Re: low-moderate-high carb

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

It is even trickier than this. There are different ways of interpretting

fiber. some subtract all carbs, some subtract only insoluble carbs and others

subtract any fiber grams >5 in a serving. So......I choose not to use these

definitions <g>

Carol T

> 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

It is even trickier than this. There are different ways of interpretting

fiber. some subtract all carbs, some subtract only insoluble carbs and others

subtract any fiber grams >5 in a serving. So......I choose not to use these

definitions <g>

Carol T

> 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick,

It is even trickier than this. There are different ways of interpretting

fiber. some subtract all carbs, some subtract only insoluble carbs and others

subtract any fiber grams >5 in a serving. So......I choose not to use these

definitions <g>

Carol T

> 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol wrote:

> Hi Rick,

>

> It is even trickier than this. There are different ways of

> interpretting fiber. some subtract all carbs, some subtract only

> insoluble carbs and others subtract any fiber grams >5 in a serving.

> So......I choose not to use these

> definitions <g>

>

> Carol T

>

>

> > 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> > 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> > 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> > 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

Carol,

You are absolutely right about the fiber being subtracted from the total

carb count. The numbers I threw out are just my " idea " of the

approximate ranges. I am curious as to what others consider

low-moderate-high. I have never seen a " standardized " chart with this

information and I suspect that there is quite a variation between the

members on the list. I guess for me, this is one of those " I'm curious "

questions that I had not thought about asking until Bill asked it.

Rick

[Guest guest]

Carol wrote:

> Hi Rick,

>

> It is even trickier than this. There are different ways of

> interpretting fiber. some subtract all carbs, some subtract only

> insoluble carbs and others subtract any fiber grams >5 in a serving.

> So......I choose not to use these

> definitions <g>

>

> Carol T

>

>

> > 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> > 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> > 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> > 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

Carol,

You are absolutely right about the fiber being subtracted from the total

carb count. The numbers I threw out are just my " idea " of the

approximate ranges. I am curious as to what others consider

low-moderate-high. I have never seen a " standardized " chart with this

information and I suspect that there is quite a variation between the

members on the list. I guess for me, this is one of those " I'm curious "

questions that I had not thought about asking until Bill asked it.

Rick

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 8:57:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rick@... writes:

>

> Carol,

> You are absolutely right about the fiber being subtracted from the total

> carb count. The numbers I threw out are just my " idea " of the

> approximate ranges. I am curious as to what others consider

> low-moderate-high. I have never seen a " standardized " chart with this

> information and I suspect that there is quite a variation between the

> members on the list. I guess for me, this is one of those " I'm curious "

> questions that I had not thought about asking until Bill asked it.

> Rick

I think this is a question with no scientifically defined answer. My take on

it is as follows:

I think everyone would agree that Bernstein's diet, or Atkins induction would

be low carb, in the range of 20-30grams/day.

At the other end of the scale, the low-fat/complex carb " exchange " type of

diet that has been the ADA standard for many years would be considered " high

carb " , as the minimum I have seen for that is about 150 grams of carbs per

day, typical around 200 and I have seen people on it as high as 250 grams.

Between those limits, it gets real fuzzy. Vicki says she is " moderate

carbing " at 100 grams/day, and I think that is a reasonable statement.

I would not be comfortable telling anyone that low-carb was over 50 grams, so

I would put the " moderate " level at about 50-100 grams/day.

As far as whether to count the fiber or not, that is an individual decision,

and as long as one is consistent in the way they do it, relative to their

test results, either way should work. If you are low-carbing and want more to

eat, then deducting the fiber will allow that. Only testing will show if you

made the right decision.

I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

are more important. If someone has a question about their diet and how many

carbs, it would seem better to ask or answer using an actual number than

" low " , " moderate " or " high " which are open to interpretation.

All this is just MHO.

, T2

Oregon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 8:57:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rick@... writes:

>

> Carol,

> You are absolutely right about the fiber being subtracted from the total

> carb count. The numbers I threw out are just my " idea " of the

> approximate ranges. I am curious as to what others consider

> low-moderate-high. I have never seen a " standardized " chart with this

> information and I suspect that there is quite a variation between the

> members on the list. I guess for me, this is one of those " I'm curious "

> questions that I had not thought about asking until Bill asked it.

> Rick

I think this is a question with no scientifically defined answer. My take on

it is as follows:

I think everyone would agree that Bernstein's diet, or Atkins induction would

be low carb, in the range of 20-30grams/day.

