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Christie and others,

Sorry about the delayed reply. Thanks for the info. I think I will try

intevals and see if more fat comes off my stomach that way. But I also have the

problem of loose skin that doesn't seem to be tightening up with the exercise

that I do and have done for years - although I am not good about doing crunches.

It's not really noticed until I suck my stomach in, then the excess skin is very

apparent. Matt Furey in his abodominal workout info does say you can spot

reduce the fat from your abdominal area and has many a success written about it

- but who knows if they are made up or not.

My last pregnancy was 9 yrs ago, so it's been awhile. I'm 52yrs.

The fat is one thing, but what about the loose aging skin? Tricep area also.

And this is with doing weights about 3 times per week. Hard to say what I'd

look like if I haven't been doing weights and some jogging! Guess it could be

worse than it is!!

jafa

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Remember, though, that there is no such thing as " spot reducing " ... you

can't burn fat in the belly by building up your abdominal muscles. Fat tends

to leave our bodies in the order it went on, which is controlled not by what

exercises you do but by genetics and, IMO, hormones.

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Christie:

I have been lifting weights for yrs. and some jogging. I sleep in absolute

darkness and get enough sleep. If I don't, I try to take a nap if I can. I do

have fatigue issues, even with all that. - Not a lot of stress in my life, but

sometimes.

At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass more than what I

have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as I've read to give your

body a day off between workouts.

jafa

Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

>> ! <<

It's hormones. You may well find that increasing your muscle mass will make

a HUGE difference here. Also, increasing the hours you sleep, and sleeping

in total darkness.

So I would, in fact, lift weights. But don't feel you have to exercise your

abs to trim your waist... it's not that simple. Muscle ANYWHERE will do it.

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>> At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass more than

what I have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as I've read to

give your body a day off between workouts. <<

The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier weights, not lift more

often.

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I'll try. But, I'm pretty heavy as it is now. I will be looking into some of

the sites others have suggested for additional ways of exercising.

jafa

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>> At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass more than

what I have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as I've read to

give your body a day off between workouts. <<

The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier weights, not lift more

often.

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Hi Jafa,

I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going to the gym 4 to 6 times a week.

I did aroebics and weight training and never lost a pound. I tried all

different kinds of programs, even spinning, and I could spin longer than

most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52) and I also did mountain

biking with my daughter. I am getting ready to start back on my treadmill

and I have a weider platinum machine much like a bow flex. I am trying to

stay positive but I feel I need the exercise but I am not expecting to lose

any weight. I trained with a guy who has been weight training all his life

and he was in his late 40's (this was about 3 years ago now) and he used to

say I was the healthiest fat personal he knew and could not figure out why I

did not lose. I was primarily on Atkins back than and watched my carbs. I

did not know about WAP so I was not eating what we now know as good fat but

I never lost weight. The only way I lost weight was on Fermans 6 week body

makeover and I lost 30 lbs on that in about a month but it is not healthy.

I added up the calories I ate on that and it was about 800-900 calories a

day and just about no fat at all. So, I don't think that helped my body

either. Also, with the weight lifting, I could bench press with my legs 400

lbs. and I used 30 to 40 lbs when I worked my triceps (just to give an idea

of the weights I used), so I was doing some serious weights for my age. I

did feel better so that is why I want to start again and if I lose weight I

will be a happy woman. I have even considered seriously by pass or lap band

surgery. I have a friend who just did by pass and I would not go that route

now after seeing what she has been through. So, I am now trying to heal my

body from all my past dirty deeds and hope that it will eventually lead to

some weight loss.

Allyn

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I'll try. But, I'm pretty heavy as it is now. I will be looking into some

of the sites others have suggested for additional ways of exercising.

jafa

Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

>> At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass more than

what I have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as I've read to

give your body a day off between workouts. <<

The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier weights, not lift more

often.

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And to lift really slowly, like to a count of 10 in

both directions.

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--- Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> >> At this point, I don't know how to increase my

> muscle mass more than

> what I have been doing and don't want to lift on

> more days, as I've read to

> give your body a day off between workouts. <<

>

> The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier

> weights, not lift more

> often.

>

> Christie

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Excuse me, but noticing the date/time stamp, where are you, Btitain?-

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> And to lift really slowly, like to a count of 10 in

> both directions.

> TT

>

> --- Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

>

> > >> At this point, I don't know how to increase my

> > muscle mass more than

> > what I have been doing and don't want to lift on

> > more days, as I've read to

> > give your body a day off between workouts. <<

> >

> > The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier

> > weights, not lift more

> > often.

