Re: Bath Soap

[Guest guest]

You should try Cal Ben Pure Soap or Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap.

http://www.calbenpuresoap.com/

http://www.drbronner.com/

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well. So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I use Dr. Bronner's. I have the same problem with coconut oil soaps (too

drying), but the Dr. Bronner's bar soap includes palm oil which conditions

well. I use it to wash my hair too. The only issue is it isn't cheaper

than standard soap... I'm still on the lookout for something cheaper.

-Lana

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well. So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have very sensitive skin prone to eczema.

That being said, I have gone through hundreds

of different soaps and shampoos. I am five

months into going poo-less because I had issues

of hair that became like hay due to dyeing.

I have been deep conditioning with coconut

oil every night and using Masters Honey

and Hibiscus reconstuctor conditioner in the

morning which removes the oily look but

doesn't strip all the oils leaving it soft

and managable. Last night I was just too

tired to massage about a tablespoon of the

coconut oil into my hair so I did without.

It looks fine this morning ! I am so excited

as my hair used to look like a cross between

hay and cotton candy ! Looks like I can ramp

down the every night coconut oil ritual and

then start looking to ramp down the conditioner

in the morning. Quite frankly, I think the

shampoo/cream rinse or conditioner routine has

been a marketers dream... strip the hair of

all it's natural oils with shampoo and then

add synthetic oils back in to try and recapture

what your hair is supposed to look like. YIKES !!!

Now, on to what soap I use. I have finally

settled on South of France Body Care liquid soap

that I found at Whole Foods. I like the lemon

mint scent and the orange blossom honey. I

have not had an eczema outbreak since starting

to use it. I have tried all sorts of shea and

olive oil bars but like you they all dried my

skin out. It has tetrasodium EDTA which I

have not been able to figure out if that is

bad or not but everything else on the ingredient

list is A-OK with me. I hope this helps !

--- In , Idol <paul.idol@...>

wrote:

>

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar

replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well.

So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with

added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't

seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are

predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine,

Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar

Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM

Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891),

PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I

could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tropical Traditions has a great shampoo bar soap along with a number of

other body care formulas and soaps. The best part is that the

ingredients are all in plain English for all their stuff, so you never

need to worry about " is this okay or not?. " I think some/most of it is

still made straight from ino traditional recipes. We use the

shampoo bars and love them... my wife went a few months ago for a

haircut at a high end salon under Locks of Love and the lady who cut

her hair couldn't believe how nice it was... especially since she uses

no conditioners, shampoos, etc... But we also don't shower overly

often, which helps your hair and skin a great deal;)

[Guest guest]

I use Dr. Bronner's, too, but I think it is drying, also. I really like the

peppermint in the summer because it is cooling.

I'm interested in hearing more about the baking soda and ACV replacement for

shampoo.

Kathy

---- Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

=============

I use Dr. Bronner's. I have the same problem with coconut oil soaps (too

drying), but the Dr. Bronner's bar soap includes palm oil which conditions

well. I use it to wash my hair too. The only issue is it isn't cheaper

than standard soap... I'm still on the lookout for something cheaper.

-Lana

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well. So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stuff you've gotten at the farmer's market?... Is it home-made, real

soap that hasn't had the glycerin removed?

I make all my own soap, wash my hair with soap with added borax (since

the water here is really hard). I have heard many times that coconut

oil in soap can be drying to some people's skin (I'm assuming that the

coconut oil they're using in soap is the cheap, refined stuff). Maybe

you could find some real soap at the farmer's market or online that

doesn't have any coconut oil at all in it.

Joy

>

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well. So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

> Tropical Traditions has a great shampoo bar soap along with a number

> of

> other body care formulas and soaps.

I tried their soap once. Felt like I'd been dipped in acid.

-

[Guest guest]

Joy-

> Stuff you've gotten at the farmer's market?... Is it home-made, real

> soap that hasn't had the glycerin removed?

