Re: B6 and Dreaming (was Tablets)

[Guest guest]

Wanita,

> It will. My question was more about choosing copper over B6. B6 being water

> soluable. Understand you're using liquid B6 too. Walsh does say too much B6

> can cause bad dreams. No one wants those anymore than copper overload.

I have exclusive nightmares anyway, so it's worth a shot.

My normal pattern of dreaming is that I rarely have a dream -- or in

any case I rarely notice dreaming or remember having a dream -- and

several times a month, or sometimes more often, I have nightmares. I

never wake up in cold sweats or anything, for the most part, but they

are major adrenal events.

In any case, there has been one time where I supplemented with B6 --

and of course the supplements give you enormous doses of it, but I was

breaking these tablets in half -- and I stopped having nightmares and

started having this really vivid, very weird and interesting dreams,

and I was dreaming every night, remembering several dreams every

night. But no nightmares.

And that was a long time ago, and I've fallen back into the

no-dreams-but-nightmares pattern.

Last night I took the new liquid B6. I took it at a quarter of the

recommended dose on the bottle, which I figure should be sufficient

since it is 25 times the RDA (the recommended teaspoon is 100 times

the RDA). I also took it against the backdrop of a liquid sublingual

B complex.

Last night I had several dreams that I remember. A couple of them I

remembered at the time but have since forgotten.

Interestingly enough, one was of violent content, very similar to the

nightmare I had last night, featuring my same arch-nemesis, only in

last night's dream we were friends, and I wasn't involved in the

voluntary fighting that was going on, which no one had a problem with,

and I was observing. There was no adrenaline rush during the dream, I

don't think.

So I'm going to keep with the B6 and see how it goes. Maybe I'll find

I'll want to lower the dose a bit, but I do think I need to be taking

some extra B6.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I had also heard that if you don't remember dreams when you wake up

you're B6 deficient. So far my experience confirms that. I used to

wake up and never remember any dreams (also had trouble sleeping).

Once I started supplementing with B6, I started having really nice

dreams, remembered them every morning. I take a supp. every other

day to avoid getting too much. I think the body is able to store B

vits pretty well.

- Renate

>

> Wanita,

>

> > It will. My question was more about choosing copper over B6. B6

being water

> > soluable. Understand you're using liquid B6 too. Walsh does say

too much B6

> > can cause bad dreams. No one wants those anymore than copper

overload.

>

> I have exclusive nightmares anyway, so it's worth a shot.

>

> My normal pattern of dreaming is that I rarely have a dream -- or

in

> any case I rarely notice dreaming or remember having a dream -- and

> several times a month, or sometimes more often, I have

nightmares. I

> never wake up in cold sweats or anything, for the most part, but

they

> are major adrenal events.

>

> In any case, there has been one time where I supplemented with B6 -

-

> and of course the supplements give you enormous doses of it, but I

was

> breaking these tablets in half -- and I stopped having nightmares

and

> started having this really vivid, very weird and interesting

dreams,

> and I was dreaming every night, remembering several dreams every

> night. But no nightmares.

>

> And that was a long time ago, and I've fallen back into the

> no-dreams-but-nightmares pattern.

>

> Last night I took the new liquid B6. I took it at a quarter of the

> recommended dose on the bottle, which I figure should be sufficient

> since it is 25 times the RDA (the recommended teaspoon is 100 times

> the RDA). I also took it against the backdrop of a liquid

sublingual

> B complex.

>

> Last night I had several dreams that I remember. A couple of them

I

> remembered at the time but have since forgotten.

>

> Interestingly enough, one was of violent content, very similar to

the

> nightmare I had last night, featuring my same arch-nemesis, only in

> last night's dream we were friends, and I wasn't involved in the

> voluntary fighting that was going on, which no one had a problem

with,

> and I was observing. There was no adrenaline rush during the

dream, I

> don't think.

>

> So I'm going to keep with the B6 and see how it goes. Maybe I'll

find

> I'll want to lower the dose a bit, but I do think I need to be

taking

> some extra B6.

>

> Chris

> --

> Dioxins in Animal Foods:

> A Case For Vegetarianism?

> Find Out the Truth:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

>

[Guest guest]

Thats interesting. I never supplement with B6 (I don't supplement

with anything pure besides the occasional methylcobalamin sublingual),

but I do have many many dreams most nights, and I can remember most of

them to some extent. I usually don't eat after 4pm most days either.

Maybe its all the raw liver I eat (~12+ oz beef liver a week), which

would contain a lot of B-6 I think, but then again, I always have

remembered dreams and had a lot of dreams since I was little and

eating junk. I would bet B-6 has something to do with it but I think

there would have to be numerous other factors as well.

-

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

>

> I had also heard that if you don't remember dreams when you wake up

> you're B6 deficient. So far my experience confirms that. I used to

> wake up and never remember any dreams (also had trouble sleeping).

> Once I started supplementing with B6, I started having really nice

> dreams, remembered them every morning. I take a supp. every other

> day to avoid getting too much. I think the body is able to store B

> vits pretty well.

>

> - Renate

[Guest guest]

On 2/23/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I had also heard that if you don't remember dreams when you wake up

> you're B6 deficient. So far my experience confirms that. I used to

> wake up and never remember any dreams (also had trouble sleeping).

> Once I started supplementing with B6, I started having really nice

> dreams, remembered them every morning. I take a supp. every other

> day to avoid getting too much. I think the body is able to store B

> vits pretty well.

That's really interesting, Renate, because I thought the traditional

idea is that we don't store water-soluble vitamins well. However, the

high B vitamin content of liver would seem to indicate we store them

well in the liver.

But I think this jives with my experience too. I originally started

supplementing with zinc and B6 because I read of this

zinc/B6/arachidonic acid deficiency disease called pyroluria, and I

had a lot of its symptoms. Some of them resolved, especially the

dreaming thing, but then I stopped taking the B6 and it seemed to me

as if my problems had just gone away.

Over a long period of time, I slipped back into the dreaming pattern I

had pre-B6 which is no dreams, speckled with nightmares, but it had

been so long that I'd forgotten about the B6 thing.

So it does seem as if I'd built up a considerable store of B6 that

drained out over time.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I thought I had pyroluria also, was taking B6 and zinc. I've quit the

zinc and take magnesium instead because of the high amounts of C I'm

taking, and the symptoms of pyroluria are still gone. I think it must

have been CAUSED by something, maybe the lyme or a nutritional

imbalance.

- Renate

> But I think this jives with my experience too. I originally started

> supplementing with zinc and B6 because I read of this

> zinc/B6/arachidonic acid deficiency disease called pyroluria, and I

> had a lot of its symptoms. Some of them resolved, especially the

> dreaming thing, but then I stopped taking the B6 and it seemed to me

> as if my problems had just gone away.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2/23/06, haecklers wrote:

> I had also heard that if you don't remember dreams when you wake up

> you're B6 deficient. So far my experience confirms that. I used to

> wake up and never remember any dreams (also had trouble sleeping).

> Once I started supplementing with B6, I started having really nice

> dreams, remembered them every morning. I take a supp. every other

> day to avoid getting too much. I think the body is able to store B

> vits pretty well.

That's really interesting, Renate, because I thought the traditional

idea is that we don't store water-soluble vitamins well. However, the

high B vitamin content of liver would seem to indicate we store them

well in the liver.

But I think this jives with my experience too. I originally started

supplementing with zinc and B6 because I read of this

zinc/B6/arachidonic acid deficiency disease called pyroluria, and I

had a lot of its symptoms. Some of them resolved, especially the

dreaming thing, but then I stopped taking the B6 and it seemed to me

as if my problems had just gone away.

Over a long period of time, I slipped back into the dreaming pattern I

had pre-B6 which is no dreams, speckled with nightmares, but it had

been so long that I'd forgotten about the B6 thing.

So it does seem as if I'd built up a considerable store of B6 that

drained out over time.

Chris

Dreaming came up here before but not it's relation to B6. I piped in with I

haven't remembered but a few dreams in many years. Anyway, have taken 100 mgs.

B6 a day for last 10 days and still think I don't dream.:-)

Does help energy. I got real turned off on B complex supplements over 50 mgs.

each. They'd make me nauseous 20 minutes later. Can say it wasn't the B3

niacinamide, B6, B12, pantothenic acid, choline or inositol I take separately

now at higher doses with no nausea.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Wanita, do you want to remember your dreams? there are

techniques for this, like putting a pen and paper next to your bed

so you can write them down first thing in the morning. email me

off list if you want to know more.

>

> Dreaming came up here before but not it's relation to B6. I

piped in with I haven't remembered but a few dreams in many

years. Anyway, have taken 100 mgs. B6 a day for last 10 days

and still think I don't dream.:-)

> Does help energy. I got real turned off on B complex

supplements over 50 mgs. each. They'd make me nauseous 20

minutes later. Can say it wasn't the B3 niacinamide, B6, B12,

pantothenic acid, choline or inositol I take separately now at

higher doses with no nausea.

>

> Wanita

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2/24/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Bottom line is copper bad for you? How much should I have? I was going

> to get a pot for candy making which they said was made of copper to

> react with the sugar a certain way but didn't because I thought too

> much copper was bad.

>

> Do you know what the deal is on this/

I would think most people are likely to be deficient in copper. But

it has to be in proportion to zinc. So too much of one without the

other is bad for you. Everything I've read so far says you want a

10:1 zinc to copper ratio.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Copper does destroy vitamin C on contact, so it's no good for

jellymaking. I've heard most people get plenty of copper from copper

plumbing and the copper residue on produce.

- Renate