Re: homeoptahy(OT)

[Guest guest]

Phil, I have used homeopathy for 12 years. I started when my son

reacted to a vaccination. I read up on it first and then went to see

an NP who helped my 2 year old start feeling better again. It is

important to educate yourself, because it is so foreign to how we grew

up. We use it most often now for minor emergencies, like bleeding or

puncture wounds ( we have boys ) It works wonderfully. I have

used it to heal a bone in my shoulder ( it chiped when I fell down

some stairs while pregnant). I used it during labor, and it worked

very well to keep me calm and to help things move right along. I have

used for other women issues as well.

But most importantly, you need to see this as just one more area to

possibly use for healing, besides the nutrition. There are many

avenues to explore out there, and not all will fit everyone.

>

> A health practitioner that I'm considering using prcatices

homeopathy. But what I've read about it makes no sense. The

explanation I've read is that a substance is added to a carrier and

then diluted to a specific strength and shaken and voila a remedy is

made. The remedy then imparts " information " from the original

substance that provides the benefit to the patient. This almost sounds

more like a religion to me than science. If others know more about it

I would benefit from your knowledge and experience.

>

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know it sounds weird but it is kind of like vaccinations in that they give you

a piece of the disease that is very diluted so your body builds antibodies. So,

this is a very watered down form of it but your body reacts the same way. I

know it usually works because that is what I used to treat one of my dogs for

heartworm and one of the mixtures was " arsnicium " , a watered down version of

arsenic. When vets use the traditional method to treat heartworm they load them

up every day with a shot of arsenic. That is why you have to keep the dog quiet

for like 6 weeks. The homeopathic way is much less harsh on the body.

Don't know if that helps.

Allyn

homeoptahy(OT)

A health practitioner that I'm considering using prcatices homeopathy. But

what I've read about it makes no sense. The explanation I've read is that a

substance is added to a carrier and then diluted to a specific strength and

shaken and voila a remedy is made. The remedy then imparts " information " from

the original substance that provides the benefit to the patient. This almost

sounds more like a religion to me than science. If others know more about it I

would benefit from your knowledge and experience.

Phil

[Guest guest]

Homeopathy doesn't make any sense in the conventional sense. The big

question for me is whether or not it works whether it makes sense or not.

It does seem to work for me most of the time. Perhaps it is a placebo

effect but in the end, if it helps, I don't really care why.

Irene

At 12:55 PM 6/2/06, you wrote:

>A health practitioner that I'm considering using prcatices homeopathy. But

>what I've read about it makes no sense. The explanation I've read is that

>a substance is added to a carrier and then diluted to a specific strength

>and shaken and voila a remedy is made. The remedy then imparts

> " information " from the original substance that provides the benefit to the

>patient. This almost sounds more like a religion to me than science. If

>others know more about it I would benefit from your knowledge and experience.

>

>Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/2/06, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> A health practitioner that I'm considering using prcatices homeopathy. But

what I've read about it makes no sense. The explanation I've read is that a

substance is added to a carrier and then diluted to a specific strength and

shaken and voila a remedy is made. The remedy then imparts " information " from

the original substance that provides the benefit to the patient. This almost

sounds more like a religion to me than science. If others know more about it I

would benefit from your knowledge and experience.

Theoretically, homeopathy sounds like crap to me. However, I have to

admit that I've used a diarrhea homeopathic remedy in the past that

seemed to really work, and an allergy one that seemed to help just a

little bit.

On the down side, I saw an episode of Stossel's " Gimme a Break "

segment where they did a test to a homeopathic doctor's

specifications, and tested the remedies on animals or something, and

the doctor, or a group of them, I forget, were on tape saying that

they approved of the study protocol, and then the study showed the

remedies had no effect, and the doctor was again on tape saying the

study was flawed.

On the upside, there was a study that found that even when a substance

is completely diluted out of water, it leaves a " memory " in the water

of how the water assembles into crystals. On the downside again,

someone else tried replicating it and failed.

And on the downside again, homeopathy doesn't, as far as I know, have

any traditional long-term basis like acupuncture and ayurveda do -- I

think it was invented in the 19th century, when " allopaths " were

feeding people mercury and making them puke, and everyone was ignoring

mid-wives because their remedies were neither excitingly new nor

dramatic like violent reactions to mercury.

Not too surprisingly, it was found that mercury was even more

health-promoting when it was diluted to homeopathic doses.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Allyn,

> I know it sounds weird but it is kind of like vaccinations in that they give

you a >piece of the disease that is very diluted so your body builds antibodies.

It isn't really like vaccines at all, as I see it. Homeopathic

remedies often are so diluted that they don't contain even one atom or

one molecule of the substance. Vaccines usually supply a protein or

something else that can be recognized by immune cells as an antigen,

plus a costimulus that fools the body into thinking its being invaded.

Homeopathic remedies provide neither. Vaccines are tested and it is

demonstrated that there is an antibody in response to the vaccine. To

my knowledge, no one has ever run such a test on homeopathic remedies

-- if you know of one, please let me know.