Homemade real soap with sheep milk.

> I have heard many times that coconut

> oil in soap can be drying to some people's skin (I'm assuming that the

> coconut oil they're using in soap is the cheap, refined stuff). Maybe

> you could find some real soap at the farmer's market or online that

> doesn't have any coconut oil at all in it.

The sheep milk soap I got didn't have any coconut oil, and so did

another soap made with butter, but they were both quite painful

nonetheless.

-

[Guest guest]

Here is link to website that you can check out all ingredients used in

cosmetics, cleaners, etc., It will rate the products for you and you can

decide if you want to use them.

http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/

barbiec1953 wrote:

>

> I have very sensitive skin prone to eczema.

> That being said, I have gone through hundreds

> of different soaps and shampoos. I am five

> months into going poo-less because I had issues

> of hair that became like hay due to dyeing.

> I have been deep conditioning with coconut

> oil every night and using Masters Honey

> and Hibiscus reconstuctor conditioner in the

> morning which removes the oily look but

> doesn't strip all the oils leaving it soft

> and managable. Last night I was just too

> tired to massage about a tablespoon of the

> coconut oil into my hair so I did without.

> It looks fine this morning ! I am so excited

> as my hair used to look like a cross between

> hay and cotton candy ! Looks like I can ramp

> down the ever

>

[Guest guest]

If BS/ACV works well for your scalp, wouldn't it work just as well for

your skin?

It seems to do just fine for me. After I dry off, I apply it dry to

the pits -- no stink, no deodorant. If you want a fragrance, just add

a drop of your favorite essential oil. It's easier to mix that with

coconut oil, so sometimes I put that on first, then after it has

absorbed, I'll throw on BS for good measure. With a daily bath, it

seems adequate.

[Guest guest]

Joan-

> If BS/ACV works well for your scalp, wouldn't it work just as well for

> your skin?

I tried that, but the baking soda seemed to pose the exact same

problems that soap does.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Oatmeal, ground as fine as flour, with the addition of baking soda, and sea

salt makes for a great scrub. I know you're looking for soap, but I've

found that this works just as well. Here's a site, one of thousands, that

give basic recipes:

http://www.skin-care-recipes-and-remedies.com/oatmeal-scrub.html

It's great as a facial, exfoliating, adding to bath water to soften skin,

and great as a " scrub " for underarms while showering, etc. and is soothing

to skin. My 12-yo has made a number of her own little " dry soaps " using

ground oatmeal, adding drops of oil such as rice bran, almond, etc. You

simply grind it up, store it dry and make it into a paste, varying the

amount of liquid you add to suit your needs, when needed. HTH.

Sharon

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> I recently tried the baking soda and apple cider vinegar replacement

> for shampoo, and lo and behold it seems to be working very well. So

> now I'd like to try to replace bath soap with something similarly

> cheaper and healthier/less toxic.

>

> The problem is that regular soap of any kind (including stuff I've

> gotten at the farmers' market made from sheep's milk, stuff with added

> coconut oil, etc.) strips too much oil from my skin and leaves it

> feeling tender and itchy. The one thing I've found that doesn't seem

> to bother me is Dove Body Wash, but the ingredients are predictably

> nasty.

>

> > Water, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Sodium Laureth

> > Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin,

> > Petrolatum, Lauric Acid, Cocamide MEA, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium

> > Chloride, Lanolin Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid, DMDM Hydantoin,

> > Tetrasodium EDTA, Etidronic Acid, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), PEG

> > 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate (may contain)

>

> Any thoughts on something mild and preferably home-brew that I could

> replace this crap with?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

>

--

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have plenty to eat.

Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

[Guest guest]

I feel for you as I have the same problem of

most soaps stripping off all my natural oils

and my skin feeling taut and dry. I finally

found some info. on the tetrasodium edta.

It is a penetrator (whatever that means) and

is a " 1 " , a low risk on the toxicity scale.

