RE: Re: Exercise Program-Christie

March 22, 2006

Christie,

I understand what you are saying here, but it is just too difficult and

tedious for me to lift a weight that is heavy, that slowly. I slow down as

much as I can to make for, hopefully, an effective workout. The trainers I've

used before thought I was lifting too slowly at 4/4 sec., so I changed it to

4/2.

jafa

Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >> Sorry, yes the

weights and I lift at about 4 sec up and down. It's too

hard for me to go slower than that. <<

Lift as heavy a weight as you can without losing form, the heaviest weight

you can lift slowly and smoothly through the complete range of motion, even

if you can only lift it once or twice per set without losing control of your

form, very, very slowly being the key. Four seconds is just not going to cut

it. Having to lift faster/being unable to lift slower means you are using

momentum instead of your muscles, and that isn't going to get you anywhere.

If you aren't using your muscles, you aren't making them stronger, it's that

simple.

Christie

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March 22, 2006

>> I understand what you are saying here, but it is just too difficult and

tedious for me to lift a weight that is heavy, that slowly. <<

Well, you should do what you want, I'm just saying... that's how you build

muscle.

Christie

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March 22, 2006

Quoting cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...>:

> > >> I understand what you are saying here, but it is just too

> difficult and

> > tedious for me to lift a weight that is heavy, that slowly. <<

> >

> > Well, you should do what you want, I'm just saying... that's how you

> build

> > muscle.

>

> I think the " tedious " part is an important clue.

> Yes you have to continually add resistance to build muscle,

> but there are must be a zillion protocols for that and the slow pacing

> of a rep is just one. It's hard enough to find and keep an exercise

> routine. I wouldn't pick one I found tedious!

Agreed. Lifting at an exaggeratedly slow muscle may be *a* way to build

muscle, but it's not *the* way. In fact, if you poke around on the

Internet, it's not hard to find people complaining of losing muscle mass on

the SuperSlow protocol and then regaining it when they switched back.

--

Berg

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March 22, 2006

>> Yes you have to continually add resistance to build muscle,

but there are must be a zillion protocols for that and the slow pacing

of a rep is just one. <<

I wasn't talking about the slow pacing. Because this conversation has been

extremely fragmented, I think my point might have been lost.

ALL I'm saying is that if you want to make your muscles stronger, you have

to increase resistance... or as I said in the context of lifting weights,

lift heavier ones.

I'm not " in love " with super slow weight lifting, in fact, I don't do it. I

think it's fine, but it's not what I'm advocating.

My suggestion of slowing down was to avoid the loss of resistance that comes

from using momentum to move the weight, and to enable her to do FEWER reps

with heavier weights. If someone doesn't like lifting weights, but is doing

it anyway, it seems to me that a program that enables you to get more

benefit in a fraction of the time might be a good idea.

All that said, I couldn't agree more that no one should do a physical

activity they dislike. My comments were soley intended to be a suggestion on

how someone could use weight lifting to increase their muscle tissue. And

what I said, I stand by: You gotta lift heavier.

HOW you can lift heavier is a separate discussion, and my input on that so

far was to lift the heaviest weight you can lift slowly and smoothly, with

good form, just a few times - I usually do three sets of somewhere from

8-5-3 to 6-4-2, depending on how I feel that day and if I've recently

increased my weight. I see women at the gym all the time whipping little two

pound weights up and down for three sets of 12. They have stringbean arms,

too. Why are they even bothering? I'm just saying.... <G>

Christie

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March 23, 2006

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of cbrown2008

>

>> I said, I stand by: You gotta lift heavier.

>>

>> Why are they even bothering? I'm just saying.... <G>

>>

>> Christie

>

>Duly noted, Christie. I must have had a button pushed or something

>about the word " tedious. " Thanks for 'splaining.

>

>Totally agree on lifting heavy. On the fun factor, I'd put in a plug

>for the heavy weights that take advantage of momentum instead of

>discouraging its use. Kettlebells and clubbells. Controlling the weight

>plus controlling acceleration is a blast and you can build muscle that

>way too. I didn't realize until I made the switch, how much

>difference " things that swing " made in my enjoyment.

I couldn't agree more on the fun factor in swinging kettlebells! The

kettlebell swing has become my all time favorite weight training movement.

And I've found kettlebells in general to be 10x more fun than other types of

weightlifting I did in the past. The movements feel much more natural and

intuitive to me. Very addictive.

Suze Fisher

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March 24, 2006

On 3/23/06, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> Totally agree on lifting heavy. On the fun factor, I'd put in a plug

> for the heavy weights that take advantage of momentum instead of

> discouraging its use. Kettlebells and clubbells.

Well don't forget Olympic Lifting, which I have plugged numerous times

on this list. Although today the competitive Olympic Lifts have been

reduced to the Clean and Jerk and the Snatch, years ago there were

many many lifts that made up Olympic Lifting. I found a site a couple

of months back showing many of these old lifts (which are still done

at a club level in some parts of the country) and one can see where

all the kettlebell movements came from.

Kettlebells make those lifts much more accessible to the average

person because while there is technique involved, the learning curve

is not nearly as steep.

>Controlling the weight

> plus controlling acceleration is a blast and you can build muscle that

> way too.

Hey that is an understatement. Here is a little ditty:

Weightlifting is a sport in which the strongest and most powerful men

and women in the world - bar none (as well as some of the world's

fastest and most flexible men and women) compete. Many people who are

unfamiliar with the sport are surprised to learn that Weightlifters

don't necessarily have the biggest muscles in the world. In fact, some

could easily be mistaken for well conditioned athletes who compete in

other sports. Weightlifters simply have the strongest and most

powerful muscles in the world, developed by hard and very specialized

training that develops enormous strength without the " bulk " that

bodybuilders, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, possess. Bodybuilders are

dedicated athletes and many are quite strong, but they are not as

strong as the best weightlifters and their muscles needn't be strong

because they compete solely on the basis of the appearance of their

muscles, not their strength (muscle size and strength are not highly

correlated).

http://www.wlinfo.com/what_is_olympic.htm

> I didn't realize until I made the switch, how much

> difference " things that swing " made in my enjoyment.

>

> Connie

Very fun. I have only done the kettlebells a couple of times and I

enjoyed them. I see them as something I can do at home in addition to

Olympic Lifting which generally can only be done in a gym with bumpers

and a good platform.

But for sheer cosmetic purposes, i.e. bodyshaping, nothing compares to

" bodybuilding, " as I am reminded of everytime I look at my chest, LOL!

--

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that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live –

opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any

purpose. "

The late Harry Browne

March 25, 2006

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of cbrown2008

>

>> I couldn't agree more on the fun factor

>> in swinging kettlebells! The

>> kettlebell swing has become my all

>> time favorite weight training movement.

>> And I've found kettlebells in general

>> to be 10x more fun than other types of

>> weightlifting I did in the past.

>> The movements feel much more natural and

>> intuitive to me. Very addictive.

>>

>> Suze Fisher

>

>Hey Suze have you tried a heavy CB?

No! I didn't even know what it was until I asked my kettlebell training

after reading it in your email.

WEight even farther out from a

>more challenging grip means even more wild and primitive gonzo fun that

>makes you feel like Queen Boadicea. Grrrrls rule!

LOL! You mean there's a type of weight training that's even *more* primitive

gonzo fun than kettlebells???

Suze Fisher

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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----------------------------

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>

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