Re: Oil of Oregano and Food Chemical Intolerances

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I have my husband and Oil of Oregano right now to clear up some issues with

his teeth. What liver-boosting herbs should I have him on, as well?

We don't drink alcohol...so we wouldn't notice that effect....

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Mrs. Bernstein,

> I have my husband and Oil of Oregano right now to clear up some issues with >

his teeth. What liver-boosting herbs should I have him on, as well?

I'm not positive -- milk thistle is often recommended.

Chris

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Emma,

I thought you used no medicine or supplements at all. Do you recommend milk

thistle to " weak " persons like me and failsafe eaters?

What other non-food aids do you use if it is not too indiscreet?

Cordialement

Taty Lauwers

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Re: Oil of Oregano and Food Chemical Intolerances

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>> Mrs. Bernstein,

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>> > I have my husband and Oil of Oregano right now to clear up some

> issues with > his teeth. What liver-boosting herbs should I have him

> on, as well?

>>

>> I'm not positive -- milk thistle is often recommended.

>

>

> Yes, I agree. Even I take milk thistle and see a positive result,

> though I can't vouch for all brands. It supports glutathione

> production and glucuronidation and also protects liver cells from

> damaging toxins.

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[Guest guest]

Dandelion root tea is supposed to be liver boosting, as is any part

of the plant, but you can buy the tea in health food stores. I like

it. Milk thistle extract has wonderful properties attributed to it -

it can acutally cause damaged liver cells to regenerate and helps

get toxins out of the liver. I gave some to my parakeet with fatty

liver disease, but it died anyways, but did live a few weeks longer

than I expected it to. Maybe the poor thing was too far gone! I

have heard of other birds with fatty liver disease and damage from

aflatoxin being cured from milk thistle being put in their food.

>

> Mrs. Bernstein,

>

> > I have my husband and Oil of Oregano right now to clear up some

issues with > his teeth. What liver-boosting herbs should I have

him on, as well?

>

> I'm not positive -- milk thistle is often recommended.

>

> Chris

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>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In retrospect, I think that I probably did serious damage to my

liver

> with natural anti-fungals and that this is part of the reason for

> current food chemical sensitivities.

>

> Chris

>

-- Hi

I haven't posted for some time...but am here ALL the time!

You say you think you did some damage to your liver w/ anti-

fungals...I have been very into Doug Kaufmans show " Know the Cause "

and I tape all of them. I have bought a few of his books and " was "

all

ready to take all the anit-fungals that he and Cass Ingram talk

about...(I just love that show!) But you've got me nervous now.

I don't recall anyone talking much about Doug around here, I

think

he is so easy to understand and I'm planning on giving these tapes

to

friends and family. What's everyones opinion of him? Hve you seen

his

show? He's really seems to be on the same page as us here.

I have many symptoms of fungus overgrowth and I feel probably

candida issues also. I've partied a little too much over the years,

and I am a little concerned about the state of my liver. I am

planning

to do a few cleanses ( I have the " Oxy-Powder " and the whole

cleansing

kit from global healing center...the colon,liver,gallbladder,and

parasite....and also have the Sonnes #7 & 9 if I want to do that)

then

go on to do Doug's anti-fungal program and phase 1 diet.

Am I on the right or wrong track here? Any suggestions for me? I

think I do most things " right " (kefir, CO, VCO, grass-fed proteins,

saurekraut, etc...) but don't feel right, no energy, aches, itchy

all

over, brain fog. I'm ready to get on track, get serious, and feel

better.

Thanks for any suggestions! Bye for now...

Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

I'm finding your posts interesting. Please keep posting. I think most of us

realize you are speaking to a specific audience.

I have taken milk thistle in the past. When I was at the HFS, the salesperson

recommended taking milk thistle seed extract. He said it is better absorbed and

stronger. He recommeded Silymarin by Jarrow Formulas - it is 80% standardized

milk thristle seed extract at 30:1.

Also, I have read that you only supposed to take it for short periods of time to

help the liver. Do you take it all the time? If yes, are there any problems

with doing so?

Any comments on this?

jafa

Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

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>

Yes, I agree. Even I take milk thistle and see a positive result,

though I can't vouch for all brands. It supports glutathione

production and glucuronidation and also protects liver cells from

damaging toxins.

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Jafa,

> You say you think you did some damage to your liver w/ anti-

> fungals...I have been very into Doug Kaufmans show " Know the Cause "

> and I tape all of them. I have bought a few of his books and " was "

> all

> ready to take all the anit-fungals that he and Cass Ingram talk

> about...(I just love that show!) But you've got me nervous now.

