Re: Re: Is all this stuff about acid foods junk science?

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On 9/15/06, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> I believe it. My favorite article on this is

>

> " Covering Nutritional Bases " by Berardi.

>

> http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bases.htm

It's interesting to note that fat is essentially neutral, so that lean

protein foods and not high-fat foods would contribute to the acid

load.

Nevertheless, this is more or less impossible to reconcile to Price's

observations. The only alkaline-forming foods are fruits and

vegetables on here, and in many of the groups Price observed, fruits

and vegetables were hardly consumed at all. Even some of the

high-carb groups he observed ate far more grains than they ate fruits

or vegetables -- for example the Swiss and Gaelicks. The former ate

mostly cheese, buttefat and rye, which is substantially net acid; the

latter ate most oats and fish heads, which is likewise substantially

net acid. The On the other side of the spectrum, the Inuit ate 80%

fat, which itself is neutral, but the other 20% was almost entirely

protein, making net acid.

His claim that calcium is a " strong base " is very confusing from a

chemical standpoint. Calcium cannot neutralize an acid, because

hydrogen ions are positively charged and calcium ions are positively

charged. Like charges repel; unlike charges attract. This is pretty

basic.

A more likely explanation for bone resorption on a high-acid diet

would be the need for PHOSPHORUS, which is the primary

acid-neutralizer in urine. An increase in urinary calcium would

reflect the need to maintain the calcium-phosphorus ratio of the

blood, and if the phosphorus is going into the urine, the calcium

needs to go too.

But ah, if this is the case, all one needs to do to avoid bone

resorption is eat a high-calcium, high-phosphorus diet.

And thus, we see why the groups studied had no problem. Their diets

were very high in calcium and even higher in phosphorus.

Problem solved. Eat bones, and if you tolerate it, dairy. Wow, that

was simple.

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On 9/15/06, Tom Jeanne <tjeanne@...> wrote:

> And that's why we have an excellent buffer system in our blood using

> bicarbonate. Do web search on " blood buffer " to read about it. The

> notion that eating an acid or alkaline *food* somehow messes up blood

> pH definitely seems like junk science to me. Your body regulates blood

> pH in an extremely narrow range because if it gets out of that range

> you will die.

This is a pretty useful introduction to the subject:

http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/acidbase_mjb/acidbase.html

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> Your body regulates blood

>pH in an extremely narrow range because if it gets out of that range

>you will die.

That's sort of along the lines of what I was thinking, that the body is

designed to be pretty self-regulating in that aspect, the way it is with

temperature.

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Your blood ph is different from your body ph and maybe most people are able

to keep their body ph normal but I know personally that is not always true.

I work hard to keep my body alkaline. I take powdered Vit. C for my

adrenal glands and it plummets my ph to very acid so it is not true that

your body will regulate itself. This may not be science on my part but after

two years on working to get my body from an acid state to an alkaline state

I do believe you have to watch you ph if you tend towards acid state. Also,

if you have an acidic body it leaves you open to disease as disease happens

when your body is acidic. I have done research on it and I do believe it is

something that some of us need to be aware of.

Just my opinion.

Allyn

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Subject: Re: Re: Is all this stuff about " acid foods " junk science?

On 9/15/06, Tom Jeanne <tjeannegmail (DOT) <mailto:tjeanne%40gmail.com> com>

wrote:

> And that's why we have an excellent buffer system in our blood using

> bicarbonate. Do web search on " blood buffer " to read about it. The

> notion that eating an acid or alkaline *food* somehow messes up blood

> pH definitely seems like junk science to me. Your body regulates blood

> pH in an extremely narrow range because if it gets out of that range

> you will die.

This is a pretty useful introduction to the subject:

http://www.usyd.

<http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/acidbase_mjb/acidbase.html>

edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/acidbase_mjb/acidbase.html

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Again, it is not the “blood ph” that is messed up, it is the “body” ph which

is different from the blood. To check your body ph all you need are ph

strips. Test with your urine first thing in the am and then a couple times

a day before eating. After eating your body ph will usually drop as I mine

always goes very acidic. Some people may not have a problem with their ph

but a lot of us do especially if you eat the SAD. I don’t eat the SAD 90%

of the time but still have problems keeping my ph up. I don’t have as much

problem as I did two years ago when I changed my diet to eat along WAP

guidelines but I do have to watch it.

Allyn

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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: Is all this stuff about " acid foods " junk science?

> It is required for our blood to maintain a certain ph or we die. All

> doctors now this.

>

> Allyn

And that's why we have an excellent buffer system in our blood using

bicarbonate. Do web search on " blood buffer " to read about it. The

notion that eating an acid or alkaline *food* somehow messes up blood

pH definitely seems like junk science to me. Your body regulates blood

pH in an extremely narrow range because if it gets out of that range

you will die.

Tom

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On 9/16/06, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

> Your blood ph is different from your body ph

Right. The pH of the blood exists, whereas the pH of the " body " is a

mythological fantasy.

> and maybe most people are able

> to keep their body ph normal but I know personally that is not always true.

> I work hard to keep my body alkaline.

What do you use to test the pH of your body? Urine? Saliva? Each of

these are tests of specific secretions, not a test of your " body. "

> Also,

> if you have an acidic body it leaves you open to disease as disease happens

> when your body is acidic.

It depends which tissue is acidic or basic. Perhaps the single most

important protection against infectious disease is the extreme acidity

of your stomach. When this fails, you become vulnerable to all sorts

of disease-causing organisms. Mild acidity of the intestines helps

protect against pathogenic organisms and helps the beneficial

organisms thrive. Mild acidity of the skin does the same thing.

Acidity of tissues that are supposed to be alkaline, on the other

hand, may contribute to disease. What is paramount is the regulation

of each tissues pH such that it is maintained at the pH at which its

function is optimal.

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Allyn,

> Again, it is not the " blood ph " that is messed up, it is the " body " ph which

> is different from the blood. To check your body ph all you need are ph

> strips. Test with your urine first thing in the am and then a couple times

> a day before eating.

This is the pH of your urine. Unlike your blood, your urine is not

even part of your body. There is something ironic, then, about using

the term " urine " and " body " synonymously while differentiating the

terms " body " and " blood. "

Chris

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