I would love to find something that is a " 0 "

on the toxicity scale. I wrote to the South

of France soap company asking them why they

use that ingredient and we will see how they

respond. I did not like Dr.Bonners soap either

because it did the same thing to me that it did

to you. Protecting the acid mantle and our natural

oils while cleaning off the sweat,dirt and dead

skin cell is a delicate balancing act. The skin

is our biggest organ and now that we see how well

the skin absorbs transdermal medications we better

make darn sure that we put the best soaps and lotions

on our skin. I have gone to making my own skin lotion

but at this point I am not prepared to start making my

own soap ! I don't use shampoo anymore either.

--- In , Idol <paul.idol@...>

wrote:

>

> Rashad-

>

> > You should try Cal Ben Pure Soap or Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap.

> >

> > http://www.calbenpuresoap.com/

> >

> > http://www.drbronner.com/

>

> I have no idea where to find Cal Ben Pure Soap, but I just tried

Dr.

> Bronner's tonight, and it was like showering with battery acid. I

> definitely have that squeaky-flensed feeling, and any moment now I

> expect to start sweating blood.

>

> People actually use this stuff? Seriously?

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm starting to wonder if you're just exceptionally sensitive to the lye

used to make castile soap? Either that or maybe you're extremely unlucky

with getting bars that haven't aged enough...

-Lana

> I have no idea where to find Cal Ben Pure Soap, but I just tried Dr.

> Bronner's tonight, and it was like showering with battery acid. I

> definitely have that squeaky-flensed feeling, and any moment now I

> expect to start sweating blood.

>

> People actually use this stuff? Seriously?

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Lana-

> I'm starting to wonder if you're just exceptionally sensitive to the

> lye

> used to make castile soap? Either that or maybe you're extremely

> unlucky

> with getting bars that haven't aged enough...

I guess that's possible, but I'm starting to think my skin just

doesn't like alkalinity, since using baking soda was an unpleasant

experience too. (Using it as bath soap, that is; as a shampoo

replacement, it's aces.)

-

[Guest guest]

Rashad-

> If you have any serious skin problems, I suggest looking into a high

> quality

> omega 3 supplement, cutting down the consumption of grains and

> sugars, and

> increasing consumption of low glycemic vegetables.

I'm sure that would be very useful advice if I ate SAD, but I eat zero

grains, zero refined carbs, and very low levels of carbs overall,

mostly in the form of a small amount of berries and a few low-glycemic

vegetables like spinach. And I also eat minimal PUFA.

> Do you have any allergies?

To cats. And I suppose my sensitivity to mold might include an

allergic reaction.

-

[Guest guest]

,

How long have you been using baking soda for shampoo? And much and how often do

you use it?

I have used it once with a ACV rinse. Seemed to clean my hair sufficiently.

Pamela

Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

I guess that's possible, but I'm starting to think my skin just

doesn't like alkalinity, since using baking soda was an unpleasant

experience too. (Using it as bath soap, that is; as a shampoo

replacement, it's aces.)

-

---------------------------------

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Well... lye is a highly alkaline substance, worse than baking soda by far.

You might try going back to the farmer's market and talking to the

soapmakers: Ask for a soap with a high superfat percentage. (Superfat is

how much oil there is in the soap in excess of what the lye reacts to.) 5%

is about standard so you'd probably want to try a 10% superfat soap.

If that doesn't work, this is a recipe I use for cleansing areas which

shouldn't be soaped (as well as a body spray, hand sanitizer and I'm working

on a baby wipe solution based off of it):

Dissolve 1/2 tsp sea salt

in 2/3 cup warm water

add 1/3 cup 3% hydrogen peroxide

I don't know how well it cleans off dirt and grime, but it does wonders

keeping a comfortable bacterial balance on my skin. I've never used it in

the shower so I'd wonder if the constant stream of water would dilute the

H2O2 too much - it'd be great for a sponge bath though.