At the other end of the scale, the low-fat/complex carb " exchange " type of

diet that has been the ADA standard for many years would be considered " high

carb " , as the minimum I have seen for that is about 150 grams of carbs per

day, typical around 200 and I have seen people on it as high as 250 grams.

Between those limits, it gets real fuzzy. Vicki says she is " moderate

carbing " at 100 grams/day, and I think that is a reasonable statement.

I would not be comfortable telling anyone that low-carb was over 50 grams, so

I would put the " moderate " level at about 50-100 grams/day.

As far as whether to count the fiber or not, that is an individual decision,

and as long as one is consistent in the way they do it, relative to their

test results, either way should work. If you are low-carbing and want more to

eat, then deducting the fiber will allow that. Only testing will show if you

made the right decision.

I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

are more important. If someone has a question about their diet and how many

carbs, it would seem better to ask or answer using an actual number than

" low " , " moderate " or " high " which are open to interpretation.

All this is just MHO.

, T2

Oregon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/02 8:57:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rick@... writes:

>

> Carol,

> You are absolutely right about the fiber being subtracted from the total

> carb count. The numbers I threw out are just my " idea " of the

> approximate ranges. I am curious as to what others consider

> low-moderate-high. I have never seen a " standardized " chart with this

> information and I suspect that there is quite a variation between the

> members on the list. I guess for me, this is one of those " I'm curious "

> questions that I had not thought about asking until Bill asked it.

> Rick

I think this is a question with no scientifically defined answer. My take on

it is as follows:

I think everyone would agree that Bernstein's diet, or Atkins induction would

be low carb, in the range of 20-30grams/day.

At the other end of the scale, the low-fat/complex carb " exchange " type of

diet that has been the ADA standard for many years would be considered " high

carb " , as the minimum I have seen for that is about 150 grams of carbs per

day, typical around 200 and I have seen people on it as high as 250 grams.

Between those limits, it gets real fuzzy. Vicki says she is " moderate

carbing " at 100 grams/day, and I think that is a reasonable statement.

I would not be comfortable telling anyone that low-carb was over 50 grams, so

I would put the " moderate " level at about 50-100 grams/day.

As far as whether to count the fiber or not, that is an individual decision,

and as long as one is consistent in the way they do it, relative to their

test results, either way should work. If you are low-carbing and want more to

eat, then deducting the fiber will allow that. Only testing will show if you

made the right decision.

I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

are more important. If someone has a question about their diet and how many

carbs, it would seem better to ask or answer using an actual number than

" low " , " moderate " or " high " which are open to interpretation.

All this is just MHO.

, T2

Oregon

[Guest guest]

> 000 - 025 grams per day - Ultra Low Carb

> 026 - 080 grams per day - Low Carb

> 081 - 200 grams per day - Moderate Carb

> 201 or more grams per day - High Carb

> I'm interested to see what others post in response to this question.

***I agree, and I don't think we need to get technical about the fiber for

these purposes.

Barb

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with on the Carb scale. But one thing that should

be added is the words " in moderation " to describing each of our 'WOE's.

To control our BS or our weight, the words " in moderation " must be

included. I think that we all try to eat " in moderation " but sometimes

we all backslide. I know I do.

========= I may not have gotten all the facts, but at approximately

2/18/02 3:57 PM I believe rogerhlmn@... is rumored to have said:

>I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

>these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

>are more important.

=====================================================================

Maurer - Type II since 4/87, diet, exercise, and meds.

http://homepage.mac.com/maurerw/index.html

(only 45 minutes from Sequoia National Park in Central California)

=====================================================================

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with on the Carb scale. But one thing that should

be added is the words " in moderation " to describing each of our 'WOE's.

To control our BS or our weight, the words " in moderation " must be

included. I think that we all try to eat " in moderation " but sometimes

we all backslide. I know I do.

========= I may not have gotten all the facts, but at approximately

2/18/02 3:57 PM I believe rogerhlmn@... is rumored to have said:

>I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

>these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

>are more important.

=====================================================================

Maurer - Type II since 4/87, diet, exercise, and meds.

http://homepage.mac.com/maurerw/index.html

(only 45 minutes from Sequoia National Park in Central California)

=====================================================================

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with on the Carb scale. But one thing that should

be added is the words " in moderation " to describing each of our 'WOE's.

To control our BS or our weight, the words " in moderation " must be

included. I think that we all try to eat " in moderation " but sometimes

we all backslide. I know I do.

