Re: Re: blood pressure rising

[Guest guest]

vanadium at what dosage?

I knowmany that have had minor if any drop in BS from vanadium /chromium

supplements.

what can they do?

Re: blood pressure rising

Here's some good news: Though almost no one know this, over time,

very high quality gymnemma will increase beta cell count; thus

decrying the whole genetic argument. Vanadium ,especially in

concert w/chromium, is known as the natural alternative to insulin.

To this day, and I mean that literally, I am constantly trying

teaching patients of the whole cholesterol myth. It's very, very

tiring.

-- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

wrote:

>

> I have not had my blood pressure go up with eating this way, but my

> cholesterol has, to 273. I don't care, I read The Cholesterol

Myths

> and agree that, especially for women, cholesterol numbers are

nothing

> to get upset about, but I can't get my doctor to agree -- she got

in

> my face and used all kinds of scare tactics to get me to take

Crestor.

> Despite the fact that heart disease does not run in my family and

> cancer does. She sees that I am over 50 and have diabetes so says

I

> should be on a statin no matter what my cholesterol is. I guess I

> need a new doctor (again!) since all this arguing no doubt WILL

make

> my blood pressure rise as well ... but every M.D. I've seen seems

> convinced statins are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and

won't

> listen to any other opinion. I'd just see a naturopath, but they

> can't prescribe the insulin I need.

>

> Ann

>

>

> > >

> > > Went to the doc today to follow up on a previous visit. I

noticed,

> > the last

> > > couple times my blood pressure has been measured it seems a

lot

> > higher than

> > > it used to be, especially since I started eating WAPF

inclined. It

> > isn't

> > > high but it is quite a bit higher than it used to be. Anyone

else

> > experience

> > > this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lisa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Actually I am quite far from concerned, more just curious if others

experienced the same thing. Mine was actually usually on the low side to the

point when I had surgery they had to watch really carefully for it to drop

too low. It has been this same number(s) for the last three times my bp has

been taken over the last 3 months.

Thanks for the idea though.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of docscotte

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: blood pressure rising

Before you even consider this an issue to be concerned over, take

the logical steps:

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[Guest guest]

Then I would say that maybe your blood pressure is improving.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of zanyzingzap

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:05 PM

Subject: RE: Re: blood pressure rising

Actually I am quite far from concerned, more just curious if others

experienced the same thing. Mine was actually usually on the low side to the

point when I had surgery they had to watch really carefully for it to drop

too low. It has been this same number(s) for the last three times my bp has

been taken over the last 3 months.

Thanks for the idea though.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of docscotte

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: blood pressure rising

Before you even consider this an issue to be concerned over, take

the logical steps:

_____

[Guest guest]

What is beta cell count? I have enlarged blood cells since chemo. I

take B12 and Zinc. I don't know why they are enlarged; whether because

I'm not making enough blood or they are not maturing or what.

I am very tired.

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, docscotte wrote:

> Here's some good news: Though almost no one know this, over time,

> very high quality gymnemma will increase beta cell count; thus

> decrying the whole genetic argument. Vanadium ,especially in

> concert w/chromium, is known as the natural alternative to insulin.

> To this day, and I mean that literally, I am constantly trying

> teaching patients of the whole cholesterol myth. It's very, very

> tiring.

>

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

Ann,

Not but gymnema sylvestra is an herb used in India for diabetes. Never

had seen before that it increased beta cells.

Recently ran across this study on N-acetylcysteine protecting pancreatic beta

cells against alloxan induced diabetes in mice

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/13/13/1845

Alloxan in white flour

http://www.geocities.com/missionstmichael/Alloxan.html

Wanita

annbekins <annbekins@...> wrote:

What is gymnemma? Where can one get it?

That's good to know about vanadium as well as chromium. I read that

vanadium is in good unprocessed olive oil, and just yesterday I

received my order of REALLY unprocessed olive oil from RAdiance. Plus

some brewer's yeast for the chromium. I can tell that eating WAP has

decreased my insulin resistance. Any processed vegetable oils

combined with even a little carbohydrate can make my blood sugars go

up and stay there for hours, but small amounts of whole carbs with

healthy fats don't -- I can get my blood sugar back down to about 100

in a couple of hours then, with much less insulin. For example, a six

ounce organic potato with raw sour cream and butter will take about 15

units of insulin to cover, and my blood sugar will be back to 100 in

about two hours. Six ounces of Lay's potato chips will make my blood

sugar go over 250 and take up to 50 units of insulin, in two or three

injections over the next 4 to 6 hours to get it back down.

