Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Hi Helen, What a great friend you are! You are 100% right in your concern about your friend taking Zoloft. Have your friend read " Clear Body, Clear Mind " by L. Ron Hubbard. He must wean himself very slowly from Zoloft to avoid a rebound reaction. The book explains what nutrients, along with exercise and sauna, are needed to help detoxify Zoloft from the body. You're on the right track as far as CLO. But, the body requires much more in order to safely detox. Love, Pamela helenpoplin <helenlampinen@...> wrote: My friend is taking zoloft for depression and some other pill for anxiety. I tried giving him Garden of Life CLO, but I think he'll only take it in a pill form. Does anyone have a recomendation for a superb CLO in pill form? Also, does anyone have any ideas of how to get him off these drugs? Any advice on what other supplements can help him. He says that when he lowers the dosage of the zoloft, he starts feeling stressed out and goes right back to taking the higher dosage. Also, his doctor says he will only " need " to take them for 6 months and that his " chemical imbalance " will be corrected by the zoloft and then he wont need it after 6 months. This sounds like bunk to me. I don't know how he's supposed to stop taking the zoloft even after 6 months if he starts feeling bad when he just cuts the dosage in half. Will he feel bad if the doctor takes him off after 6 months? can the doctor prescribe this pill for longer than 6 months? helen __._, --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 > Have your friend read " Clear Body, Clear Mind " by L. Ron Hubbard. .... .... .... me being speechless .... .... Lynn S. ------ Mama, homeschooler, writer, activist, spinner & knitter http://www.siprelle.com NOTICE: The National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I was just wondering about depression also. My husband has been on Welbutrin for about 1 1/2-2 yrs and I would really like to get him off of it. Suggestions would be awesome. He is slowly coming around to NT, but still very far away. > > My friend is taking zoloft for depression and some other pill for > anxiety. I tried giving him Garden of Life CLO, but I think he'll > only take it in a pill form. Does anyone have a recomendation for a > superb CLO in pill form? Also, does anyone have any ideas of how to > get him off these drugs? Any advice on what other supplements can > help him. He says that when he lowers the dosage of the zoloft, he > starts feeling stressed out and goes right back to taking the higher > dosage. Also, his doctor says he will only " need " to take them for 6 > months and that his " chemical imbalance " will be corrected by the > zoloft and then he wont need it after 6 months. This sounds like bunk > to me. I don't know how he's supposed to stop taking the zoloft even > after 6 months if he starts feeling bad when he just cuts the dosage > in half. Will he feel bad if the doctor takes him off after 6 > months? can the doctor prescribe this pill for longer than 6 months? > > helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Wow, that's a long time. You mean they can prescribe these things for longer than 6 months?? My friends doctor told him he would only " need " to be on Zoloft for 6 months. That he had a chemical imbalance and it would be corrected by Zoloft. Of course this is BS. What is supposed to be different after 6 months? I'm not going to accept the idea that someone would " need " to be on this crap forever. Helen --- In , " tnjmcgill " <tnjmcgill@...> wrote: > > I was just wondering about depression also. My husband has been on > Welbutrin for about 1 1/2-2 yrs and I would really like to get him > off of it. Suggestions would be awesome. He is slowly coming around > to NT, but still very far away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 From what I've seen with my dad, the reality is that many drugs just stop working for many people after 6 months or so, and they have to move onto a new drug instead (and of course adjust to the new side-effects and so on). ly, if he can handle being on Zoloft for longer, he's probably lucky just because he won't have to deal with changing drugs. None of these drugs cures depression. To cure depression, you'd have to know what causes it and then correct that, but since modern medicine really has no idea what causes depression, they have no way of curing it either. People who do get better on SSRI's are probably just as lucky as people who are " cured " by other drugs. Basically the drugs just dull the symptoms long enough for your body to heal itself. If whatever is causing the problem is still present, then you don't heal, and you stay on the drugs. Kinda depressing, eh? -Colin > > Wow, that's a long time. You mean they can prescribe these things for > longer than 6 months?? My friends doctor told him he would > only " need " to be on Zoloft for 6 months. That he had a chemical > imbalance and it would be corrected by Zoloft. Of course this is BS. > What is supposed to be different after 6 months? I'm not going to > accept the idea that someone would " need " to be on this crap forever. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 What is your thought as to the causes and cures for depression? Thanks. On 10/8/06, williamcolinwood <cwood@...