My opinion would be this: If you take anti-fungals, maximize the other

aspects of an anti-fungal program that do not involve intake of toxic

chemcials. For example, eliminate any foods that feed fungi,

including all carbs except maybe low-carb vegetables, make liberal use

of coconut oil, which is a non-toxic antifungal, and add supplemental

carpylic acid and maybe undecylenic acid (more anti-fungal fatty

acids). Try anti-candida enzymes such as Candex, which are non-toxic.

Put a greater focus on restoring bowel ecology through probiotics and

prebiotics than on killing the fungus, because doing so is non-toxic.

Consider experimenting with long-chain inulin (not FOS), which many

people have great results with but be cautious that some people have

(as with anything) reported adverse results.

Keeping all these things in mind, use a swift, strong and judicious

period of anti-fungal drugs (such as oil of oregano) to assist these

other methods but not to replace them, and make sure you take milk

thistle at least for liver support when you do. Use the dosage on the

label and don't go crazy with them.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Just read mixing salt with lactofermented foods creates sodium

lacatate, which is patented and strongly anti-fungal, good for

candida. I guess salty ferments like kimchi and sauerkraut might

already have it. Cool, huh?

[Guest guest]

On 10/23/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> Just read mixing salt with lactofermented foods creates sodium

> lacatate, which is patented and strongly anti-fungal, good for

> candida. I guess salty ferments like kimchi and sauerkraut might

> already have it. Cool, huh?

In any sodium " compound " the sodium's function is basically to

electrically neutralize the solution. If you take sodium lactate, you

are just getting free sodium and free lactate.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

What's your point? Are you refuting that sodium lactate is good for

fighting fungal infections or candida? Or just adding information?

I find it interesting that our European ancestors consumed good

quantities of foods that contain sodium lactate throughout the

winter, providing themselves with all kinds of natural medicines to

fight fungal infections and candida, which we are not doing so well

against. Perhaps it's a flaw in our European stock that we are

prone to these things, but our ancestors knew how to deal with them?

> > Just read mixing salt with lactofermented foods creates sodium

> > lacatate, which is patented and strongly anti-fungal, good for

> > candida. I guess salty ferments like kimchi and sauerkraut might

> > already have it. Cool, huh?

>

> In any sodium " compound " the sodium's function is basically to

> electrically neutralize the solution. If you take sodium lactate,

you

> are just getting free sodium and free lactate.

>

> Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 10/24/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> What's your point? Are you refuting that sodium lactate is good for

> fighting fungal infections or candida? Or just adding information?

> I find it interesting that our European ancestors consumed good

> quantities of foods that contain sodium lactate throughout the

> winter, providing themselves with all kinds of natural medicines to

> fight fungal infections and candida, which we are not doing so well

> against. Perhaps it's a flaw in our European stock that we are

> prone to these things, but our ancestors knew how to deal with them?

My point is that the sodium isn't really functional. I think it would

be the lactate itself that would be operative. Maybe I'm wrong?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Hi Emma

On a side track, would you please answer another private question? I am more

and more looking into " metabolic types " (not the Wollcott way, I am looking

for a method that people can use by themselves, no money involved). What is

your blood type and what is your ayurveda diet type if you know it? Do you

by any chance know your " diathesis " in homeopathy? If you are an O,

originally a diathesis 1, and in excess of " Vata " in ayurveda, it would

explain a lot in your instinctual requirements for food. I scanned the tests

for ayurveda metabolic type in French from Deepak Chopra's book (Perfect

Health). I could send them private to you.

Cordialement

Taty Lauwers

taty@...

www.taty.be/nouveau.htm

Re: Oil of Oregano and Food Chemical Intolerances

> I thought you used no medicine or supplements at all.

Hi Taty, I don't take many at all.

I used to think all ill health was caused by nutritional deficiencies

because I knew my problems were connected to diet. I used to be a very

big user of vitamins and felt I could not cope without them. I got

addicted to pantothenic acid. I spent probably £3000 on vitamins over

a couple of years and tried just about every combination of

everything, even really obscure things. Often after an initial rush of

feeling better for a week or two, I would feel worse if I took them

long term. I still have the same problem with them. I don't even take

an RDA multivitamin anymore, because I know for sure that the folic

acid makes me feel worse by increasing histamine production. Thiamin

makes me feel worse by acting as an MAOI, it actually gives me

headaches. For every effect you know they are having on your body,

there are probably ten other effects you don't know about. You just

don't know what other cofactors they are using up that you need, even

when you take everything into account that you know.

Do you recommend milk

> thistle to " weak " persons like me and failsafe eaters?

I would say yes, but very, very cautiously. I can't vouch for the

purity of all brands or that it will have a positive effect on everyone.

Do a single supplement trial of it and see how you feel. I've found

the effect is subtle but positive, though I'm concerned about using it

long-term. It won't stop you having reactions, but it will damp them

down a bit.