========= I may not have gotten all the facts, but at approximately

2/18/02 3:57 PM I believe rogerhlmn@... is rumored to have said:

>I'm not sure that it is really useful or productive to put exact labels on

>these things. There are so many other details of controlling this thing that

>are more important.

=====================================================================

Maurer - Type II since 4/87, diet, exercise, and meds.

http://homepage.mac.com/maurerw/index.html

(only 45 minutes from Sequoia National Park in Central California)

=====================================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki

In a message dated 02/19/2002 8:18:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

bill.tornio@... writes:

> My next move on this mental gameboard is to work on the exercise part.

> Right now I sit at a desk all day, and by my computer at home at night (

> computers are my hobby! ). I keep thinking about inventing a backpack ( or

> frontpack it would be) that I can mount a laptop onto and use voice

> recognition to toy on my computer while I walk.... ..... until then I

> will just have to break away to get some exercise. Again, it is all part

> of

> the mind games.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki

In a message dated 02/19/2002 8:18:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

bill.tornio@... writes:

> My next move on this mental gameboard is to work on the exercise part.

> Right now I sit at a desk all day, and by my computer at home at night (

> computers are my hobby! ). I keep thinking about inventing a backpack ( or

> frontpack it would be) that I can mount a laptop onto and use voice

> recognition to toy on my computer while I walk.... ..... until then I

> will just have to break away to get some exercise. Again, it is all part

> of

> the mind games.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki

In a message dated 02/19/2002 8:18:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

bill.tornio@... writes:

> My next move on this mental gameboard is to work on the exercise part.

> Right now I sit at a desk all day, and by my computer at home at night (

> computers are my hobby! ). I keep thinking about inventing a backpack ( or

> frontpack it would be) that I can mount a laptop onto and use voice

> recognition to toy on my computer while I walk.... ..... until then I

> will just have to break away to get some exercise. Again, it is all part

> of

> the mind games.

>

[Guest guest]

Bill, you wrote:

>

>My next move on this mental gameboard is to work on the exercise part.

>Right now I sit at a desk all day, and by my computer at home at night (

>computers are my hobby! ). I keep thinking about inventing a backpack ( or

>frontpack it would be) that I can mount a laptop onto and use voice

>recognition to toy on my computer while I walk.... ..... until then I

>will just have to break away to get some exercise. Again, it is all part of

>the mind games.

Now I must say you sound like my husband. He's in front of his computer all

day and sometimes half the night. We have and air bike that as soon as we

get a bushing for it he will start exercising but right now with his back

problems he has too much pain when walking. The specialist that our GP sent

him to says it Arthritis and he's going through physical therapy right now.

If it wasn't for his computer he'd go crazy since that's about the only

thing he has left anymore that he can still do. I'm glad to see that he's

not the only one. Gives me a little more encouragement. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I used to listen to books on tape when I commuted for 1 1/2 hours one way.

I will have to start up again!! As far as mall walking in the winter, the

closest mall is 30 miles away and the largest building worth walking in is

the high school ( which is fairly small for out town of 1000 people) isn't

too fun. Too many kids hang out after school, or have sports which also

utilize the hallways for running. I just have to bundle up tight, suck it

in and battle the cold air. But it does make you walk faster, just to keep

warm!!

Hey Bill... invent something that you can mount on the front of a stationary

bike to hold your laptop! That would be so cool. Right now I watch TV or

read. Thanks to whoever out there mentioned the books on tapes... that's an

outstanding idea also. The books on tapes might be okay for you too Bill.

Only listen when you are walking and if it's winter there, mall walk (best

in the early morning) or wander through the biggest store you can get to...

up and down the aisles (also best in the early morning) It can be very

interesting.

[Guest guest]

I used to listen to books on tape when I commuted for 1 1/2 hours one way.

I will have to start up again!! As far as mall walking in the winter, the

closest mall is 30 miles away and the largest building worth walking in is

the high school ( which is fairly small for out town of 1000 people) isn't

too fun. Too many kids hang out after school, or have sports which also

utilize the hallways for running. I just have to bundle up tight, suck it

in and battle the cold air. But it does make you walk faster, just to keep

warm!!

Hey Bill... invent something that you can mount on the front of a stationary

bike to hold your laptop! That would be so cool. Right now I watch TV or

read. Thanks to whoever out there mentioned the books on tapes... that's an

outstanding idea also. The books on tapes might be okay for you too Bill.