-Lana

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

>

> > I'm starting to wonder if you're just exceptionally sensitive to the

> > lye

> > used to make castile soap? Either that or maybe you're extremely

> > unlucky

> > with getting bars that haven't aged enough...

>

> I guess that's possible, but I'm starting to think my skin just

> doesn't like alkalinity, since using baking soda was an unpleasant

> experience too. (Using it as bath soap, that is; as a shampoo

> replacement, it's aces.)

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you !

We should all bookmark this site so

we can make wise decisions about what

we put on our skin and hair !

> >

> > I have very sensitive skin prone to eczema.

> > That being said, I have gone through hundreds

> > of different soaps and shampoos. I am five

> > months into going poo-less because I had issues

> > of hair that became like hay due to dyeing.

> > I have been deep conditioning with coconut

> > oil every night and using Masters Honey

> > and Hibiscus reconstuctor conditioner in the

> > morning which removes the oily look but

> > doesn't strip all the oils leaving it soft

> > and managable. Last night I was just too

> > tired to massage about a tablespoon of the

> > coconut oil into my hair so I did without.

> > It looks fine this morning ! I am so excited

> > as my hair used to look like a cross between

> > hay and cotton candy ! Looks like I can ramp

> > down the ever

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I have it bookmarked and use it alot. This spring I went to Mexico

on a mission trip, they really encouraged the use of sunscreen. Well I

have never worn sunscreen but decided I better buy some since I would be

out in hot sun all day. I went to several health food stores until I

found one that looked good. Wells looks can be deceiving as when I got

home and checked the ingredients they were all high up in danger levels!

I was so mad as I had paid way more for small of tube of " Healthy "

sunscreen and I could of just bought the $1.99 version. I usually try to

buy online so I have time to really research but sometimes it does not

work out.

barbiec1953 wrote:

>

> Thank you !

> We should all bookmark this site so

> we can make wise decisions about what

> we put on our skin and hair !

>

> ---

>

[Guest guest]

Someone posted this on another forum and since I

have suffered from eczema ( not so much now ) it

piqued my interest and I thought I would pass it

along to all of you as this touches on soaps,

detergents, etc.

http://home.comcast.net/~recycler100/index.html

> >

> > Thank you !

> > We should all bookmark this site so

> > we can make wise decisions about what

> > we put on our skin and hair !

> >

> > ---

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How about Khadi Soap ?

www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/skin.html

> > >

> > > Thank you !

> > > We should all bookmark this site so

> > > we can make wise decisions about what

> > > we put on our skin and hair !

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I agree. Baking soda is quite abrasive.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

>

>

> > I'm starting to wonder if you're just exceptionally sensitive to the

> > lye

> > used to make castile soap? Either that or maybe you're extremely

> > unlucky

> > with getting bars that haven't aged enough...

>

> I guess that's possible, but I'm starting to think my skin just

> doesn't like alkalinity, since using baking soda was an unpleasant

> experience too. (Using it as bath soap, that is; as a shampoo

> replacement, it's aces.)

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Did you find anything that worked as a soap replacement? I just moved and

now have very hard water - I'm not sure about the PH but I'll be able to

give more details as soon as I get to the pet store to have the water tested

for my fish. I'm getting a very tight feeling in my skin from the Dr.

Bronners with the new water and I'm not liking it so much. I was hoping you

found a nice alternative. I'll probably be using my peroxide mix in the

meantime - at least until I can whip up a salt scrub.

Thanks!

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Lana-

> Did you find anything that worked as a soap replacement?

Sadly, no. I got a bottle of the South of France soap someone

recommended, and while it's just barely enough of an improvement over

Dr. Bronner's to use (partly because it's so expensive that I can't

afford to chuck it) I'm still on my quest for something better.

> I'll probably be using my peroxide mix in the

> meantime - at least until I can whip up a salt scrub.

I'm not sure putting peroxide on your skin on a regular basis is a

good idea...

-