> >

> > Christie

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> >> At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass

more than

> what I have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as

I've read to

> give your body a day off between workouts. <<

>

> The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier weights, not

lift more

> often.

>

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Interesting how active you were, but didn't lose weight. I am actually quite

thin, everywhere except for my stomach area. Frustrating!!

jafa

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Hi Jafa,

I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going to the gym 4 to 6 times a week.

I did aroebics and weight training and never lost a pound. I tried all

different kinds of programs, even spinning, and I could spin longer than

most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52) and I also did mountain

biking with my daughter. I am getting ready to start back on my treadmill

and I have a weider platinum machine much like a bow flex. I am trying to

stay positive but I feel I need the exercise but I am not expecting to lose

any weight. I trained with a guy who has been weight training all his life

and he was in his late 40's (this was about 3 years ago now) and he used to

say I was the healthiest fat personal he knew and could not figure out why I

did not lose. I was primarily on Atkins back than and watched my carbs. I

did not know about WAP so I was not eating what we now know as good fat but

I never lost weight. The only way I lost weight was on Fermans 6 week body

makeover and I lost 30 lbs on that in about a month but it is not healthy.

I added up the calories I ate on that and it was about 800-900 calories a

day and just about no fat at all. So, I don't think that helped my body

either. Also, with the weight lifting, I could bench press with my legs 400

lbs. and I used 30 to 40 lbs when I worked my triceps (just to give an idea

of the weights I used), so I was doing some serious weights for my age. I

did feel better so that is why I want to start again and if I lose weight I

will be a happy woman. I have even considered seriously by pass or lap band

surgery. I have a friend who just did by pass and I would not go that route

now after seeing what she has been through. So, I am now trying to heal my

body from all my past dirty deeds and hope that it will eventually lead to

some weight loss.

Allyn

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> I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going to the gym 4 to 6

times a week.

> I did aroebics and weight training and never lost a pound. I tried

all

> different kinds of programs, even spinning, and I could spin

longer than

> most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52)

-----> Allyn I understand. When I was training for a marathon I

gained wieght at the drop of a bucket if I wasn't wathcing what I

ate.

The only time I effortlessly lost wieght was when I had fibroid

tumors. I never understood why I was so easily thin but since have

learned that fibroids can be little estrogen factories. So my

estrogen levels may have been quite high (my skin was stunningly

clear and I got complemented all the time on it..another guess I had

high estrogen levels. Of course no doctor suggested taking a blood

test to see....).

After the fibroids were removed at age 45 I gained almost 10 lbs

within months and it's been a major struggle since.

I'm also 52 and need to lose around 40lbs now.

I was on bio-identical HRT last year and lost some wieght. I got off

hormones over the summer and the weight came right back.

I'm about to have an appointment with another doctor to relook at my

whole hormone issues so we'll see where that leads.

Lynn

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I hate to say this but if you are middle aged going through menopause that

is what happens. You gain in your stomach area.

Allyn

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Interesting how active you were, but didn't lose weight. I am actually

quite thin, everywhere except for my stomach area. Frustrating!!

jafa

ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

Hi Jafa,

I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going to the gym 4 to 6 times a week.

I did aroebics and weight training and never lost a pound. I tried all

different kinds of programs, even spinning, and I could spin longer than

most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52) and I also did mountain

biking with my daughter. I am getting ready to start back on my treadmill

and I have a weider platinum machine much like a bow flex. I am trying to

stay positive but I feel I need the exercise but I am not expecting to lose

any weight. I trained with a guy who has been weight training all his life

and he was in his late 40's (this was about 3 years ago now) and he used to

say I was the healthiest fat personal he knew and could not figure out why I

did not lose. I was primarily on Atkins back than and watched my carbs. I

did not know about WAP so I was not eating what we now know as good fat but

I never lost weight. The only way I lost weight was on Fermans 6 week body

makeover and I lost 30 lbs on that in about a month but it is not healthy.

I added up the calories I ate on that and it was about 800-900 calories a

day and just about no fat at all. So, I don't think that helped my body

either. Also, with the weight lifting, I could bench press with my legs 400

lbs. and I used 30 to 40 lbs when I worked my triceps (just to give an idea

of the weights I used), so I was doing some serious weights for my age. I

did feel better so that is why I want to start again and if I lose weight I

will be a happy woman. I have even considered seriously by pass or lap band

surgery. I have a friend who just did by pass and I would not go that route

now after seeing what she has been through. So, I am now trying to heal my

body from all my past dirty deeds and hope that it will eventually lead to

some weight loss.