Only listen when you are walking and if it's winter there, mall walk (best

in the early morning) or wander through the biggest store you can get to...

up and down the aisles (also best in the early morning) It can be very

interesting.

[Guest guest]

I used to listen to books on tape when I commuted for 1 1/2 hours one way.

I will have to start up again!! As far as mall walking in the winter, the

closest mall is 30 miles away and the largest building worth walking in is

the high school ( which is fairly small for out town of 1000 people) isn't

too fun. Too many kids hang out after school, or have sports which also

utilize the hallways for running. I just have to bundle up tight, suck it

in and battle the cold air. But it does make you walk faster, just to keep

warm!!

Hey Bill... invent something that you can mount on the front of a stationary

bike to hold your laptop! That would be so cool. Right now I watch TV or

read. Thanks to whoever out there mentioned the books on tapes... that's an

outstanding idea also. The books on tapes might be okay for you too Bill.

Only listen when you are walking and if it's winter there, mall walk (best

in the early morning) or wander through the biggest store you can get to...

up and down the aisles (also best in the early morning) It can be very

interesting.

[Guest guest]

Water walking is great exercise... Push forward with your legs instead of

picking up your feet and push through the water with your arms. If you do

it with a slow rhythm you don't even get your face wet. I am a good

swimmer... but I still hate it. I will water walk when I don't want to get

my hair wet.

Just hate to see anyone get away without exercising when I have to...8-)

Rita

" Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. "

-- Jefferson

RE: low-moderate-high carb

Rita,

I had a Large rock for a swimming teacher, in other words I can't swim.

It's just not one of the things I can learn to do but I would love to. I

some times think the water would short out the electronics in my body if I

tried.

Robbie

[Guest guest]

Water walking is great exercise... Push forward with your legs instead of

picking up your feet and push through the water with your arms. If you do

it with a slow rhythm you don't even get your face wet. I am a good

swimmer... but I still hate it. I will water walk when I don't want to get

my hair wet.

Just hate to see anyone get away without exercising when I have to...8-)

Rita

" Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. "

-- Jefferson

RE: low-moderate-high carb

Rita,

I had a Large rock for a swimming teacher, in other words I can't swim.

It's just not one of the things I can learn to do but I would love to. I

some times think the water would short out the electronics in my body if I

tried.

Robbie

[Guest guest]

Water walking is great exercise... Push forward with your legs instead of

picking up your feet and push through the water with your arms. If you do

it with a slow rhythm you don't even get your face wet. I am a good

swimmer... but I still hate it. I will water walk when I don't want to get

my hair wet.

Just hate to see anyone get away without exercising when I have to...8-)

Rita

" Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. "

-- Jefferson

RE: low-moderate-high carb

Rita,

I had a Large rock for a swimming teacher, in other words I can't swim.

It's just not one of the things I can learn to do but I would love to. I

some times think the water would short out the electronics in my body if I

tried.

Robbie

[Guest guest]

I've thought about the early morning thing. I am not an early morning

person, although I currently crawl out at around 5:30. To start something

in the morning would mean an earlier fall out of be. But that is a thought.

At least, then I wouldn't have something else to use for an excuse to get

out of it ;>)

Re: low-moderate-high carb

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always

seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

I've thought about the early morning thing. I am not an early morning

person, although I currently crawl out at around 5:30. To start something

in the morning would mean an earlier fall out of be. But that is a thought.

At least, then I wouldn't have something else to use for an excuse to get

out of it ;>)

Re: low-moderate-high carb

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always

seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

I've thought about the early morning thing. I am not an early morning

person, although I currently crawl out at around 5:30. To start something

in the morning would mean an earlier fall out of be. But that is a thought.

At least, then I wouldn't have something else to use for an excuse to get

out of it ;>)

Re: low-moderate-high carb

Hi, Bill, as someone who never particularly liked exercise, I've found the

best time to do it is first thing in the morning, an hour after breakfast,

before I get into my day's routine..even though it means that I now have to

get up at 5:30 a.m. I'm a morning person, so this isn't as hard for me as

some. By the time I fix and have breakfast and get dressed it's nearly 7

a.m....as long as it's winter and dark outside (and cold) I do mallwalk at

the local mall for 45 minutes four times a week. I go to the gym the other

three. I listen to a book on tape from the library to make the exercise less

odious and that's the only time I allow myself to listen to it, so it

motivates me especially if I'm listening to a good book. Then I continue

with my daily routine.

I've learned that if I plan to do it later in the day, something always

seems

to happen that's more important so the exercise somehow doesn't happen.

Vicki