I'm not defending vaccines by any means, just saying that I don't

think the mechanism by which they work or are purported to work are

very similar. To my knowledge, no homeopath claims that their remedy

elevates antibodies to the substances it contains (or doesn't contain,

much of the time), although if I'm wrong please let me know.

> So, this is a very watered down form of it but your body reacts the same way.

I >know it usually works because that is what I used to treat one of my dogs for

>heartworm and one of the mixtures was " arsnicium " , a watered down version of

>arsenic. When vets use the traditional method to treat heartworm they load

them >up every day with a shot of arsenic. That is why you have to keep the dog

quiet >for like 6 weeks. The homeopathic way is much less harsh on the body.

But antibodies to arsenic, if such could exist, wouldn't hurt the

ringworm, would they? I'm not familiar with this remedy but it sounds

more like the vet poisons the ring worm with arsenic. Either that or

there is some enzyme in the body dependent on arsenic that is normally

only expressed in small amounts or something.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

That's a definition of how remedies are made, not the difference between

allopathic and homeopathic. More sense and less dogma is like treating like. For

example, allium cepa (onion) makes your nose run and eyes water. In homeopathic,

strong concentrated doses, allium cepa will stop your nose from running. It's

like allergy shots or vaccinations where some of the hair of the dog that bit

you or could bite you makes an immunity. More like a fighting off with similar

natural substance. More complex than that. How body parts and systems feel,

look, are reacting determine which remedy treats that individual.

Wanita

At 12:55 PM 6/2/06, you wrote:

>A health practitioner that I'm considering using prcatices homeopathy. But

>what I've read about it makes no sense. The explanation I've read is that

>a substance is added to a carrier and then diluted to a specific strength

>and shaken and voila a remedy is made. The remedy then imparts

> " information " from the original substance that provides the benefit to the

>patient. This almost sounds more like a religion to me than science. If

>others know more about it I would benefit from your knowledge and experience.

>

>Phil

[Guest guest]

On 6/2/06, Wanita <wanitawa@...> wrote:

> In homeopathic, strong concentrated doses, allium cepa will stop your >nose

from running.

Wait... usually homeopathic medicines are incredibly dilute. Is the

homeopathic medicine more concentrated in this case?

>It's like allergy shots or vaccinations where some of the hair of the

dog >that bit you or could bite you makes an immunity.

Only in a very vague sense -- that the thing that hurts you can help

you. But allergy shots don't work according to a vague intuitive

sense, but by a specific mechanism, which I believe is generating IgG

in the blood to suppress the IgE production that causes the reaction

on mucus membrane surfaces. Even if homeopathic medicine is valid, it

isn't shown to be valid by the efficacy of allergy shots.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: On 6/2/06, Wanita wrote:

> In homeopathic, strong concentrated doses, allium cepa will stop your >nose

from running.

Wait... usually homeopathic medicines are incredibly dilute. Is the

homeopathic medicine more concentrated in this case?

Maybe wrong, but I think the different strength measurements are

concentrations. X more than cc and numbers before those vary potency.

>It's like allergy shots or vaccinations where some of the hair of the

dog >that bit you or could bite you makes an immunity.

Only in a very vague sense -- that the thing that hurts you can help

you. But allergy shots don't work according to a vague intuitive

sense, but by a specific mechanism, which I believe is generating IgG

in the blood to suppress the IgE production that causes the reaction

on mucus membrane surfaces. Even if homeopathic medicine is valid, it

isn't shown to be valid by the efficacy of allergy shots.

Vaccine better example. Allergy shots do use the allergen for what amounts to

temporary relief. That was my comparison.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

But antibodies to arsenic, if such could exist, wouldn't hurt the

ringworm, would they? I'm not familiar with this remedy but it sounds

more like the vet poisons the ring worm with arsenic. Either that or

there is some enzyme in the body dependent on arsenic that is normally

only expressed in small amounts or something.

Chris

Best I can do is arsenic represents to the heartworm another heartworm in

creating the same or a recognizable as similar poisoning symptom to heartworm's.

Rhus toxicondron (poison ivy) relieves itching by introducing another itch.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

no, arsenic kills the heartworm. I was using an example of how they dilute the

solution down so it is not so hard on the body.

allyn

Re: homeoptahy(OT)

But antibodies to arsenic, if such could exist, wouldn't hurt the

ringworm, would they? I'm not familiar with this remedy but it sounds

more like the vet poisons the ring worm with arsenic. Either that or

there is some enzyme in the body dependent on arsenic that is normally

only expressed in small amounts or something.

Chris

Best I can do is arsenic represents to the heartworm another heartworm in

creating the same or a recognizable as similar poisoning symptom to heartworm's.

Rhus toxicondron (poison ivy) relieves itching by introducing another itch.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

On 6/2/06, allyn ferris <aferris7272@...> wrote:

> no, arsenic kills the heartworm. I was using an example of how they dilute the

solution down so it is not so hard on the body.

Then that operates on a fundamentally " allopathic " principle -- unlike

against unlike -- not homeopathic. That's just lightening the dose.

Also I'd be willing to bet that if it was effective there was actually

some arsenic in it. It be really interested in seeing some

placebo-controlled studies of the homeopathic remedies that are so

dilute that they don't contain any of the substance they've diluted.

Chris

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