Allyn

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Hi ,

I'm listening!!

I am taking standard process per Dr. Cowan's book and dulse for iodine.

What else do you suggest?

Allyn

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> >> At this point, I don't know how to increase my muscle mass

more than

> what I have been doing and don't want to lift on more days, as

I've read to

> give your body a day off between workouts. <<

>

> The way to increase muscle mass is to lift heavier weights, not

lift more

> often.

>

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>> And to lift really slowly, like to a count of 10 in

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Lift fewer reps, heavier weight, slowly and under smoothly and under

control, in both directions. NEVER use momentum to lift.

I lift everything as heavy as I can without losing form. The trainer at my

gym is semi-on board with this ... she thinks three sets of 12-8-6 are fine,

but if I can lift it 12 times, it's not heavy enough, is my motto. I shoot

for 5-6 reps the first set, 4-5 the second set, 2-3 the third. And it takes

me as long to do that as if I were lifting 12 at the speed most folks at my

gym do. It should be hard or there's no point. And you should get stronger

as you do it, and be able to increase your weight as you progress.

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Sorry, yes the weights and I lift at about 4 sec up and down. It's too hard for

me to go slower than that.

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>> I'll try. But, I'm pretty heavy as it is now. <<

You mean, the weights you are lifting are pretty heavy? Can you be more

specific?

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>> Sorry, yes the weights and I lift at about 4 sec up and down. It's too

hard for me to go slower than that. <<

Yeah, sounds like you are too weak. Do you have a trainer?

I'm no expert, but experts who I respect have talked to me about how to get

more muscle, and this is the theory on which I work:

Lift as heavy a weight as you can without losing form, the heaviest weight

you can lift slowly and smoothly through the complete range of motion, even

if you can only lift it once or twice per set without losing control of your

form, very, very slowly being the key. Four seconds is just not going to cut

it. Having to lift faster/being unable to lift slower means you are using

momentum instead of your muscles, and that isn't going to get you anywhere.

If you aren't using your muscles, you aren't making them stronger, it's that

simple.

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> Sorry, yes the weights and I lift at about 4 sec up and down. It's too

> hard for me to go slower than that.

The SuperSlow protocol (ten seconds up and five down) is not, as some of its

advocates would have you believe, unambiguously and incontrovertibly

superior to other training protocols. It may have its place, but it also

has drawbacks, and there's nothing wrong with four seconds per rep. The

main thing to remember is that you should be lifting in a controlled

fashion with good form, rather than just jerking the weight around.

Generally this will mean lifting somewhat slowly, but not exaggeratedly so.

Also, you can't lift very heavy weights very slowly. There are trade-offs.

If you're spending fifteen seconds per rep, you're necessarily going to be

lifting less than you could at five seconds per rep. This isn't because

you're cheating and using momentum with the faster lift; it's because you

have to maintain the tension much longer with the slower lift.

By the way, I assume you mean four seconds in total. Four seconds each way

is unnecessarily slow. I'm not saying that you shouldn't lift that slowly

if it feels right to you--just that you don't have to make a special effort

to slow it down to that speed.

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Well stated.

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> -Allyn, I was not looking to provoke defensiveness

> just curious.

> FWIW, you need explain SPL products. I've been

> usingthem for over

> 20 years. My original 'teacher' is one of the

> brightest anywhere,

> today, into use of these substances. Additionally,

> as a

> Kinesiologist, these are mainstay products, in out

> inventories.

> It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other

> interested

> parties , to know, really deeply know, that one

> endocrine weakness

> cannot be treated by addressing that one organ.

> Nothing to do w/my

> opinion. this is a fact absolute.

> Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is

> excellent for that. The

> adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

> Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any

> signif. V.C

> left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the

> surface area

> (nothing greater than being powderized), the more

> rapid the

> destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

> Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the

> thyroid and the

> adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine.

> If this is short

> supply...well we all know that any system is only as

> strong as it's

> weakest link.

> I only mention the brain elements (above) to

> emphasize the point

> that the endo. system is, as I like to call it, a

> delicate dance.

> When we watch a ballet w/oh let's say, 20 or so

> dancers on stage.

> If one dancer is out of step, the eye is drawn to

> that. Point is

> that this is not simple.

> I know I am being long winded, but any short answer

> would be a

> horrendous disservice. There are structural,

> chemical and emotional

> components - that is how we, as living things,not as

> humans- are

> wired, and there is no escaping this.

> If you are using protomorphogens from SPL, you

> need to be

> extremely careful if long term.

> How many 'moons' do yo have on your fingernail

> beds? How well do

> you move your bowels. These are powerful systemic

> health indicators.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , " ALLYN

> FERRIS "

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> > Hi ,

> > What kind of organic hi potency source?

> > You also mentioned the adrenals and what we mean

> by working on

> them. I know

> > I add sea salt and ascerola powder to my water and

> take Standard

> Process

> > supplements which contain bovine organs and

> glands. I have not

> started on

> > anything for my thyroid, except I do take dulse

> for the iodine,

> but I think

> > I might need to because of my iodine levels. The

> reason I take the

> > supplements is because of my age, stress levels,

> etc. but also

> because I do

> > not eat organ meats and have never eaten them so I

> feel this is a

> good way

> > to get the necessary nutrition from these organs.

> > Allyn

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > --Kelp, even in tincture form, is nota powerful

> enoug I2 source,

> to

> > jump start the thyroid-adrenal axis. iF yo want

> yto uise sea

> > veggies, please use kombu or (aw heck, what's that

> stuff called???-

> > hellpppp...). Anyway, if you know that yo need I2,

> and certainly

> > most people do, the yoa are well advised to use,

> temporarily, a

> good

> > org., hi potency source. Then you can back to sea

> veggies 4-6

> months

> > later, for maintenance. That's my 2cents. But at

> least you have

> > some more facts to mull over.

> > scott

> >

> > - In , " ALLYN

> FERRIS "

> > <aferris7272@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I did not know estrogen did all that although

> now I am in

> > menopause so I

> > > probably don't have much any way. I need to

> lose about 90 lbs.

> > and have

> > > been struggling all my life with this weight.

> My whole family

> is

> > heavy but

> > > I still think there might be something to that.

> I have been

> > working on my

> > > adrenals and have discovered I am iodine

> deficient so I am

> taking

> > kelp to

> > > help that.

> > > Good luck and let me know what the doctor finds.

> > > Allyn

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From:

> > > [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of Lynn

> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:01 AM

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Exercise Program-Matt

> Furey:Christie

> > >

> > >

> > > > I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going

> to the gym 4 to 6

> > > times a week.

> > > > I did aroebics and weight training and never

> lost a pound. I

> > tried

> > > all

> > > > different kinds of programs, even spinning,

> and I could spin

> > > longer than

> > > > most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52)

>

> > >

> > >

> > > -----> Allyn I understand. When I was training

> for a marathon I

> > > gained wieght at the drop of a bucket if I

> wasn't wathcing what

> I

> > > ate.

> > >

> > > The only time I effortlessly lost wieght was

> when I had fibroid

> > > tumors. I never understood why I was so easily

> thin but since

> have

> > > learned that fibroids can be little estrogen

> factories. So my

> > > estrogen levels may have been quite high (my

> skin was stunningly

> > > clear and I got complemented all the time on

> it..another guess I

> > had

> > > high estrogen levels. Of course no doctor

> suggested taking a

> blood

> > > test to see....).

> > >

>

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Hi ,

I am sorry if you thought I was being defensive as I certainly did not mean

to come off that way. I understand somewhat of what you are saying but then

I am a bit confused as well. I guess I don't know where to go from here from

what you are saying. To answer your question, I have 4 moons and the other

nails have none. I do have regular bowel movements. I have been recommended

to use ascerola powder by one of the chapter leaders and there are a lot of

women on another wap chat room that do the sea salt a ascerola powder. I

guess we are all trying to do our best but then we are told different

information. Also, I was not trying to tell you anything regarding SPL but

I did not know because I had not seen it mentioned any where about your

credentials. So, I was basically just trying to tell you where I was coming

from.

Allyn

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of t tarail

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Exercise Program-Matt Furey:Christie

Well stated.

TT

--- docscotte <docscotte@...> wrote:

> -Allyn, I was not looking to provoke defensiveness

> just curious.

> FWIW, you need explain SPL products. I've been

> usingthem for over

> 20 years. My original 'teacher' is one of the

> brightest anywhere,

> today, into use of these substances. Additionally,

> as a

> Kinesiologist, these are mainstay products, in out

> inventories.