> What other non-food aids do you use if it is not too indiscreet?

These are the only things I take:

1/2 tsp epsom salts

1 tsp bicarb soda

normal milk thistle dosage

- not every day, just when I feel like I'm reacting

magnesium citrate (200mg magnesium)

calcium citrate (500mg calcium)

100-200mcg molybdenum

Occasionally I will take a bit of ascorbic acid if I feel run down,

but not often. I haven't developed scurvy or even bleeding gums yet.

I'm currently doing a trial of 2000i.u. of isolated vitamin D from

fish oils. I used to take very large therapeutic doses of fish oils

(e.g. vitamin A 80-100,000i.u.) for days at a time and they made me

feel good, but if I continued them for too long, I would feel worse

again. Since food intolerance seems to be connected in some way to

vitamin D, I wondered whether I was getting too much vitamin A when I

took fish oils and this is why the positive effect didn't last. I'm

feeling worse again at the moment and have been cheating too much, so

I will need to do the trial again a couple of times, then try vitamin

A too before I can come to any conclusion about that.

I think not taking vitamins has actually given me more awareness and

instinct with foods. There are foods that I really seem to " need " . I

can't go too long without eating red meat or I crave it. I really

don't know how I coped when I was vegetarian. I MUST eat eggs and

butter. I feel like I need some wheat germ and Brussels sprouts every

few days. Sometimes I crave chicken liver and shellfish like muscles

and oysters, so I'll eat them if I feel like I want them. I feel

better when I drink milk too, but not too much, or I find it is

addictive. Sometimes dairy is the only thing that can stop me eating.

I seem to have a huge calcium need, so I don't think it's purely an

" intolerance " craving reaction. I tried going paleo once, just

replacing cheese for nuts, and I spent the whole time feeling starving

hungry in spite of eating more. I blamed it on a lack of fat. I think

also in retrospect a lack of calcium.

[Guest guest]

Emma,

> I used to take very large therapeutic doses of fish oils

> (e.g. vitamin A 80-100,000i.u.) for days at a time and they made me

> feel good, but if I continued them for too long, I would feel worse

> again. Since food intolerance seems to be connected in some way to

> vitamin D, I wondered whether I was getting too much vitamin A when I

> took fish oils and this is why the positive effect didn't last.

One of the most important things for tolerance to food antigens is

arachidonic acid, and with that much cod liver oil you'd be

undermining your arachidonic acid and probably flattening your

intestinal villi -- something I was made aware of last night. That

might not apply to food *chemical* intolerances though.

Nevertheless, I propose that that much cod liver oil might make

anyone's health suffer due to the high content of EPA.

Unconventional, I know, but who is eating the what -- brains -- that

one would have to eat to maintain sufficient arachidonic acid in the

face of that much EPA?

Just a thought.

Chris

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Emma,

> They were extracts - that is, capsules containing high amounts of the

> vitamins plus small amounts of the oil. I tried taking whole fish

> oils, but I wanted to throw up.

Oh. That makes it less likely, but definitely doesn't rule it out.

Arachidonic acid intakes are very low, so I think 8 or 10 of those

tiny little capsules (I think I know the one's you are talking about

or have seen something similar) probably have enough EPA in them to

disturb the balance for some people. But it could be the A or D too.

Lethargy is a sign of vitamin D toxicity. Did you feel weak or

lethargic?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 11/28/06, Emma wrote:

>

>

> I used to experience lethargy and weakness after being out in the

> sunlight for several hours, but haven't had that problem this year.

> Perhaps because I've been making an effort to get enough calcium in

> the right form.

>

That's interesting as I got tired after laying in the sun this past

summer, and so didn't do it as much as I know I should have for D. I

thought I'd be energized, but it was the opposite. How are you

getting calcium?

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Emma,

> Sorry I forgot to respond to this old post. I have had it and a few

> others flagged for ages but never found the time.

No problem.

> I used to experience lethargy and weakness after being out in the

> sunlight for several hours, but haven't had that problem this year.

> Perhaps because I've been making an effort to get enough calcium in

> the right form.

I guess there is no definitive proof on what mediates vitamin

D-induced lethargy, but I find it likely that it is probably an

induced vitamin K2 deficiency. I'm not sure when you were on

Warfarin, but you may have been more vulnerable to this effect for a

period of time under that influence, and your intake of K2 might be

higher due to intake of egg and butterfat. I believe vitamin A would

carry out a net vitamin K-sparing effect, so if you were less

vulnerable to this effect with the A/D caps than with sun, it would be

consistent with the K2 hypothesis. It's also possible, though less

certain, that this effect would explain why the benefit wore off from

the supplement over several weeks.

Chris

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