Re: 7-KETO DHEA Question

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Hi Rhonda,

DHEA won't cause dependency..I would not be afraid to try it. You

can stop if it causes unwanted effects. I have low DHEA also and

have had problems taking it, I always break out with acne when I

do. I also have testosterone levels that are slightly high so maybe

there is a bit of a connection there?

As for adrenals, do you know where your cortisol falls? Have you

had a 4x a day saliva test to see if it is high or low? Adrenal

fatigue can go along with a low thyroid condition and many have to

treat this..I sure did. I started with an adrenal glandular, which

turned out to be to weak for me. Then I tried Isocort, which was

better..then graduated on to hydrocortisone. This is what finally

got me back on track. I took that for a total of 9 months and am now

off of it and my adrenals seem to be doing very well on their own. I

had the help of a gal at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com (the forum

there) and at the Natural Thyroid Hormones group on .

Have you considered trying a natural thyroid med such as Armour?

That helps a lot of us to get symptoms under control You can read

more about that at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com if you like..it has

changed my life..

Missy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm hoping that someone has the answer to this one. I am a

> menopausal woman with slightly high testosterone levels. I am

using

> a compounded low dose estrogen cream and a compounded progesterone

> cream. I'm also on a compounded T4 for thyroid. Last year my

DHEA

> was low, but my FNP didn't want to put me on DHEA since I have a

> tendency toward facial hair.

>

> However, I'd like to get my adrenals in top condition as I am

> entering into a new job at work with a tremendous amount of stress

> from now through Christmas. I'm wondering about supplementing

with 7-

> KETO DHEA.

> Looks like the lowest dose is 25 mg.

>

> My main question is if I take this until the high stress level is

> over, roughly until the 1st of January, will I have a dependency

on

> it and have to continue taking it? I just, 2 days ago, started

> taking raw adrenal as well. I " m upping my other supplements as

well,

> now taking some DGL (licorice) and will be taking siberian ginseng

> within the next month.

>

> TIA,

> Rhonda

>

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Missy wrote:

>DHEA won't cause dependency..I would not be afraid to try it. You

>can stop if it causes unwanted effects.

~~~Thanks, Missy that helps.

> As for adrenals, do you know where your cortisol falls? Have you

> had a 4x a day saliva test to see if it is high or low? Adrenal

> fatigue can go along with a low thyroid condition and many have to

> treat this..I sure did.

~~~No I've never done a cortisol test. Is that something that you

have to go to a doctor for? Or a home kit I could get?

>I started with an adrenal glandular, which turned out to be to weak

>for me.

~~~I just started on raw adrenals. Not really sure how much to take

though. I think that it is 300 mg once a day. Can a person take too

much of it?

>Then I tried Isocort, which was better..then graduated on to

>hydrocortisone.

~~~What exactly is Isocort? Is that an over-the-counter?

> Have you considered trying a natural thyroid med such as Armour?

