Re: Re: Exercise Program-Matt Furey

March 14, 2006

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From: jafa <jafasum@...>

> Hi

>

> Is anyone familiar with his program? He basically states that weight

lifting

> is harmful and one should be doing exercises using one's own body weight. He

> is martial arts trained. He also recommends sprints, instead of jogging, as

he

> says it increases metabolism better. He also has an interesting way of

> tightening the abdominals -mainly by breathing and isometrics. His methods

> are so contrary to the norm that I thought I would ask here if anyone has

tried

> his techniques.

>

> It is very male based, but it is his orientation.

>

> jafa

>

My impression is that he is generally viewed as a huckster, and that many of the

exercise techniques and routines that he sells for lots of $ can be found for

free. He apparently was heavily into training with weights until he realized

that he could make money by promoting a program built upon mostly body weight

exercises.

As far as sprints being better than jogging - I think that it is becoming more

accepted that interval type training is better for a variety of reasons than

aerobic training (or at least exclusively aerobic training), and is more

efficient for weight loss and overall conditioning. You might do a search on

'Tabata' for instance.

March 14, 2006

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From: " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@...>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Is anyone familiar with his program? He basically states that

> weight lifting is harmful and one should be doing exercises using

> one's own body weight. He is martial arts trained. He also

> recommends sprints, instead of jogging, as he says it increases

> metabolism better. He also has an interesting way of tightening the

> abdominals -mainly by breathing and isometrics. His methods are so

> contrary to the norm that I thought I would ask here if anyone has

> tried his techniques.

> >

> > It is very male based, but it is his orientation.

> >

> > jafa

>

> I've never heard of it, but it definitely does sound based on the

> Martial Arts. I am learning both traditional Kung Fu and Tai Chi

> Chuan, and neither reccomend touching weights, and both think it does

> more harm than good! It has something to do with functional

> muscles...and reps of weights inhibits flexibility and builds up

> muscles differently than just using more natural movements and your

> own body weight.

>

> They both also emphasize abdominal breathing as well.

>

> Another important point is not exercising till you are gasping for

> breath. You should breath slow and focused throughout the entire

> exercise, and if you run out of breath that means your lungs have lost

> all there lung chi and thats not a good thing. Heavy exercise brings

> up toxins as well as creating metabolic toxins so one should

> definitely not overdo it or they risk not benefitting much at all due

> to overexerting the organs.

>

> It is against the mainstream of most exercise programs in a lot of

> ways, but so is Nourishing Traditions, so who will you believe?

>

> -

In this case, weight lifting done properly and doing intensive interval

training. I'll order my lung chi at the Chinese restaurant, thank you.

March 14, 2006

You might want to look at his website. It is interesting, but quite heavy on

the promo, though.

www.mattfurey.com

Anyone out there tried the ab exercises?? or some of the other things he

recommends?

Of course he only gives success stories. Even though he talks of getting

hurt from lifting weights, etc., he doesn't mention how one can also get hurt

from doing the type of exercises he recommends. In fact I pulled a muscle in

my neck from a yoga type exercise that was more severe than any I've gotten

from lifting weights. But, I do understand his message of the weights being

hard on the joints and spine.

jafa

gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote: --- In

, jafa <jafas

I've never heard of it, but it definitely does sound based on the

Martial Arts. I am learning both traditional Kung Fu and Tai Chi

Chuan, and neither reccomend touching weights, and both think it does

more harm than good! It has something to do with functional

muscles...and reps of weights inhibits flexibility and builds up

muscles differently than just using more natural movements and your

own body weight.

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March 14, 2006

Connie,

Thanks for the information. I actually like doing the weights I do. It is

uncomplicated and it feels good to do. I lift about 75% of capacity, so I'm

not overdoing it, and only do one set to almost failure.

I also like the idea of doing sprints, instead of jogging. Less wear on the

joints, gets your heart going and can do in less time.

I'm mainly interested in his ab workout, cause crunches and weights have done

nothing for my stomach after having 3 kids. Guess I'm looking for mainly

appearance.

jafa

cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > > Is anyone familiar with

his program? He basically states that

> weight lifting is harmful and one should be doing exercises using

> one's own body weight. He is martial arts trained. He also

> recommends sprints, instead of jogging, as he says it increases

> metabolism better. He also has an interesting way of tightening the

> abdominals -mainly by breathing and isometrics. His methods are so

> contrary to the norm that I thought I would ask here if anyone has

> tried his techniques.

> >

> > It is very male based, but it is his orientation.

> >

> > jafa

I honestly haven't read Furey's material but it all depends on what you

want to be strong FOR. The central nervous system only recognizes

resistance, not where the resistance is coming from. could be

bodyweight/gravity, could be an object.

Martial artists for thousands of years have trained with implements for

resistance. It just depends on what strength you want at what ranges of

motion. Also, training for an MA sport is not automatically equal to

training for health or another sport either.

