Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I've been reading the blog of a guy who hawks fish oil (www.drdavesbest.com). Here's a quote from a recent blog: " There is no reason to take Cod liver oil unless you live in Antarctica and you can get too much Vitamin D from it as well as toxins as it is not purified in most cases " Any comments on this? Here's another from the same blog: " The jury is still out on coconut oil but as of this writing it's still used primarily to make lab rats fat. " I understand from reading Enig and Sally Fallon that there is plenty of evidence supporting the use of coconut oil but this guy says there isn't. Personally, I use cod liver oil (2 tsp./ day) and coconut oil. Most recently I bought both from Wilderness Family Naturals. This is the first I've purchased from them. If anyone has any experience with their products, are they any good? And fish oil? Is it worth taking? I know Dr. Dave sells it for a living so he understandingly is going to support it's use but would adding some fish oil to my regimen be worth it? Anybody out there know anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I think it was discussed/concluded on this list, not that long ago, that CLO should be used in the winter, when natural Vitamin D is in short supply due to the winter sun, and fish liver oil should be used in summer, when it's easier for us to get sun exposure. Check onibasu.com for the details. I recently ran across an interesting WAPF article regarding the toxin angle: " However, during my studies, I talked to two fish oil scientists and one marine biologist who questioned the necessity for ultra-clean oils. They did not want to go on record but this is what they said in a nut shell: There have been metals,dioxins and PCBs in fish livers and our environment since the beginning of time. And while there may be a difference between man-made contaminants and naturally occurring contaminants, there are just as many or more contaminants in tomatoes and strawberries than in most fish oils. Left unsaid was the fact that vitamin A in cod liver oil protects against dioxins and pesticides (see page 32). Much of this protective nutrient is removed in the process of making the oil ultra-clean. They also believed that concerns for mercury content in cod liver oil were misplaced, explaining that mercury has always been in the sea. The red color in plankton is methyl mercury. Plankton is the grass of the sea. Methyl mercury has always been part of man's diet through the consumption of ocean fish. Said on of my interviewees: " One day we may find that some of the contaminants are actually nutrients. " http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.htm<http://www.westo\ naprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html> Sharon On 4/12/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the blog of a guy who hawks fish oil > (www.drdavesbest.com). Here's a quote from a recent blog: " There is no > reason to take Cod liver oil unless you live in Antarctica and you can get > too much Vitamin D from it as well as toxins as it is not purified in most > cases " > > Any comments on this? > > Here's another from the same blog: " The jury is still out on coconut oil > but as of this writing it's still used primarily to make lab rats fat. " > > I understand from reading Enig and Sally Fallon that there is plenty > of evidence supporting the use of coconut oil but this guy says there > isn't. > > Personally, I use cod liver oil (2 tsp./ day) and coconut oil. Most > recently I bought both from Wilderness Family Naturals. This is the first > I've purchased from them. If anyone has any experience with their > products, > are they any good? > > And fish oil? Is it worth taking? I know Dr. Dave sells it for a living so > he understandingly is going to support it's use but would adding some fish > oil to my regimen be worth it? Anybody out there know anything about this? > > > > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Just want to mention that I live in Florida and we have a lot of sun a lot of the time and many WAP members here have had their levels checked and they are very low, even with the sun. And most of these spent a half hour a day out in the sun just to get the Vit. D. So, I suggest having your levels checked before giving up on cod liver oil and going to fish oil. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharon son Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Fish oil ??? I think it was discussed/concluded on this list, not that long ago, that CLO should be used in the winter, when natural Vitamin D is in short supply due to the winter sun, and fish liver oil should be used in summer, when it's easier for us to get sun exposure. Check onibasu.com for the details. I recently ran across an interesting WAPF article regarding the toxin angle: " However, during my studies, I talked to two fish oil scientists and one marine biologist who questioned the necessity for ultra-clean oils. They did not want to go on record but this is what they said in a nut shell: There have been metals,dioxins and PCBs in fish livers and our environment since the beginning of time. And while there may be a difference between man-made contaminants and naturally occurring contaminants, there are just as many or more contaminants in tomatoes and strawberries than in most fish oils. Left unsaid was the fact that vitamin A in cod liver oil protects against dioxins and pesticides (see page 32). Much of this protective nutrient is removed in the process of making the oil ultra-clean. They also believed that concerns for mercury content in cod liver oil were misplaced, explaining that mercury has always been in the sea. The red color in plankton is methyl mercury. Plankton is the grass of the sea. Methyl mercury has always been part of man's diet through the consumption of ocean fish. Said on of my interviewees: " One day we may find that some of the contaminants are actually nutrients. " http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.htm<http://www.w estonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html> Sharon On 4/12/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the blog of a guy who hawks fish oil > (www.drdavesbest.com). Here's a quote from a recent blog: " There is no > reason to take Cod liver oil unless you live in Antarctica and you can get > too much Vitamin D from it as well as toxins as it is not purified in most > cases " > > Any comments on this? > > Here's another from the same blog: " The jury is still out on coconut oil > but as of this writing it's still used primarily to make lab rats fat. " > > I understand from reading Enig and Sally Fallon that there is plenty > of evidence supporting the use of coconut oil but this guy says there > isn't. > > Personally, I use cod liver oil (2 tsp./ day) and coconut oil. Most > recently I bought both from Wilderness Family Naturals. This is the first > I've purchased from them. If anyone has any experience with their > products, > are they any good? > > And fish oil? Is it worth taking? I know Dr. Dave sells it for a living so > he understandingly is going to support it's use but would adding some fish > oil to my regimen be worth it? Anybody out there know anything about this? > > > > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I would think that makes sense. Because I have read that it isn't easy for the body to make the vitamin D