> It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other

> interested

> parties , to know, really deeply know, that one

> endocrine weakness

> cannot be treated by addressing that one organ.

> Nothing to do w/my

> opinion. this is a fact absolute.

> Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is

> excellent for that. The

> adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

> Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any

> signif. V.C

> left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the

> surface area

> (nothing greater than being powderized), the more

> rapid the

> destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

> Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the

> thyroid and the

> adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine.

> If this is short

> supply...well we all know that any system is only as

> strong as it's

> weakest link.

> I only mention the brain elements (above) to

> emphasize the point

> that the endo. system is, as I like to call it, a

> delicate dance.

> When we watch a ballet w/oh let's say, 20 or so

> dancers on stage.

> If one dancer is out of step, the eye is drawn to

> that. Point is

> that this is not simple.

> I know I am being long winded, but any short answer

> would be a

> horrendous disservice. There are structural,

> chemical and emotional

> components - that is how we, as living things,not as

> humans- are

> wired, and there is no escaping this.

> If you are using protomorphogens from SPL, you

> need to be

> extremely careful if long term.

> How many 'moons' do yo have on your fingernail

> beds? How well do

> you move your bowels. These are powerful systemic

> health indicators.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , " ALLYN

> FERRIS "

> <aferris7272@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> > What kind of organic hi potency source?

> > You also mentioned the adrenals and what we mean

> by working on

> them. I know

> > I add sea salt and ascerola powder to my water and

> take Standard

> Process

> > supplements which contain bovine organs and

> glands. I have not

> started on

> > anything for my thyroid, except I do take dulse

> for the iodine,

> but I think

> > I might need to because of my iodine levels. The

> reason I take the

> > supplements is because of my age, stress levels,

> etc. but also

> because I do

> > not eat organ meats and have never eaten them so I

> feel this is a

> good way

> > to get the necessary nutrition from these organs.

> > Allyn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of docscotte

> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:18 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Exercise Program-Matt

> Furey:Christie

> >

> > --Kelp, even in tincture form, is nota powerful

> enoug I2 source,

> to

> > jump start the thyroid-adrenal axis. iF yo want

> yto uise sea

> > veggies, please use kombu or (aw heck, what's that

> stuff called???-

> > hellpppp...). Anyway, if you know that yo need I2,

> and certainly

> > most people do, the yoa are well advised to use,

> temporarily, a

> good

> > org., hi potency source. Then you can back to sea

> veggies 4-6

> months

> > later, for maintenance. That's my 2cents. But at

> least you have

> > some more facts to mull over.

> > scott

> >

> > - In , " ALLYN

> FERRIS "

> > <aferris7272@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I did not know estrogen did all that although

> now I am in

> > menopause so I

> > > probably don't have much any way. I need to

> lose about 90 lbs.

> > and have

> > > been struggling all my life with this weight.

> My whole family

> is

> > heavy but

> > > I still think there might be something to that.

> I have been

> > working on my

> > > adrenals and have discovered I am iodine

> deficient so I am

> taking

> > kelp to

> > > help that.

> > > Good luck and let me know what the doctor finds.

> > > Allyn

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From:

> > > [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of Lynn

> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:01 AM

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Exercise Program-Matt

> Furey:Christie

> > >

> > >

> > > > I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going

> to the gym 4 to 6

> > > times a week.

> > > > I did aroebics and weight training and never

> lost a pound. I

> > tried

> > > all

> > > > different kinds of programs, even spinning,

> and I could spin

> > > longer than

> > > > most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52)

>

> > >

> > >

> > > -----> Allyn I understand. When I was training

> for a marathon I

> > > gained wieght at the drop of a bucket if I

> wasn't wathcing what

> I

> > > ate.

> > >

> > > The only time I effortlessly lost wieght was

> when I had fibroid

> > > tumors. I never understood why I was so easily

> thin but since

> have

> > > learned that fibroids can be little estrogen

> factories. So my

> > > estrogen levels may have been quite high (my

> skin was stunningly

> > > clear and I got complemented all the time on

> it..another guess I

> > had

> > > high estrogen levels. Of course no doctor

> suggested taking a

> blood

> > > test to see....).

> > >

>

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Allyn, please relax, I did want to upset you. Everyting is jjuusstt

fine. Now, I found a couple of typos in my earlier resposne, that

if one is not reading carefully, one may interpret the opposite of

what I actually meant. But upon reread, most can figure those out.