> wrote: > > From what I've seen with my dad, the reality is that many drugs just > stop working for many people after 6 months or so, and they have to > move onto a new drug instead (and of course adjust to the new > side-effects and so on). ly, if he can handle being on Zoloft > for longer, he's probably lucky just because he won't have to deal > with changing drugs. > > None of these drugs cures depression. To cure depression, you'd have > to know what causes it and then correct that, but since modern > medicine really has no idea what causes depression, they have no way > of curing it either. People who do get better on SSRI's are probably > just as lucky as people who are " cured " by other drugs. Basically the > drugs just dull the symptoms long enough for your body to heal itself. > If whatever is causing the problem is still present, then you don't > heal, and you stay on the drugs. Kinda depressing, eh? > > -Colin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Speaking from the experience of seeing my mom in the mental health system for 20 some years, I can say that I've come to agree with Darman that depression and other mental illnesses may be organic in nature - either some part of the body not working properly (GI, immune) or deficiencies or parasites/bacteria giving off neurotoxins. I worried for a while as I got mental health symptoms - depression, hostility, withdrawal from social life, etc. that it was hereditary, but since cleaning up my diet and treating my dysbiosis and lyme, I've felt a huge resurgance of mental health to the point where I'm calm, content, energetic (mentally and emotionally) and much more able to get along with even difficult people, most of the time! > > > > Wow, that's a long time. You mean they can prescribe these things for > > longer than 6 months?? My friends doctor told him he would > > only " need " to be on Zoloft for 6 months. That he had a chemical > > imbalance and it would be corrected by Zoloft. Of course this is BS. > > What is supposed to be different after 6 months? I'm not going to > > accept the idea that someone would " need " to be on this crap forever. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 On 10/8/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > Speaking from the experience of seeing my mom in the mental health > system for 20 some years, I can say that I've come to agree with > Darman that depression and other mental illnesses may be > organic in nature - either some part of the body not working > properly (GI, immune) or deficiencies or parasites/bacteria giving > off neurotoxins. I worried for a while as I got mental health > symptoms - depression, hostility, withdrawal from social life, etc. > that it was hereditary, but since cleaning up my diet and treating > my dysbiosis and lyme, I've felt a huge resurgance of mental health > to the point where I'm calm, content, energetic (mentally and > emotionally) and much more able to get along with even difficult > people, most of the time! You're hinting at an important point, though not stating it explicitly: things can be both hereditary and fixable. Inheritance is not the deterministic irreversible phenomenon it is often made out to be, at least in the lion's share of cases. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 There's a great section in DesMaisons' " Potatoes not Prozac " for a lay explanation of why SSRIs stop working. Basically they don't cure a low serotonin state, they mask it by " inhibiting reuptake " of serotonin. It's just recycling the low serotonin you already have - SSRIs don't make any new, or correct the situation where you are using serotonin faster than you can make it. (it's a consumable after all). After a while our adaptable brains adjust the receptors to the presence of the SSRI and when that happens it's time to change the prescription if you still want to just manage symptoms. I was depressed the low-serotonin way and fixed it with the PnP style of eating. Plus omega3 supplements for the low state of that too. It's not that hard to fix if that's the kind of depression you have, or it wasn't for me. I did have to do the work to eat right and sleep etc. There are at least 4 kinds of serotonin and the SSRIs work on different combinations. Oh and I have every genetic marker there can be and I don't have to be depressed any more if I choose to do the things that keep me cheerful. Connie > > > > Wow, that's a long time. You mean they can prescribe these things for > > longer than 6 months?? My friends doctor told him he would > > only " need " to be on Zoloft for 6 months. That he had a chemical > > imbalance and it would be corrected by Zoloft. Of course this is BS. > > What is supposed to be different after 6 months? I'm not going to > > accept the idea that someone would " need " to be on this crap forever. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I find omega-3's are very helpful at lifting depression, especailly when combined with CoQ 10. That was how I coped before I found WAP. > > > > > > Wow, that's a long time. You mean they can prescribe these > things for > > > longer than 6 months?? My friends doctor told him he would > > > only " need " to be on Zoloft for 6 months. That he had a chemical > > > imbalance and it would be corrected by Zoloft. Of course this is > BS. > > > What is supposed to be different after 6 months? I'm not going > to > > > accept the idea that someone would " need " to be on this crap > forever. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Helen, There is a chat site, Withdrawal_and_Recovery, where your friend can find great information and support to get off the drug. I joined to find out how to get my elderly mother safely off of Zyprexa. I have since learned a great deal about these drugs and about the " feelings " people have when they do try to withdraw. It's not easy, but it can be done safely. They give very specific advice on that site, because they have experience with what works. In general, cut the carbs and all refined sugar. Strictly lots of meat and veg, CLO and magnesium supps. The main thing is absolutely no more than a 10% decrease (from original dose) every 3 weeks...that is the list's maximum. This should be adjusted accordingly so the person feels " stable " , supporting the body nutritionally. If not feeling stable, lengthen the time period between reductions and reduce to 5%. Liquid titration can be done