Re: liver problems and decrease/more questions (w/response)

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Ikam said:

<<I know it sounds that I ask questions that are already spoken about.

I remember the answers when I am well, I could tell them to others.

But when I am unwell (psychologically or/and physically), I tend to

forget, or I seem to have no access to this still new way of

thinking...

I have another question. I stopped almost all supplements around one

week ago (because of my liver). I take only Milk Thistle and

Probiotics. I am slightly worried that I need my supplements. How

shall I assess the time of re-installing them? Should I start from

smaller doses and then increase?

I still have an uncomfortable feeling on my right side, but also

more " noisy " in the intestines and rather loose, yellowish stool (not

often). I am still on a light soup diet. I am going back to work

tomorrow.

Thank you

Ikam>>

** Ikam, I think we're missing something here. Will you please put all

symptoms in list form rather than sentence form and include when each symptom

began, as well as the time line on last 3 decreases you did.

While emotions can be actual symptoms, they can also be just emotional

reactions. It is the latter if the reaction is " normal " for you under the

circumstances. Because this is what bothers you more, you write more about the

emotional part of it. This tends to cloud the picture, making it more difficult

to clearly see the actual problem.

CBT has its limitations but it addresses emotional responses/behavior quite

well. What is doesn't address well is leftover issues due to abuse, trauma,

etc. CBT teaches people how to communicate with themselves and others in a more

rational manner. When you do this, you feel better. The more a person looks at

things and responds through their emotions, the worse they will feel. When a

person is able to re-frame the issues and look at them from a more dispassionate

point of view, they feel much better. There's one requirement to do this -- a

person has to want to do it. In other words, a person has to be tired of being

controlled by their emotions.

I look forward to your response.

Regards,

>

> if i have some problems related to a liver overload, should i wait

with

> the next decrease until i am symptom free or should i go ahead?

>

> i think the quicker i finish with antidepressants the better for my

> liver. but maybe i am wrong or maybe it is too late anyway (the

damage

> has been done).

> ikam

>

>

> ** As we discussed, wait until you are symptom-free. -- C

>

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** Ikam, it looks to me like you may actually be experiencing a withdrawal from

Paracetomol. Your symptoms are consistent with this. A reminder for you -- when

giving a report on what you take, number of pills is useless. I need dosages.

--C

Recent decreases (Effexor/Venlafaxine)

24 October (after 80 days) 5% of 75mg

9 August (14 days)- reached 75mg of an initial dose 150mg

26 July (14 days)30 October- migraine- used painkillers for it

Often used paracetamol for headaches in the past

1st November- First time problems with liver (heavy feeling around a

liver, achy) - treated with a diet (soups- beetroot soup) + stopped

supplements

11 November- back with liver symptoms, again very heavy feeling, as

if I had a brick under my rib- cage on a right side. Also feeling of

strong dislike to certain foods. I felt a bitter taste in my mouth. I

was very thirsty. Craving things that are " good for the liver " , like

cooked veg, if meat- only chicken breasts, etc.

I felt somehow as if my body was poisoned. Very low energy.

stopped supplements apart from milk thistle and probiotics

started drinking dandelion tea

12 November- drank mostly water all day

13 November, big paresthesia on my hand + job stress (sudden),

crying. Feeling very disappointed

13 November- menstruation (after 24 days)

since 12 November carried on with a diet, veg soup (mostly carrot and

parsnip soup based)...

15- 16 November- had to prepare things for a presentation on 17th

November. Felt stressed out, as it was supposed to be a joint work

and I ended up on my own

17- presentation at work

Afterwards felt exhausted, decided to take time off work, up to

Friday.

Around 20 of November, more noise in my intestines, more

wind...rather loose stools, yellowish in colour (this continues).

weekend- 23-24 looked after my niece (some additional but pleasant

responsibility)

cooked a different (tomato) soup. when eating feeling nauseous almost

straight after, this continued for couple of hours, with lots of

burping...

the burping actually continued throughout, sometimes it was a kind of

empty burp

i feel somehow i cannot tolerate any fat, e.g. a bit fat in soup from

cooking. cannot even think about using oil, eating eggs, etc.

i had a strange heavy feeling on my right side for some time as if it

was something heavy there. but also some aches more in front of my

tummy. feeling rather nauseous and have no good appetite...

Back in work 25th November. Busy.

30 November- " the liver symptoms " finished. For some time now, over

one week, stool in yellowish colour, rather loose, just in the

morning. Noisy, achy intestines.

Every morning waking up with an acidic taste in a mouth and feeling

of irritated throat.

Cannot eat many things, e.g. after eating raspberries- feeling

nauseous. Have rather poor appetite. I tend to cook soups based on

chicken breasts.

Stopped eating apples one week ago.

I have some strange cravings- e.g. sauerkraut.

Added yesterday Alkalizing, cleansing drink (lemon + water + spoon of

olive oil)- pleasant feeling afterwards

Other signs/symptoms:

-every night cannot clear my mind from thinking about work

The Flower Essences I use:

- White Chestnut

- Night Rescue

- and sometimes: Cherry Plum

Supplements:

- magnesium- 4 every evening

- probiotics, primal defence- twice a day

- fish oil- in a morning

- Wobenzym- 4 twice a day

- whole food multivitamin (Mercola)- going to add soon

Homeopathic remedies:

- Pulsatilla in evening for nasal congestion

- Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum (twice a week)- for feelings of

disappointment, rather sad feelings

Stopped- Nux

Sometimes: Nat. Phos. Sodium Phosphate salts number 10

I have some deadlines/stresses ahead.

I am feeling generally emotionally better, I am feeling more and I am

getting angry in times (didn't in the past).

My therapy is going well.

I really feel I need help to sort things out, as what I do seems to

be " trial and error " ...

Ikam

> >

> > if i have some problems related to a liver overload, should i wait

> with

> > the next decrease until i am symptom free or should i go ahead?

> >

> > i think the quicker i finish with antidepressants the better for

my

> > liver. but maybe i am wrong or maybe it is too late anyway (the

> damage

> > has been done).

> > ikam

> >

> >

> > ** As we discussed, wait until you are symptom-free. -- C

> >

>