Of the 8 'moons' we are supposed to have, having 4 is not a good

sign. Over the long haul, you can use these as a barometer of global

tissue oxygen levels - which in turn, is an indicator of good health.

For example, my dog recently bit me, and split my nail, right

through the bed. As the old gross nail grows out, and the new one

comes in, it has a 'better' moon than the earlier one. But again, I

have been proactive in promotomg healthy and speedy regrowth-mainly

essential oils.

Per your comment, we are all trying to do the best we can. But do

some 'real' research, and any powdreed herb/plant is pretty much

gone, or on the way to being gone, unless you personally know the

source, and how long it was in that form, and the quality of the

original plant. To not be completely negative, I have here at home

some powdered herbs. But I know the grower, I know the care she

takes, and all the relevent details. I also have from her, herbs in

raw uncut/unchopped form. Herbs are VERY! tricky business. Not

simple at all as THEY would have us all believe.

I know you were not trying to tell me anything about SPL

products. Sorry if I made yo feel that way.

Your comment of 'regular' bowel activity is completely

meaningless. If you are uncomfortable speaking in this format; if

you'd like, we can e/m privately. This body function is exceedingly

impt for all kinds of reasons, & is a strong health barometer.

> > > >

> > > > I did not know estrogen did all that although

> > now I am in

> > > menopause so I

> > > > probably don't have much any way. I need to

> > lose about 90 lbs.

> > > and have

> > > > been struggling all my life with this weight.

> > My whole family

> > is

> > > heavy but

> > > > I still think there might be something to that.

> > I have been

> > > working on my

> > > > adrenals and have discovered I am iodine

> > deficient so I am

> > taking

> > > kelp to

> > > > help that.

> > > > Good luck and let me know what the doctor finds.

> > > > Allyn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > From:

> > > > [mailto: ] On

> > Behalf Of Lynn

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:01 AM

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Re: Exercise Program-Matt

> > Furey:Christie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I am heavy as well and I spent 4 years going

> > to the gym 4 to 6

> > > > times a week.

> > > > > I did aroebics and weight training and never

> > lost a pound. I

> > > tried

> > > > all

> > > > > different kinds of programs, even spinning,

> > and I could spin

> > > > longer than

> > > > > most 20 and 30 year olds ( I am now almost 52)

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -----> Allyn I understand. When I was training

> > for a marathon I

> > > > gained wieght at the drop of a bucket if I

> > wasn't wathcing what

> > I

> > > > ate.

> > > >

> > > > The only time I effortlessly lost wieght was

> > when I had fibroid

> > > > tumors. I never understood why I was so easily

> > thin but since

> > have

> > > > learned that fibroids can be little estrogen

> > factories. So my

> > > > estrogen levels may have been quite high (my

> > skin was stunningly

> > > > clear and I got complemented all the time on

> > it..another guess I

> > > had

> > > > high estrogen levels. Of course no doctor

> > suggested taking a

> > blood

> > > > test to see....).

> > > >

> >

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Hello and pardon for jumping in here, but when you mentioned the moons on

the fingernails, you got me curious. Are you referring to the half moon at

the cuticle? I only have them on my thumb nails and its barely there. Do

you have more info on this? I always thought there is supposed to be one

moon. Thanks

P.S. Regarding the distasis, do you have to be diagnosed by a doc to know if

you have that?

-- Re: Exercise Program-Matt Furey:Christie

Allyn, please relax, I did want to upset you. Everyting is jjuusstt

fine. Now, I found a couple of typos in my earlier resposne, that

if one is not reading carefully, one may interpret the opposite of

what I actually meant. But upon reread, most can figure those out.

Of the 8 'moons' we are supposed to have, having 4 is not a good

sign. Over the long haul, you can use these as a barometer of global

tissue oxygen levels - which in turn, is an indicator of good health.

For example, my dog recently bit me, and split my nail, right

through the bed. As the old gross nail grows out, and the new one

comes in, it has a 'better' moon than the earlier one. But again, I

have been proactive in promotomg healthy and speedy regrowth-mainly

essential oils.

Per your comment, we are all trying to do the best we can. But do

some 'real' research, and any powdreed herb/plant is pretty much

gone, or on the way to being gone, unless you personally know the

source, and how long it was in that form, and the quality of the

original plant. To not be completely negative, I have here at home

some powdered herbs. But I know the grower, I know the care she

takes, and all the relevent details. I also have from her, herbs in

raw uncut/unchopped form. Herbs are VERY! tricky business. Not

simple at all as THEY would have us all believe.