I've heard in more than one place about abdominal strengthening being

more than crunches. There are all kinds of muscles and all kinds of

ways you can train them to " fire. " I bet Furey is responding to the

kind of ab training that gives you cosmetic results in the mirror - the

top muscles - but doesn't do anything about your ability to twist, pull

and push your trunk relative to your legs.

Much better material at Sonnon's RMAX site IMHO if you're interested in

fancy conditioning.

Connie

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March 14, 2006

Well I'm a physical therapist and I have been

excersing for almost 25 years. I've tried many

different programs out there. WHat I understand is

that different excersice programs work for different

people @ different times in their lives. Depending on

body type, blood type, stress, time available, likes

and dislikes, ect.

The best advice I have every read is that consisitant

enjoyable excersice is the way to go. Variety is even

better.

TT PT

--- jafa <jafasum@...> wrote:

> Hi

>

> Is anyone familiar with his program? He basically

> states that weight lifting is harmful and one

> should be doing exercises using one's own body

> weight. He is martial arts trained. He also

> recommends sprints, instead of jogging, as he says

> it increases metabolism better. He also has an

> interesting way of tightening the abdominals

> -mainly by breathing and isometrics. His methods

> are so contrary to the norm that I thought I would

> ask here if anyone has tried his techniques.

>

> It is very male based, but it is his orientation.

>

> jafa

>

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March 14, 2006

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From: " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

> > Connie,

> >

> > Thanks for the information. I actually like doing the weights I

> do. It is uncomplicated and it feels good to do. I lift about 75% of

> capacity, so I'm not overdoing it, and only do one set to almost

> failure.

> > jafa

>

> Oh man in that case check out Tapp's bodyweight programs. The

> best for health and tightening up and very woman-knowledgable. She also

> has quite a few free " try before you buy " routines. I would go for T-

> Tapp over Furey in a heartbeat. Hers also get your heart rate up. She

> really has our number in terms of what women want for the bother of

> working out.

>

> Connie

Why, in the context of health, should women want anything different than men

'for the bother of working out'?

March 15, 2006

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From: " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

> > Why, in the context of health, should women want anything different

> than men 'for the bother of working out'?

>

> I wouldn't presume to " should " on women, myself. Do you think women and

> men have the same culture around health and working out?

>

> Connie

>

I'm not sure what culture should have to do with it. Either your talking about

cosmetics (bodybuilding, toning) or you're talking about health. If the latter,

I don't see why it should be a male/female issue.

March 15, 2006

>> I'm mainly interested in his ab workout, cause crunches and weights

have done nothing for my stomach after having 3 kids. Guess I'm looking

for mainly appearance. <<

Remember, though, that there is no such thing as " spot reducing " ... you

can't burn fat in the belly by building up your abdominal muscles. Fat tends

to leave our bodies in the order it went on, which is controlled not by what

exercises you do but by genetics and, IMO, hormones.

Building up muscle in your body will burn fat, but WHERE that fat is burned

off from you can't control.

So if your problem with your stomach is fat, exercising your abs, while

definitely beneficial to you in many ways, won't necessarily do a darn thing

to improve your appearance in that area. Nothing will, although of course,

once the fat is gone, the nice abdominal muscles will show. <G>

I have lost over 150 pounds now, and one day caught sight of myself in the

mirror as I was lifting my arms to put a shirt on. I saw this weird ridge on

my abdomen and I kind of freaked out wondering what the heck it could be. It

took me a few minutes to realize it was the top row of my abdominal muscles,

which I had never seen before. Amazing.

And since I haven't posted in a while and whenever I mention my weight loss

everyone always asks: NT version of Atkins plus weight lifting is how I did

it.

Christie

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March 15, 2006

Quoting Christie <christiekeith@...>:

> >> I'm mainly interested in his ab workout, cause crunches and weights

> have done nothing for my stomach after having 3 kids. Guess I'm looking

> for mainly appearance. <<

>

> Remember, though, that there is no such thing as " spot reducing " ... you

> can't burn fat in the belly by building up your abdominal muscles. Fat

> tends

> to leave our bodies in the order it went on, which is controlled not by

> what

> exercises you do but by genetics and, IMO, hormones.

Right. The only thing ab exercises will do is make your abdominal muscles

stronger, and maybe a bit bigger.

That said, insofar as exercise influences hormones and hormones influence

fat distribution, exercise can influence fat distribution. For example,

people with insulin resistance tend to store more of their fat in the

abdominal area. But, as Christie says, it's not as simple as the " spot

reducing " myth suggests. Muscles don't just burn the fat that covers them.

--

Berg

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March 15, 2006

Christie,

Thanks for the reply.

Doesn't sound too promising for my stomach, as I am very thin, with a beer

belly type stomach-and I don't drink alcohol. Aerobics hasn't helped my

stomach, either. Just looking into another approach!

jafa

Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote: >>