from sunlight, probably especially if nutrition is substandard. Since I live quite far north, in Washington state, and it's cloudy nearly all the time, I don't worry about taking clo -- especially since I am diabetic, and we diabetics don't make vit. A very well from carotenes, either. I wonder how much the overdosing and toxicity problems have to do with all the synthetic vitamins added to everything under the sun in processed food? I am trying the mixture of clo and butter oil in equal amounts, as recommended in Price's book. Ann > > > > I've been reading the blog of a guy who hawks fish oil > > (www.drdavesbest.com). Here's a quote from a recent blog: " There is no > > reason to take Cod liver oil unless you live in Antarctica and you can get > > too much Vitamin D from it as well as toxins as it is not purified in most > > cases " > > > > Any comments on this? > > > > Here's another from the same blog: " The jury is still out on coconut oil > > but as of this writing it's still used primarily to make lab rats fat. " > > > > I understand from reading Enig and Sally Fallon that there is plenty > > of evidence supporting the use of coconut oil but this guy says there > > isn't. > > > > Personally, I use cod liver oil (2 tsp./ day) and coconut oil. Most > > recently I bought both from Wilderness Family Naturals. This is the first > > I've purchased from them. If anyone has any experience with their > > products, > > are they any good? > > > > And fish oil? Is it worth taking? I know Dr. Dave sells it for a living so > > he understandingly is going to support it's use but would adding some fish > > oil to my regimen be worth it? Anybody out there know anything about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 >I think it was discussed/concluded on this list, not that long ago, that CLO I'm sorry. I haven't been on the list that long and the previous discussion was before my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 >especially since I am diabetic, and we > diabetics don't make vit. A very well from carotenes, either. No one makes vitamin A well from carotenes unless they are severely deficient and the carotenes are in the form of a concentrated oil-based solution. If either of these are untrue, carotenes are worthless as vitamin A. Vegetables, for example, are a horrible source of vitamin A for anyone, diabetic or not. In any case, to add a point to this discussion: the vitamin A in cod liver oil is one of the most important defenses against oxidation of the omega-3 fatty acids once they have been incorporated into the cell membranes; vitamin E is important but will not take the place of the vitamin A. So if you're taking the fish oil, you need a source of vitamin A along with it. And in fact, vitamin D increases your need for vitamin A, even when you aren't even bringing the level of vitamin D up to basic sufficiency. So getting optimal levels of vitamin D will be good for you, but if you aren't getting the vitamin A you could be depleting yourself of vitamin A, because they work together. So, if you are getting sufficient vitamin D from sun, then you need to make sure you're consuming liver (which is low in vitamin D except when it's from fish) and getting the vitamin A that way. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 annbekins wrote: > I would think that makes sense. Because I have read that it isn't > easy for the body to make the vitamin D from sunlight, probably > especially if nutrition is substandard. Since I live quite far north, > in Washington state, and it's cloudy nearly all the time, I don't > worry about taking clo <snippers> My mother always said that you don't make much vitamin D effectively without adequate natural oils on your skin. So if you shower regularly as most of us do, you don't have the full capacity to make vitamin D. At the moment I have no time or energy to look into the veracity of this claim, but my mother's been right about a lot of nutrition things. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I thought high quality COL incorporated the right ratio of A & D and that you cannot get enough D from the sun. On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Masterjohn wrote: > So, if you are getting sufficient vitamin D from sun, then you need to > make sure you're consuming liver (which is low in vitamin D except > when it's from fish) and getting the vitamin A that way. Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Tom, > My mother always said that you don't make much vitamin D effectively > without adequate natural oils on your skin. So if you shower regularly > as most of us do, you don't have the full capacity to make vitamin D. At > the moment I have no time or energy to look into the veracity of this > claim, but my mother's been right about a lot of nutrition things. There's probably some truth do it. The concentration of 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin is a rate-limiting factor that determines how much vitamin D you make, and the synthesis of vitamin D appears to decline with age because the 7-dehydrocholesterol concentration in the skin declines with age. Since it's oil-soluble, I wouldn't be surprised if dry skin or excessive washing would lower the amount of vitamin D you can make. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 > > So, if you are getting sufficient vitamin D from sun, then you need to > > make sure you're consuming liver (which is low in vitamin D except > > when it's from fish) and getting the vitamin A that way. On 4/15/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote: > I thought high quality COL incorporated the right ratio of A & D and > that you cannot get enough D from the sun. You can get enough vitamin D from the sun if you live at a latitude where there is sufficient UV-B rays, and if you get a lot of sunlight on a large portion of your body. If you stay fully clothed, only sun bathe with sun screen, work 9-5 indoors, and so on, you can not get enough vitamin D from the sun. If you live outside of the 35 degree latitude lines, there is a portion of the year for which you can't make any vitamin D anyway, but how long this " vitamin D winter " lasts depends on how far you move away from the 35 degree lines. High-vitamin CLO does have sufficient vitamin D for someone to have optimal levels with a tablespoon if they get no vitamin D whatsoever from other sources. But the question was whether you should use fish oil if you are getting vitamin D from the sun, and I was point out that if that is the case you should make sure you eat liver to make up for the vitamin A. You can, indeed, make enough vitamin D from the sun in certain circumstances, but not in others. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Thanks that's good to know. BTW, I'm looking forward to reading your new vitamin A article in WT! Tom Masterjohn wrote: > Tom, > There's probably some truth do it. The concentration of > > 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin is a rate-limiting factor that > determines how much vitamin D you make, and the synthesis of vitamin D > appears to decline with age because the 7-dehydrocholesterol > concentration in the skin declines with age. Since it's oil-soluble, > I wouldn't be surprised if dry skin or excessive washing would lower > the amount of vitamin D you can make. > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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