I know you were not trying to tell me anything about SPL

products. Sorry if I made yo feel that way.

Your comment of 'regular' bowel activity is completely

meaningless. If you are uncomfortable speaking in this format; if

you'd like, we can e/m privately. This body function is exceedingly

impt for all kinds of reasons, & is a strong health barometer.

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Wonderful post! Back to Dr. Kaslow's site where Dr. Goodheart's food combining

I posted from there brought you here.

I've been doing Dr. Kaslow's C, B5, B6 and salt adrenal insufficiency protocol

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/adrenal_insufficiency.html

for the last few weeks.

I've taken B5 for more than a year being a fast oxidizer, metabolic protein

type. Dr. Kaslow recommends Kosher salt out of concern for trace mineral

overdose. Irony is when I first came to this list I reluctantly tried sea

salting my food like I did 30+ years ago, thinking sea salt would be better than

table salt that caused me to retain water in my first pregnancy. Body bloat was

back in a week with sea salt. With the C (using ester), B5 and B6 there isn't

that problem. Better yet, can't remember when I've felt less apprehensive. B5

may have been jumpstart. B3, been taking as fast metabolizer. Take fish oil.

What is V.C.?

Wanita

It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other interested

parties , to know, really deeply know, that one endocrine weakness

cannot be treated by addressing that one organ. Nothing to do w/my

opinion. this is a fact absolute.

Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is excellent for that. The

adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any signif. V.C

left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the surface area

(nothing greater than being powderized), the more rapid the

destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the thyroid and the

adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine. If this is short

supply...well we all know that any system is only as strong as it's

weakest link.

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Hi. As long as you seen 2B happy w/what you perceive as 'results'

then it's no one's place to argue. To be the ultimate downer,

however, always keep in back of mind that oh so very often, cancer

and heart disease are accidentally, and sometimes fatally,

discvered, while looking for something else (serendipity) or it

blows up in your face out nowhere. If you want to see how your

adrenals are doing, then do a 4 part salivary hormonal profile,

and/or a neurotansmitter profile.

Again, keep in mind that the B vit's are available in both

synthetic coal tar derived, and biologically active forms. Wonder

which you are swallowing - of course, the whole 'swallowing' thing

throws the whole system out of whack in the first place. I guess we

can talk about that sometime later.

I keep many different sea salts in the office, as at any one

time, only one or two will be appropriate for any given person.

However, your history is the first I've ever heard of, of sea

salt inducing such water imbalance. I'm tempted to say that the

salt you were using was contaminated, though who can say for sure?

Not me, certainly.

How does Kosher salt mitigate the concern for trace mineral

overdose? And much more to the point, by using hi quality sea salt

as the source, how can anyone possibly overdose on trace minerals?

I don't think it's humanly possible from that source.

How is your thyroid, hypothalmus, pituitary, gonads????

>

> ,

>

> Wonderful post! Back to Dr. Kaslow's site where Dr. Goodheart's

food combining I posted from there brought you here.

>

> I've been doing Dr. Kaslow's C, B5, B6 and salt adrenal

insufficiency protocol

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/adrenal_insufficiency.html

> for the last few weeks.

>

> I've taken B5 for more than a year being a fast oxidizer,

metabolic protein type. Dr. Kaslow recommends Kosher salt out of

concern for trace mineral overdose. Irony is when I first came to

this list I reluctantly tried sea salting my food like I did 30+

years ago, thinking sea salt would be better than table salt that

caused me to retain water in my first pregnancy. Body bloat was back

in a week with sea salt. With the C (using ester), B5 and B6 there

isn't that problem. Better yet, can't remember when I've felt less

apprehensive. B5 may have been jumpstart. B3, been taking as fast

metabolizer. Take fish oil. What is V.C.?

>

> Wanita

> It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other interested

> parties , to know, really deeply know, that one endocrine weakness

> cannot be treated by addressing that one organ. Nothing to do w/my

> opinion. this is a fact absolute.

> Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is excellent for that.

The

> adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

> Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any signif. V.C

> left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the surface area

> (nothing greater than being powderized), the more rapid the

> destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

> Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the thyroid and the

> adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine. If this is

short

> supply...well we all know that any system is only as strong as

it's

> weakest link.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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What is the difference b/w sea salt and kosher salt?

-- In , Wanita <wanitawa@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Wonderful post! Back to Dr. Kaslow's site where Dr. Goodheart's

food combining I posted from there brought you here.