> That helps a lot of us to get symptoms under control

~~~I go to my FNP the end of this month and it will be on the top of

list to discuss with her. A year ago, when I was first diagnosed as

hypothyroid, with a TSH of 5.76, she said that my T4 was converting

to T3 just fine, according to the Free T4/Free T3 test. I'm not so

sure now that it is. My basal temp did get better, but lately I'm

back to 97.2 and I'm losing hair and my carpel tunnel is back after

it had gotten so much better.

>You can read more about that at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com if

>you like..it changed my life..

I'll have to check that out before my appointment. I do know that my

FNP is agreeable with Armour - she just didn't feel that I needed to

go that route a year ago. But I'm not where I need to be.

Rhonda

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Hi Rhonda,

I'll insert answers below:

> ~~~No I've never done a cortisol test. Is that something that you

> have to go to a doctor for? Or a home kit I could get?

I did the saliva test on my own as my doctor didn't think it was

necessary. This is the one I did: http://canaryclub.org/

This gives you thyroid, adrenals and female hormones. If you don't

need all of those, then you can do this one:

http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=12

you want the adrenal function test.

It will show you if there is a problem with adrenal fatigue.

>

> ~~~I just started on raw adrenals. Not really sure how much to

take

> though. I think that it is 300 mg once a day. Can a person take

too

> much of it?

The problem with whole raw adrenal is that it may contain

adrenaline, making your heart race at times. The best adrenal

glandular is adrenal cortex as it does not have adrenaline.

cortisol is what you are needing. The raw glandulars do not have a

standardized amount of cortisol, so it is hard to tell exactly how

much you will need.

>

>

> ~~~What exactly is Isocort? Is that an over-the-counter?

IsoCort is an adrenal cortex glandular that has a measured amount of

cortisol..2.5 mg per tablet. It is easier to know exactly how much

you are getting each time. It is easiest to find online. I got

mine here (but there are other sources):

http://www.naturalnutritionals.com/bz106.html

A word of caution: if you want to do a saliva test or other testing

for adrenals such as an ACTH stim test, you should not start on

Isocort or other glandulars as it can skew the test. Wait for the

test then you can take them.

>

>

> ~~~I go to my FNP the end of this month and it will be on the top

of

> list to discuss with her. A year ago, when I was first diagnosed

as

> hypothyroid, with a TSH of 5.76, she said that my T4 was

converting

> to T3 just fine, according to the Free T4/Free T3 test. I'm not

so

> sure now that it is. My basal temp did get better, but lately I'm

> back to 97.2 and I'm losing hair and my carpel tunnel is back

after

> it had gotten so much better.

You should get a copy of the Free T3 and Free T4 testing..as well as

any others they did. The frees T4 should be in the top 1/3 of the

range, and most of us feel best with the Free T3 at the very top of

the range. Your labs will likely show you that you are low..your

symptoms confirm that you are needing more thyroid.

>

> >You can read more about that at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com if

> >you like..it changed my life..

>

> I'll have to check that out before my appointment. I do know that

my

> FNP is agreeable with Armour - she just didn't feel that I needed

to

> go that route a year ago. But I'm not where I need to be.

Rhonda, read all you can and find out how patients actually feel

when they have switched to Armour. There are a bunch of stories on

the site I gave you..they are very inspiring. There is a whole

other world out there for thyroid patients and most doctors are

missing it because Armour and other natural thyroid meds are not big

money makers. The drug companies and doctors have bad mouthed

natural thyroid, saying it is unstable and unreliable. That is all

untrue. And many of us feel so much better getting the direct T3 as

well as all the other thyroid hormones that are contained in

Armour.

Missy

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On 10/17/06, fourume2003 <mdrgnolan@...> wrote:

> I'm hoping that someone has the answer to this one. I am a

> menopausal woman with slightly high testosterone levels. I am using

> a compounded low dose estrogen cream and a compounded progesterone

> cream. I'm also on a compounded T4 for thyroid. Last year my DHEA

> was low, but my FNP didn't want to put me on DHEA since I have a

> tendency toward facial hair.

These are symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome. Do you have PCOS?

Is your luteinizing hormone to follicle-stimulating hormone ratio

abnormal? Your insulin?

Chris

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Masterjohn wrote:

> These are symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome. Do you have

PCOS?

> Is your luteinizing hormone to follicle-stimulating hormone ratio

> abnormal? Your insulin?

~~~Don't know. I know that I do have a hereditary tendency to facial

hair - I guess my Mom's dad was quite the hairy guy. And my brother

are all hairy. How do you test for PCOS? And if you have it, what

can be done about it?

Also what is luteinizing hormone to follicle-stimulating hormone?

And is all of this even relevent 2+ years into menopause?

As for my insulin, when it was checked last October, it was

10.1 mIU/mL with the reference range of 1.0-23.0. My FNP said that I

wasn't at risk at this point for diabetes. However, I've fought a

little hypoglycemic symptoms for many years. I have found that

coconut oil and other healthy fats seem to keep me on an even keel.

There isn't any diabetes in my family and I don't eat junk food (or

very, very rarely)

The thing that surprised me last Oct was my DHEA-S was only 74 ug/dL,

with a ref range of 100-300. At that time I was under no abnormal

stress. Now with a new, more highly demanding job, especially

heading into Nov and Dec with lots of overtime and responsibilities,

I'm trying to keep on top of the adrenals. I've got to have a clear

head.

As for my Free Testosterone levels: 5.6 pg/mL with a ref range of:

0.6 - 6.8 - which my FNP said the the ref really should be 2.5 - 5.

Oh, and for additional info my Ferritin was 45 ng/mL with the ref

range of 11 - 307.

Ok, I'll know more when I get my results back on Oct 31st.

Think I've bored enough people already. But I love having other's

opinions on this, since I'm not thoroughly understanding the test

results. It also gives me a more educated conversation with my FNP.

Rhonda