to make accurate reductions possible, even with minute pills. Your friend was instinctively doing the right thing by returning to the original dose...if people go too fast and ignore the withdrawal symptoms, apparently the damage done to the body is greater than that of remaining on the drug. The list's suggested reading includes Breggin's " Your Drug May Be Your Problem " . I highly recommend your friend joining this list, for the information in the files, the record of success in those who have followed this schedule and the support of the group. FYI, the list owner does not tolerate people who aren't completely serious about withdrawing, as she is trying to help so many. HTH and best wishes, Randi > > My friend is taking zoloft for depression and some other pill for > anxiety. I tried giving him Garden of Life CLO, but I think he'll > only take it in a pill form. Does anyone have a recomendation for a > superb CLO in pill form? Also, does anyone have any ideas of how to > get him off these drugs? Any advice on what other supplements can > help him. He says that when he lowers the dosage of the zoloft, he > starts feeling stressed out and goes right back to taking the higher > dosage. Also, his doctor says he will only " need " to take them for 6 > months and that his " chemical imbalance " will be corrected by the > zoloft and then he wont need it after 6 months. This sounds like bunk > to me. I don't know how he's supposed to stop taking the zoloft even > after 6 months if he starts feeling bad when he just cuts the dosage > in half. Will he feel bad if the doctor takes him off after 6 > months? can the doctor prescribe this pill for longer than 6 months? > > helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I recently read a very interesting article which talks about this: The Reinvention of the Self <http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/02/the_reinvention_of_the_self.ph\ p> The article discusses the research of Gould (the Princeton researcher who forced the world to realize that mammalian brains do generate neurons throughout life. According to the article: The structure of our brain, from the details of our dendrites to the density of our hippocampus, is incredibly influenced by our surroundings. Put a primate under stressful conditions, and its brain begins to starve. It stops creating new cells. The cells it already has retreat inwards. The mind is disfigured. So, it basically sounds like stress is the fundamental factor in causing depression. I'm sure that diet and genetics also play a significant role as they will help determine how much stress you can handle before things start falling apart. I'm also sure that physical and environment stresses play as important a role as mental stress. As for curing it, I'm sure there is no single cure that will take care of depression for everyone, but a useful approach to get started is Walt Stoll's " 3-legged stool " consisting of a whole foods diet, exercise, and perhaps most important, skilled relaxation. See his website for more info: Ask Dr. Stoll Website <http://askwaltstollmd.com/> There is a wealth of information available on the site. Feel free to peruse and see what you find. -Colin P.S. If some people can't read HTML-formatted text, please let me know, and I'll stop using it :-) > > What is your thought as to the causes and cures for depression? Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 A great book on depression is called, Depression-Free Naturally by Joan Mathews Larson, PhD. It provides a wealth of vital, reader-friendly information. Larson explains how to screen for various emotional and behavioral symptoms, how food affects body chemistry, and how biochemical imbalances can manifest in mental and physical symptoms. She then points the way to successful healing through nutritional methods by identifying a corrective diet and proper nutrients, suggesting essential lab work and how to interpret it, and providing invaluable information about conjunctive natural hormone therapy. A dynamic and life-changing program for health-care practitioners and their patients. Larson is a best-selling author and founder and executive director of the highly esteemed Health Recovery Center in Minneapolis. You can purchase it from the non-profit Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation at www.ppnf.org <http://www.ppnf.org/> .. Also, a must read is Pottenger's Cats. Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., MD made significant contributions to the understanding of the role of nutrition in maintaining good physical and emotional health. In his classical experiments in cat feeding, more than 900 cats were studied over 10 years. Dr. Pottenger found only diets containing raw milk and raw meat produced optimal health: good bone structure and density, wide palates with plenty of space for teeth, shiny fur, no parasites, or disease, reproductive ease and gentleness. Cooking the meat or substituting heat processed milk for raw resulted in heterogeneous reproduction and physical degeneration, increasing with each generation. Vermin and parasites abounded. Skin diseases and allergies increased from 5% to over 90%. Bones became soft and pliable. Cats suffered from adverse personality changes, hypothyroidism and most of the degenerative diseases encountered in human medicine. The third generation did not live long enough to reproduce. The changes Dr. Pottenger observed in cats on deficient diets paralleled the human degeneration that Dr. Price found in tribes that had abandoned traditional foods. www.ppnf.org Joan Grinzi, RN, Executive Director Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation Visit our bookstore at <http://www.ppnf.org> www.ppnf.org 619-462-7600 or 800-366-3748 <mailto:Joan@...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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