sick. But I did get sick while on vacation but I allowed myself to

get run down and was not getting the sleep I need. I am working on my poor

stressed adrenals so I really have to get my rest (guess I was having too

much fun). Anyhow, I caught an upper respiratory from the lady who cut my

hair. She had had hers for over a month and was unable to kick it. I did get

through mine in a little over a week. I will also mention that my weakest

point is my lungs as I have had pneumonia and ever since that is were my

weakness is. A couple years ago I would have gotten bronchitis and would

have been very sick. So, I feel my system has definitely gotten healthier

looking at the whole picture. I also did not take drugs to get over the

illness but rather took Echinacea and a few other things. I am not trying

to tell you my sick story but rather that my consumption of kefir I feel has

most definitely improved my immune system.

Whew, got through that. Hope this helps.

Allyn

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Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:59 PM

Subject: RE: Milk vs Kefir

We are VERY lucky to have Mr. McAffee here in CA. He is a hero for sure!

Question: Does drinking kefir (made, of course, with Organic Pastures raw

milk), have the same probiotic value as, say, Primal Defense or any of the

other leading probiotics? And, how much does one need to drink to get the

value?

Love,

Pamela

ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net> verizon.net>

wrote: Theirs is one of the best. McAffee has been to Florida a couple times

to

speak and has also helped one of our farmers here that I buy most of my milk

from when the state started harassing him last year.

Allyn

_____

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[mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

] On Behalf Of Parashis

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:28 AM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Milk vs Kefir

Thanks. I'm buying Organic Pastures raw milk.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 3:28 AM, ALLYN FERRIS wrote:

> They should be the same because you aren't heating it. I think there

> are

> more benefits to kefir made with raw milk than raw milk alone. You are

> drinking a fermented product that now has up to 30 different strains of

> probiotic. Of course, this is assuming you are making your own kefir

> from

> raw milk and no buying it in the stores.

>

> Allyn

>

>

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Do you know how high the temp should be? Are you talking melting it

minimally over, say cooked veggies?

On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Masterjohn wrote:

> Allyn,

>

>> They should be the same because you aren't heating it.

>

> Heating milkfat actually creates CLA. I was surprised to learn this

> recently when I was doing some conference paperwork stuff for WAPF

> that required my reading of some of the literature published by the

> speakers. There is a CLA expert speaking who had authored a

> comprehensive review that cited several studies showing that heating

> linoleic acid in butter causes CLA to form.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

>

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On 9/24/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Do you know how high the temp should be? Are you talking melting it

> minimally over, say cooked veggies?

I have no idea because I did not read the primary research and the

scope of the review was very broad. I would not heat milk, but it may

indicate that cooked butter like ghee has some advantages over raw

butter, although raw butter might have different advantages over ghee.

Also, it isn't clear how important CLA is in relation to other

nutrients. Most research on it is preliminary and ambiguous.

Chris

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