I just got some butter oil too, so I'm going to see how that does

combined with the cod liver oil. Even if all this does not heal

diabetes, I am certain it will help my body avoid complications. So

far so good -- no complications after 13 years.

Yes, I've tried to convince my family that their moderately high

cholesterol is nothing to worry about, but it falls on deaf ears. My

father's cholesterol is low, about 180 without medication, but because

he is diabetic also, they have him on a statin anyway! And he has

esophageal cancer now, stage 4. Makes you wonder.

Ann

> > > >

> > > > Went to the doc today to follow up on a previous visit. I

> noticed,

> > > the last

> > > > couple times my blood pressure has been measured it seems a

> lot

> > > higher than

> > > > it used to be, especially since I started eating WAPF

> inclined. It

> > > isn't

> > > > high but it is quite a bit higher than it used to be. Anyone

> else

> > > experience

> > > > this?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lisa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

well how about a " guess " for a starting point on dosage amounts?

:-))

Re: blood pressure rising

Again, this gets into the entire field of Functional Applied

Nutrition - of which most almost no nutritionists, and certainly all

Dietician's, know nothinng.

Supplementation si tricky business. You need to understand the

different molecular forms of the substances; dissolution ability,

and what not; one needs to know the proper gross amount to take;

one needs to know the ability of the person to absorb - getting into

the whole gut health issue - a 'lecture' in it's own right; then

there is the age of the person, or rather the general neurologic

status. Why do I say this? The more functionally impaired the N.

System is, the greater the challenge it is for it to undersyand what

you are introducing into the body. This may be the greatest reason

why so many people say that substance X doesn't help them, they

tried it. The % of functionally impaired humanoids is astonishing.

Next, and not last, is dehydration. Wow!! What a can of worms

that is.

So why do so many people actually get better by so many

different, and, albeit, inferior products? That is what all should

be asking temselve. Simple answer. People are so massively

malnourished, that any molecule even remotely resembling a food

based nutrient - will help most.

Thank you Ray Kroc!

> > > >

> > > > Went to the doc today to follow up on a previous visit. I

> noticed,

> > > the last

> > > > couple times my blood pressure has been measured it seems

a

> lot

> > > higher than

> > > > it used to be, especially since I started eating WAPF

> inclined. It

> > > isn't

> > > > high but it is quite a bit higher than it used to be.

Anyone

> else

> > > experience

> > > > this?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lisa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

ha-ha, ok its out its really for me... (well not really , but I'll play along,

what's the dif?)

vanadyl sulfate 7.5 mg, suggested use 1 tablet daily,

ingredients -vanadium1.4 mg , steric acid, magnesium stearate, silica. Cant

find chromium bottle since he chucked them after no results after a month.

subject drinks maybe a 2 cokes a month, 6 servings of pasta or rice per month, 4

sandwiches a month. Rest is meat or chicken or fish, salads and veggies.

maybe 6 servigs of fruit a month.

1/2 gallon of milk per day. 3 quarts of bottled water per day. He is constantly

urinating.

Hasnt had any other BS after 2 mo of trying things with no tangible results. He

is kind of resolute.

Re: blood pressure rising

Since this depends entirely on what form you are using, here's the

dealio:

tell me the forms of the vanadium and/or Cr, who it's for (Im

guessing you), and I'll be thrilled to recc. the info. you seek ( I

sound like the bridgetender at the end of Python's Holy Grail).

SCott

> > > > >

> > > > > Went to the doc today to follow up on a previous

visit. I

> > noticed,

> > > > the last

> > > > > couple times my blood pressure has been measured it

seems

> a

> > lot

> > > > higher than

> > > > > it used to be, especially since I started eating WAPF

> > inclined. It

> > > > isn't

> > > > > high but it is quite a bit higher than it used to be.

> Anyone

> > else

> > > > experience

> > > > > this?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lisa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >