Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

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Amy,

What ever you do don't call a hot line! A good friend of mine called a hot

line in Dec. when her dh and her were separated, she told her that she would

not get back together and that she would never marrie again! Well guess what

a week later dh and her were back together and are still together. They

realized that they couldn't live without each other. Also the bill she got

last month was over 300.00 that's a great deal of money for incorrect info.

I somewhat believe in E.S.P. also maybe it would curb your intrest if you

found a local person that does readings and such.Someone you never have met.

Have a great day,

Treasa

clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

> Hi, everyone! It's been a few days since I've checked my mail again. I

> think it was Friday that I last did so. It wasn't too bad. Only about 60

or

> so. I had other mail mixed in so I don't really know. I only responded

to

> one individually, just too tired and figured I'd touch on the ones that I

> could remember in this e-mail. So if I do not mention something important

on

> someone, please forgive me! As if my brain has not been fried enough

> already, I have had nothing to resemble a schedule over the last week, and

if

> one knew what all I had been doing, they would look at me like I lost my

mind

> for claiming to be on vacation! All I know is I can't wait for this one

to

> be over. I think I am at the calmer part of it now, though. So maybe it

> will be a little more relaxing. I hope!

>

> On the clomid discussion, I just wanted to say that I have also heard (or

> read or something) that over 3-6 months it is more of a bcp, also. How

much

> truth there is to it, I don't know. But I do believe that if it has not

> helped in that time, more needs to be done anyway. Just my opinion, for

what

> it's worth!

>

> Sonja, I wish I could be like you! You sound as if you are at peace with

> your decision. I sometimes consider throwing in the towel. Not going on

> bcp, but not taking temps and paying attention to my cycle, and just

saying

> whatever will be will be. A huge part of me believest that is the best

> thing. BC I know that " whatever will be will be " is right. It doesn't

> matter how well I time bd, and what my temps are, or anything else. If I

am

> supposed to hold more than my one child in my arms, it will happen at the

> time it's supposed to. Not when I want it to. Unfortunately, I inherited

my

> dad's gene for stubborness (along with the grudgeholding thing--but that's

> another subject), and I just won't accept what I know to be true. So I

> continue to play this game month after month. I wish I could win for a

> change. Anyway, I just want you to know that I admire you. And that I

hope

> your puppy search is going well.

>

> Now on to my sadder part of this message. I haven't really been feeling

too

> great. Some of that may have come out in my earlier post. Right now i

just

> want to cry. Unfortunately I don't have time for that tonight. I am 13

> days, and DH and I have work to do. I should O within the next couple of

> days. My temps have been so messed up, I don't know if I will be able to

> determine the rise. I haven't been getting up for the alarm, so I missed

> about 3, and I've been going to sleep at awkward hours. They have still

been

> low though, so I am hoping I will notice the rise. I've been having

really

> bad pains on my right side. The ones that are supposed to be ovulatory.

So

> bad that I have almost started crying bc of them. I think alot of that

has

> to do with my emotional state, though. So anyway, that is another reason

I

> think I will o soon. I have been so down for a while. Although I have

> suspected a problem other than my tube, voicing that out loud has really

made

> it sink in. I told dh, the dr, my mom, and my mil. Oh, yeah! And you

all

> in this group. And now it is beginning to hurt so much. I'm going to be

a

> mess if I my suspicions are confirmed by the dr. I was looking forward to

> this appt at first, and now I am so afraid. Thinking of it brings tears

to

> my eyes. I just don't know how I am going to survive this.

>

> My friend's mil (well almost--in a week) believes in the psychic thing,

and I

> admit, I wonder about it also. I definitely don't disbelieve. I haven't

> seen evidence either way, so I am just kind of waiting for some to sway

me.

> She was telling me stories that are just weird, things that have happened

to

> me. And I kind of believe in esp. there are times some strange things

have

> happened to me. the weirdest is that the phone used to never wake me up,

but

> one night it rang and I woke up before my mom, and my dad had been in a

bad

> accident. Since then, I have believed that I somehow knew something was

> wrong. this is probably about the time I started believing in psychic

> things. anyway, let me tell you what happened with my friend's mil. she

> knows about reading palms, so we were all having her read our palms on

tues.

> Just for fun. well, on mine, she hit so many things. she said that I

will

> have many minor accidents, and when I am older, I will have a severe

> accident. I will come into large sums of money on several occasions, but

> blow it. Well, i have had 2 car accidents, both of which resulted in

minor

> settlements. those settlements and other high amounts of money I have

> received were always spent almost immediately. So I thought that was kind

of

> cool. accurate in a way. she said that I either have had or will have

some

> sort of pg loss. she said one, but I have had 2. So accuracy with

> inaccuracy. and she said I will have 3 children total. and she said I

have

> esp capabilities--remember what I said about my dad's accident?! I just

> thought this was kind of cool, and thought I would share. I hope no one

was

> offended in any way. like I said, I still am waiting to for absolute

proof

> before my beliefs are swayed in any direction. I'm considering calling a

> psychic hotline to see what i'm told. Kind of dumb, huh? I guess I'm

> getting kind of desperate.

>

> Well, i have more mail to read so I will go now. Talk to you all later!

>

> Amy

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,

Sorry if I offended you but it is a psychic hot line we were talking about.

I think that hot line for abuse or emotional problems are great I would

never tell anyone not to call a help hot line.

Have a great day, Treasa

Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

> Treasa:

>

> I don't know what kind of hotline your friend called, but I never heard of

> one billing a person for services. I guess if I called and they asked for

> all that info to begin with I would hang up! I used to work for an abuse

> support line years ago, and it was completely anonymous. That is the way

I

> would go if I was thinking of calling for any kind of support. Not all

hot

> lines are bad. You just have to be sure you know what you are getting

into.

>

>

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Hello, I am writing you in regard to your psychic reading. I never

really believed in that kind of thing, until two weeks ago. My sister and

mother both go to this woman in Richmond, In who reads cards and tells you

some of your future and I went with my sister just basically because she

didn't want to go alone. She told her that a sister and her would have a

fight and something in regard to surgery. One week later we were arguing and

the next day I had an appt. with my obgyn because I had been bleeding for 5

weeks and he admitted me to the hospital for some tests. That night he

informed me that I was pregnant. I started crying. I am a 29 year old who

has recently split up with my fiance of 4 years. He then tells me that the

baby was in my tubes and it must be removed. I had no one. He (Ben my

fiance) had moved on. I still can't believe it. I was rushed into surgery

to remove the fetus. After recovery my doctor informed me that it was worse

then what he imagined, that my tube had ruptured and it had to be removed and

that my other tube is too messed up and I can no longer have children. I

called Ben and to him it was a blessing since we were over, but to me it

hurt. It hurt me to have lost the baby and it had hurt me that he didn't

care after all those years together. My sister came to the hospital and

apologized for the argument and we discussed the woman who read the cards to

her. I am a believer now in psychics. She new about everything. Now I am

scared to go see her but a part of me wants to. I just thought I would share

this with you.

D. Erb

[Guest guest]

The other tube as far as I could understand is blocked. He explained a lot

to me after surgery and at that point I was pretty medicated. I see him

again on Thurs. for the first time since the day of surgery. All I know is

that he said that the other tube is ruined and he was going to remove it too

but he felt it wouldn't cause any problems. After Thursday I will be able to

explain it more to all of you.

I am still confused about a lot of things myself. Before I went to surgery

all I thought they were going to do was go in thru my belly button and then I

come out with cuts on both sides while the doctor is telling me that the

right tube is gone and that it had already ruptured, and the left one was in

bad shape. I have two beautiful children who are my world and now all I know

is they are a blessing to me. They always have been, don't get me wrong, but

I look at them now and realize that life is so very important and short. I

am having such a very hard time dealing with this but they are all that get

me thru from day to day. Right now my daughter is on the floor beside me

getting some seeds planted in dixie cups getting ready for our garden. We

are going to plant seeds and watch them grow. She is five and so very much

like me.

I promise you all that Thursday after my appt. I will tell you more because

tell you the truth I don't know. Thanks for all the support. It is the best

replies and understanding since the surgery.

[Guest guest]

,

I saw your earlier post and wanted to welcome you to the group. I am sorry

that you are having a difficult time right now. I too lost a tube, and

have been ttc for a while with no luck yet. I wanted to ask why you think

you can't have any children. What is wrong with your other tube? Have you

had any tests yet? Sorry for the questions, but it seems sudden for a dr.

just to say after ep surgery - sorry no kids for you. Let us know. We all

care here.

Tara

Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

Hello, I am writing you in regard to your psychic reading. I never

really believed in that kind of thing, until two weeks ago. My sister and

mother both go to this woman in Richmond, In who reads cards and tells you

some of your future and I went with my sister just basically because she

didn't want to go alone. She told her that a sister and her would have a

fight and something in regard to surgery. One week later we were arguing

and

the next day I had an appt. with my obgyn because I had been bleeding for 5

weeks and he admitted me to the hospital for some tests. That night he

informed me that I was pregnant. I started crying. I am a 29 year old who

has recently split up with my fiance of 4 years. He then tells me that the

baby was in my tubes and it must be removed. I had no one. He (Ben my

fiance) had moved on. I still can't believe it. I was rushed into surgery

to remove the fetus. After recovery my doctor informed me that it was

worse

then what he imagined, that my tube had ruptured and it had to be removed

and

that my other tube is too messed up and I can no longer have children. I

called Ben and to him it was a blessing since we were over, but to me it

hurt. It hurt me to have lost the baby and it had hurt me that he didn't

care after all those years together. My sister came to the hospital and

apologized for the argument and we discussed the woman who read the cards

to

her. I am a believer now in psychics. She new about everything. Now I am

scared to go see her but a part of me wants to. I just thought I would

share

this with you.

D. Erb

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,

The way the lady knew what was going to happen with you is the kind of

proof that I need to hear. Too bad she couldn't have told you

something more pleasant though.

I'm sorry that you are having to go through this alone. Is your family

at least supportive? I hope we can be.

Amy

aphradite2-@... wrote:

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373

> Hello, I am writing you in regard to your psychic reading. I

never

> really believed in that kind of thing, until two weeks ago. My

sister and

> mother both go to this woman in Richmond, In who reads cards and

tells you

> some of your future and I went with my sister just basically because

she

> didn't want to go alone. She told her that a sister and her would

have a

> fight and something in regard to surgery. One week later we were

arguing and

> the next day I had an appt. with my obgyn because I had been bleeding

for 5

> weeks and he admitted me to the hospital for some tests. That night

he

> informed me that I was pregnant. I started crying. I am a 29 year

old who

> has recently split up with my fiance of 4 years. He then tells me

that the

> baby was in my tubes and it must be removed. I had no one. He (Ben

my

> fiance) had moved on. I still can't believe it. I was rushed into

surgery

> to remove the fetus. After recovery my doctor informed me that it

was worse

> then what he imagined, that my tube had ruptured and it had to be

removed and

> that my other tube is too messed up and I can no longer have

children. I

> called Ben and to him it was a blessing since we were over, but to me

it

> hurt. It hurt me to have lost the baby and it had hurt me that he

didn't

> care after all those years together. My sister came to the hospital

and

> apologized for the argument and we discussed the woman who read the

cards to

> her. I am a believer now in psychics. She new about everything.

Now I am

> scared to go see her but a part of me wants to. I just thought I

would share

> this with you.

> D. Erb

[Guest guest]

Treasa:

I don't know what kind of hotline your friend called, but I never heard of

one billing a person for services. I guess if I called and they asked for

all that info to begin with I would hang up! I used to work for an abuse

support line years ago, and it was completely anonymous. That is the way I

would go if I was thinking of calling for any kind of support. Not all hot

lines are bad. You just have to be sure you know what you are getting into.

[Guest guest]

,

I am so glad that you already have 2 children. That is a wonderful

comfort. I am a custodial stepparent to two children, so I am raising kids

myself and have been for many years. I am hoping for my own child, but

feel blessed and honored to be raising my skids.

I am glad you will be returning to see you dr. this week. Go armed with a

list of questions. But please, before you have any surgery on your

remaining tube, seek a second, or possibly even a third, opinion. This is

something a lot of us feel very strongly about and I hope you will think

about it.

I don't mean to sound forceful, but I am concerned. Email me anytime.

Tara

Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

The other tube as far as I could understand is blocked. He explained a lot

to me after surgery and at that point I was pretty medicated. I see him

again on Thurs. for the first time since the day of surgery. All I know is

that he said that the other tube is ruined and he was going to remove it

too

but he felt it wouldn't cause any problems. After Thursday I will be able

to

explain it more to all of you.

I am still confused about a lot of things myself. Before I went to surgery

all I thought they were going to do was go in thru my belly button and then

I

come out with cuts on both sides while the doctor is telling me that the

right tube is gone and that it had already ruptured, and the left one was

in

bad shape. I have two beautiful children who are my world and now all I

know

is they are a blessing to me. They always have been, don't get me wrong,

but

I look at them now and realize that life is so very important and short. I

am having such a very hard time dealing with this but they are all that get

me thru from day to day. Right now my daughter is on the floor beside me

getting some seeds planted in dixie cups getting ready for our garden. We

are going to plant seeds and watch them grow. She is five and so very much

like me.

I promise you all that Thursday after my appt. I will tell you more because

tell you the truth I don't know. Thanks for all the support. It is the

best

replies and understanding since the surgery.

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Treasa:

No, you did not offend me at all. I just saw where you said not to call a

hot line, and I knew Amy had been down the last couple of days...I thought

you were referring to help line type hotlines. I have not been reading the

posts about the psychic stuff because I absolutely do not believe *most* of

it is real and they can be very misleading. That is not to say that there

are not those with this ability in a very true sense, however, it is also

very much against my religious beliefs to consult such people - real and

true or not. I just did not realize that those posts and yours were

related.

I know a while back (perhaps before you joined us Treasa) we discussed

" false hope " when it comes to being able to conceive again...a lot of us

agreed that we would rather look at things realistically, as hard as that

might be, rather than hope in something that would only lead us on. I guess

that is how I look at psychic " readings " and such. I think most of them are

sham and would only serve to give false information one way or another.

I hope I have not offended anyone by my comments...but I did want you to

know that there was no offense taken and that I now understand the context

of your post now.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/13/2000 7:45:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

@... writes:

<< That is not to say that there

are not those with this ability in a very true sense, however, it is also

very much against my religious beliefs to consult such people - real and

true or not. >>

I completely agree with what says on the above mentioned subject.

Just my .02!

[Guest guest]

,

I'm so sorry for you loss. But I'm very glad that you found us. I'm

sure that you will find great support and comfort here with us. No one

can truly understand how we feel unless they have been through it

themselves.

You mentioned in your post that the doctor said the remaining tube

looked a mess. I'm sure that Krista will tell you that there is no way

to tell for certain the condition of the tube unless they go in and look

at the inside. I remember my doctor telling me that my left tube look

fine. So I was thinking, great, at least I have one, but the without

testing (hsg), there is no way to tell if the tube is blocked or not.

Even if the test comes back fine, it's no guarantee. I'm not telling

you this discourage you sweetie, but don't let him remove that tube

without at least a second or even third opinion. It's all that you have

left and he can't tell for sure (I think he didn't removed the other

tube during the surgery because he was more afraid of a law suit).

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Big hugs,

Jo-Ann

Aphradite29@... wrote:

>

> Hello, I am writing you in regard to your psychic reading. I never

> really believed in that kind of thing, until two weeks ago. My sister and

> mother both go to this woman in Richmond, In who reads cards and tells you

> some of your future and I went with my sister just basically because she

> didn't want to go alone. She told her that a sister and her would have a

> fight and something in regard to surgery. One week later we were arguing and

> the next day I had an appt. with my obgyn because I had been bleeding for 5

> weeks and he admitted me to the hospital for some tests. That night he

> informed me that I was pregnant. I started crying. I am a 29 year old who

> has recently split up with my fiance of 4 years. He then tells me that the

> baby was in my tubes and it must be removed. I had no one. He (Ben my

> fiance) had moved on. I still can't believe it. I was rushed into surgery

> to remove the fetus. After recovery my doctor informed me that it was worse

> then what he imagined, that my tube had ruptured and it had to be removed and

> that my other tube is too messed up and I can no longer have children. I

> called Ben and to him it was a blessing since we were over, but to me it

> hurt. It hurt me to have lost the baby and it had hurt me that he didn't

> care after all those years together. My sister came to the hospital and

> apologized for the argument and we discussed the woman who read the cards to

> her. I am a believer now in psychics. She new about everything. Now I am

> scared to go see her but a part of me wants to. I just thought I would share

> this with you.

> D. Erb

>

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[Guest guest]

:

Thanks, I was worried about posting that. Not trying to force anything on

anyone, but you never know how things will be interpreted. Nice to know

someone else feels the same way.

[Guest guest]

Amy,

I am sorry love, this ride is so difficult to be on, and sometimes it

just feels like there is no off-ramp to take, you are just stuck in this

single lane traffic jam, getting all anxious, and clausterphobic, and no

one around you seems to notice your distress,untill your car ceases

up,and blocks their journey, and then really all you get is how you are

inconveniencing them by being in the situation you are in....

I wish I could give you some comfort, but all I can do is let you know

that I understand what you are feeling, and I am here for you if you

need someone....

Don't admire me. I know I sound all stable,and balanced, but, it is

always easier to sound that way in writing, and believe me, alot of the

things I write down, is really more a way of trying to convince myself

than anything else...you should admire yourself for your own courage...

for somehow finding the strength to move foward, to go on, to keep

trying, for not giving up... I know that one does not always see these

things in yourself, but you have an amazing strength, and an incredible

driving force, and all of you that keep on trying, that keep running the

race, regardless of how tired you get, or drained you feel, you are the

ones that should be admired.

so Amy, I applaude you, don't ever let anyone make you feel inadequate.

Don't ever feel like you are anything less than an incredible woman,

worthy of all the happiness, and joys that this world has to offer. And

you know what? You will have your baby... not because you won't give up.

Not because 'you are still young', or that is happens for everyone

sooner or later, but because you are a person that deserves it..

Don't doubt yourself, give yourself a pat on the back,and say to the

world, hey! I am actually alive, and I am pretty amazing to boot!

take care, Amy, don't ever loose your passion.

sonja

Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

Amy,

What ever you do don't call a hot line! A good friend of mine called a

hot

line in Dec. when her dh and her were separated, she told her that she

would

not get back together and that she would never marrie again! Well guess

what

a week later dh and her were back together and are still together. They

realized that they couldn't live without each other. Also the bill she

got

last month was over 300.00 that's a great deal of money for incorrect

info.

I somewhat believe in E.S.P. also maybe it would curb your intrest if

you

found a local person that does readings and such.Someone you never have

met.

Have a great day,

Treasa

clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

> Hi, everyone! It's been a few days since I've checked my mail again.

I

> think it was Friday that I last did so. It wasn't too bad. Only

about 60

or

> so. I had other mail mixed in so I don't really know. I only

responded

to

> one individually, just too tired and figured I'd touch on the ones

that I

> could remember in this e-mail. So if I do not mention something

important

on

> someone, please forgive me! As if my brain has not been fried enough

> already, I have had nothing to resemble a schedule over the last week,

and

if

> one knew what all I had been doing, they would look at me like I lost

my

mind

> for claiming to be on vacation! All I know is I can't wait for this

one

to

> be over. I think I am at the calmer part of it now, though. So maybe

it

> will be a little more relaxing. I hope!

>

> On the clomid discussion, I just wanted to say that I have also heard

(or

> read or something) that over 3-6 months it is more of a bcp, also.

How

much

> truth there is to it, I don't know. But I do believe that if it has

not

> helped in that time, more needs to be done anyway. Just my opinion,

for

what

> it's worth!

>

> Sonja, I wish I could be like you! You sound as if you are at peace

with

> your decision. I sometimes consider throwing in the towel. Not going

on

> bcp, but not taking temps and paying attention to my cycle, and just

saying

> whatever will be will be. A huge part of me believest that is the

best

> thing. BC I know that " whatever will be will be " is right. It

doesn't

> matter how well I time bd, and what my temps are, or anything else.

If I

am

> supposed to hold more than my one child in my arms, it will happen at

the

> time it's supposed to. Not when I want it to. Unfortunately, I

inherited

my

> dad's gene for stubborness (along with the grudgeholding thing--but

that's

> another subject), and I just won't accept what I know to be true. So

I

> continue to play this game month after month. I wish I could win for

a

> change. Anyway, I just want you to know that I admire you. And that

I

hope

> your puppy search is going well.

>

> Now on to my sadder part of this message. I haven't really been

feeling

too

> great. Some of that may have come out in my earlier post. Right now

i

just

> want to cry. Unfortunately I don't have time for that tonight. I am

13

> days, and DH and I have work to do. I should O within the next couple

of

> days. My temps have been so messed up, I don't know if I will be able

to

> determine the rise. I haven't been getting up for the alarm, so I

missed

> about 3, and I've been going to sleep at awkward hours. They have

still

been

> low though, so I am hoping I will notice the rise. I've been having

really

> bad pains on my right side. The ones that are supposed to be

ovulatory.

So

> bad that I have almost started crying bc of them. I think alot of

that

has

> to do with my emotional state, though. So anyway, that is another

reason

I

> think I will o soon. I have been so down for a while. Although I

have

> suspected a problem other than my tube, voicing that out loud has

really

made

> it sink in. I told dh, the dr, my mom, and my mil. Oh, yeah! And

you

all

> in this group. And now it is beginning to hurt so much. I'm going to

be

a

> mess if I my suspicions are confirmed by the dr. I was looking

forward to

> this appt at first, and now I am so afraid. Thinking of it brings

tears

to

> my eyes. I just don't know how I am going to survive this.

>

> My friend's mil (well almost--in a week) believes in the psychic

thing,

and I

> admit, I wonder about it also. I definitely don't disbelieve. I

haven't

> seen evidence either way, so I am just kind of waiting for some to

sway

me.

> She was telling me stories that are just weird, things that have

happened

to

> me. And I kind of believe in esp. there are times some strange

things

have

> happened to me. the weirdest is that the phone used to never wake me

up,

but

> one night it rang and I woke up before my mom, and my dad had been in

a

bad

> accident. Since then, I have believed that I somehow knew something

was

> wrong. this is probably about the time I started believing in psychic

> things. anyway, let me tell you what happened with my friend's mil.

she

> knows about reading palms, so we were all having her read our palms on

tues.

> Just for fun. well, on mine, she hit so many things. she said that I

will

> have many minor accidents, and when I am older, I will have a severe

> accident. I will come into large sums of money on several occasions,

but

> blow it. Well, i have had 2 car accidents, both of which resulted in

minor

> settlements. those settlements and other high amounts of money I have

> received were always spent almost immediately. So I thought that was

kind

of

> cool. accurate in a way. she said that I either have had or will

have

some

> sort of pg loss. she said one, but I have had 2. So accuracy with

> inaccuracy. and she said I will have 3 children total. and she said

I

have

> esp capabilities--remember what I said about my dad's accident?! I

just

> thought this was kind of cool, and thought I would share. I hope no

one

was

> offended in any way. like I said, I still am waiting to for absolute

proof

> before my beliefs are swayed in any direction. I'm considering

calling a

> psychic hotline to see what i'm told. Kind of dumb, huh? I guess I'm

> getting kind of desperate.

>

> Well, i have more mail to read so I will go now. Talk to you all

later!

>

> Amy

>

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Sonja,

Well said!

Take care,

Jo-Ann

Sonja Kershaw wrote:

>

> Amy,

> I am sorry love, this ride is so difficult to be on, and sometimes it

> just feels like there is no off-ramp to take, you are just stuck in this

> single lane traffic jam, getting all anxious, and clausterphobic, and no

> one around you seems to notice your distress,untill your car ceases

> up,and blocks their journey, and then really all you get is how you are

> inconveniencing them by being in the situation you are in....

> I wish I could give you some comfort, but all I can do is let you know

> that I understand what you are feeling, and I am here for you if you

> need someone....

> Don't admire me. I know I sound all stable,and balanced, but, it is

> always easier to sound that way in writing, and believe me, alot of the

> things I write down, is really more a way of trying to convince myself

> than anything else...you should admire yourself for your own courage...

> for somehow finding the strength to move foward, to go on, to keep

> trying, for not giving up... I know that one does not always see these

> things in yourself, but you have an amazing strength, and an incredible

> driving force, and all of you that keep on trying, that keep running the

> race, regardless of how tired you get, or drained you feel, you are the

> ones that should be admired.

> so Amy, I applaude you, don't ever let anyone make you feel inadequate.

> Don't ever feel like you are anything less than an incredible woman,

> worthy of all the happiness, and joys that this world has to offer. And

> you know what? You will have your baby... not because you won't give up.

> Not because 'you are still young', or that is happens for everyone

> sooner or later, but because you are a person that deserves it..

> Don't doubt yourself, give yourself a pat on the back,and say to the

> world, hey! I am actually alive, and I am pretty amazing to boot!

> take care, Amy, don't ever loose your passion.

> sonja

>

> Re: clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

>

> Amy,

> What ever you do don't call a hot line! A good friend of mine called a

> hot

> line in Dec. when her dh and her were separated, she told her that she

> would

> not get back together and that she would never marrie again! Well guess

> what

> a week later dh and her were back together and are still together. They

> realized that they couldn't live without each other. Also the bill she

> got

> last month was over 300.00 that's a great deal of money for incorrect

> info.

> I somewhat believe in E.S.P. also maybe it would curb your intrest if

> you

> found a local person that does readings and such.Someone you never have

> met.

> Have a great day,

> Treasa

> clomid, sonja, ttc, esp and psychics

>

> > Hi, everyone! It's been a few days since I've checked my mail again.

> I

> > think it was Friday that I last did so. It wasn't too bad. Only

> about 60

> or

> > so. I had other mail mixed in so I don't really know. I only

> responded

> to

> > one individually, just too tired and figured I'd touch on the ones

> that I

> > could remember in this e-mail. So if I do not mention something

> important

> on

> > someone, please forgive me! As if my brain has not been fried enough

> > already, I have had nothing to resemble a schedule over the last week,

> and

> if

> > one knew what all I had been doing, they would look at me like I lost

> my

> mind

> > for claiming to be on vacation! All I know is I can't wait for this

> one

> to

> > be over. I think I am at the calmer part of it now, though. So maybe

> it

> > will be a little more relaxing. I hope!

> >

> > On the clomid discussion, I just wanted to say that I have also heard

> (or

> > read or something) that over 3-6 months it is more of a bcp, also.

> How

> much

> > truth there is to it, I don't know. But I do believe that if it has

> not

> > helped in that time, more needs to be done anyway. Just my opinion,

> for

> what

> > it's worth!

> >

> > Sonja, I wish I could be like you! You sound as if you are at peace

> with

> > your decision. I sometimes consider throwing in the towel. Not going

> on

> > bcp, but not taking temps and paying attention to my cycle, and just

> saying

> > whatever will be will be. A huge part of me believest that is the

> best

> > thing. BC I know that " whatever will be will be " is right. It

> doesn't

> > matter how well I time bd, and what my temps are, or anything else.

> If I

> am

> > supposed to hold more than my one child in my arms, it will happen at

> the

> > time it's supposed to. Not when I want it to. Unfortunately, I

> inherited

> my

> > dad's gene for stubborness (along with the grudgeholding thing--but

> that's

> > another subject), and I just won't accept what I know to be true. So

> I

> > continue to play this game month after month. I wish I could win for

> a

> > change. Anyway, I just want you to know that I admire you. And that

> I

> hope

> > your puppy search is going well.

> >

> > Now on to my sadder part of this message. I haven't really been

> feeling

> too

> > great. Some of that may have come out in my earlier post. Right now

> i

> just

> > want to cry. Unfortunately I don't have time for that tonight. I am

> 13

> > days, and DH and I have work to do. I should O within the next couple

> of

> > days. My temps have been so messed up, I don't know if I will be able

> to

> > determine the rise. I haven't been getting up for the alarm, so I

> missed

> > about 3, and I've been going to sleep at awkward hours. They have

> still

> been

> > low though, so I am hoping I will notice the rise. I've been having

> really

> > bad pains on my right side. The ones that are supposed to be

> ovulatory.

> So

> > bad that I have almost started crying bc of them. I think alot of

> that

> has

> > to do with my emotional state, though. So anyway, that is another

> reason

> I

> > think I will o soon. I have been so down for a while. Although I

> have

> > suspected a problem other than my tube, voicing that out loud has

> really

> made

> > it sink in. I told dh, the dr, my mom, and my mil. Oh, yeah! And

> you

> all

> > in this group. And now it is beginning to hurt so much. I'm going to

> be

> a

> > mess if I my suspicions are confirmed by the dr. I was looking

> forward to

> > this appt at first, and now I am so afraid. Thinking of it brings

> tears

> to

> > my eyes. I just don't know how I am going to survive this.

> >

> > My friend's mil (well almost--in a week) believes in the psychic

> thing,

> and I

> > admit, I wonder about it also. I definitely don't disbelieve. I

> haven't

> > seen evidence either way, so I am just kind of waiting for some to

> sway

> me.

> > She was telling me stories that are just weird, things that have

> happened

> to

> > me. And I kind of believe in esp. there are times some strange

> things

> have

> > happened to me. the weirdest is that the phone used to never wake me

> up,

> but

> > one night it rang and I woke up before my mom, and my dad had been in

> a

> bad

> > accident. Since then, I have believed that I somehow knew something

> was

> > wrong. this is probably about the time I started believing in psychic

> > things. anyway, let me tell you what happened with my friend's mil.

> she

> > knows about reading palms, so we were all having her read our palms on

> tues.

> > Just for fun. well, on mine, she hit so many things. she said that I

> will

> > have many minor accidents, and when I am older, I will have a severe

> > accident. I will come into large sums of money on several occasions,

> but

> > blow it. Well, i have had 2 car accidents, both of which resulted in

> minor

> > settlements. those settlements and other high amounts of money I have

> > received were always spent almost immediately. So I thought that was

> kind

> of

> > cool. accurate in a way. she said that I either have had or will

> have

> some

> > sort of pg loss. she said one, but I have had 2. So accuracy with

> > inaccuracy. and she said I will have 3 children total. and she said

> I

> have

> > esp capabilities--remember what I said about my dad's accident?! I

> just

> > thought this was kind of cool, and thought I would share. I hope no

> one

> was

> > offended in any way. like I said, I still am waiting to for absolute

> proof

> > before my beliefs are swayed in any direction. I'm considering

> calling a

> > psychic hotline to see what i'm told. Kind of dumb, huh? I guess I'm

> > getting kind of desperate.

> >

> > Well, i have more mail to read so I will go now. Talk to you all

> later!

> >

> > Amy

> >

> >

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I have never been to a psychic but I have heard stories, good and bad, about

them. It seems like you found a guardian angel in the process too.

Sharon