>

> I've been doing Dr. Kaslow's C, B5, B6 and salt adrenal

insufficiency protocol

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/adrenal_insufficiency.html

> for the last few weeks.

>

> I've taken B5 for more than a year being a fast oxidizer,

metabolic protein type. Dr. Kaslow recommends Kosher salt out of

concern for trace mineral overdose. Irony is when I first came to

this list I reluctantly tried sea salting my food like I did 30+

years ago, thinking sea salt would be better than table salt that

caused me to retain water in my first pregnancy. Body bloat was back

in a week with sea salt. With the C (using ester), B5 and B6 there

isn't that problem. Better yet, can't remember when I've felt less

apprehensive. B5 may have been jumpstart. B3, been taking as fast

metabolizer. Take fish oil. What is V.C.?

>

> Wanita

> It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other interested

> parties , to know, really deeply know, that one endocrine weakness

> cannot be treated by addressing that one organ. Nothing to do w/my

> opinion. this is a fact absolute.

> Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is excellent for that.

The

> adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

> Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any signif. V.C

> left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the surface area

> (nothing greater than being powderized), the more rapid the

> destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

> Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the thyroid and the

> adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine. If this is

short

> supply...well we all know that any system is only as strong as

it's

> weakest link.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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To one and all who have an interest in this subject,

Looking at Kaslow's site, he is brilliant in demonstrating his

ignorance. Better than doing nothing, of course, for short term,

but he (is he a 'he'? - I don't know) amazingly myopic. Strict

adherence to that plan is like your car needing a major tune up, and

the only thing you do is change half the plugs.

The endocrine symphony has many players. Do NOT be fooled by the

grouping of symptoms which suggest kidney yin(?) deficiency (adrenal

problems). Following this approach is just a drugless verison of

the medical model, and nothing to do w/wholistic care. And yes,

wholistic SHOULD be spelled w/a 'w' - problem is, most people have

issues w/using their brains.

Intimately related to the adrenals is the liver, the thyroid, the

hypothalmus, the pituitary, the gonads, the pancreas and the bowels;

just to start the discussion.

Kosher salt is a scam, and I have been telling people this for 15

years. Kosher salt was originhally used along time ago for

covering meats with, to draw out all the blood - due to the

tremendous change is osmotic pressures when covered in high cation

concertration - and thus presumably removing any/all toxins.

Salts and other spices have also been used, as you all know, for

preserving, for a very long time historically.

Point? Kosher salt and sea salt have nothing to do w/each other.

V.C =vitamin C.

Funny thing about G.heart. I was there in person when he

categorically stated that food combining was unimportant. Then in

later years, I have heard him advocate it.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Wonderful post! Back to Dr. Kaslow's site where Dr.

Goodheart's

> food combining I posted from there brought you here.

> >

> > I've been doing Dr. Kaslow's C, B5, B6 and salt adrenal

> insufficiency protocol

> http://www.drkaslow.com/html/adrenal_insufficiency.html

> > for the last few weeks.

> >

> > I've taken B5 for more than a year being a fast oxidizer,

> metabolic protein type. Dr. Kaslow recommends Kosher salt out of

> concern for trace mineral overdose. Irony is when I first came to

> this list I reluctantly tried sea salting my food like I did 30+

> years ago, thinking sea salt would be better than table salt that

> caused me to retain water in my first pregnancy. Body bloat was

back

> in a week with sea salt. With the C (using ester), B5 and B6 there

> isn't that problem. Better yet, can't remember when I've felt less

> apprehensive. B5 may have been jumpstart. B3, been taking as fast

> metabolizer. Take fish oil. What is V.C.?

> >

> > Wanita

> > It is of extreme! importance for you, and any other interested

> > parties , to know, really deeply know, that one endocrine

weakness

> > cannot be treated by addressing that one organ. Nothing to do

w/my

> > opinion. this is a fact absolute.

> > Adrenals suck up sodium, so the sea salt is excellent for that.

> The

> > adrenals also love, b3, B5, (real) V.C and efa's.

> > Odds are extremely high that asc. powder has any signif. V.C

> > left. It oxidizes very rapidly, and the greater the surface area

> > (nothing greater than being powderized), the more rapid the

> > destruction of this most fragile of molecules.

> > Now, under hypothalamic/pituitary control, the thyroid and the

> > adrenals share a common amino element in tyrosine. If this is

> short

> > supply...well we all know that any system is only as strong as

> it's

> > weakest link.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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