Re: Potassium and Manganese: Coconut Water

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Where did you order it from? It's pricey everywhere I go. At least to

drink more than one a day.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:42 AM

Subject: Potassium and Manganese: Coconut Water

We've talked in the past about how to get the RDA of potassium, which

seems really high, and also Lana has posted about how to get

manganese.

Recently I've ordered some commercial coconut water taken from young

coconuts in Brazil. There are a number of sources. Out of the two

I've tried, Zico and Vita Coco, I really like Zico.

Aside from tasting awesome, it is loaded with minerals, most of which

probably aren't listed. To get the RDA of potassium, you only need to

drink five 11-ounce servings, which gives you only 300 calories. To

get the RDA of manganese, you only need two servings, which gives you

120 calories.

Of course, it is pretty carby, but still, at 100% RDA of potassium for

300 carb calories, that's doing pretty well. And it is amenable to

kefiring, which will get rid of some of the carbs.

Chris

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Dawn,

> Where did you order it from? It's pricey everywhere I go. At least to

> drink more than one a day.

I ordered it from a food coop. It's definitely on the expensive side,

about $2 or so per 11-ounce serving, though if you order a case you

can get it down around $1.59 I think. I got Vita Coco from Grian and

Salt Society but I enjoyed the taste of the Zico better, which was a

little more expensive.

Chris

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Thanks, Chris. I love the stuff and I feel better when I have at least one

a day. Budget's tight with the baby. Amazon.com's grocery had one of the

best prices I found but I'll keep looking! My hubby is hooked on them now

too and he's got high blood pressure so I think they are good for him for

that.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: Potassium and Manganese: Coconut Water

Dawn,

> Where did you order it from? It's pricey everywhere I go. At least to

> drink more than one a day.

I ordered it from a food coop. It's definitely on the expensive side,

about $2 or so per 11-ounce serving, though if you order a case you

can get it down around $1.59 I think. I got Vita Coco from Grian and

Salt Society but I enjoyed the taste of the Zico better, which was a

little more expensive.

Chris

[Guest guest]

..

>I got Vita Coco from Grian and

>Salt Society but I enjoyed the taste of the Zico better, which was a

>little more expensive.

isn't all coconut water pastuerized? i would think it would lose some of the

benefit from this, right?

amanda

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,

> isn't all coconut water pastuerized? i would think it would lose some of

> the benefit from this, right?

Yeah, I believe it's pasteurized, but I doubt that gives any major

drawback to it since the minerals are the main thing we're after and

since it's virtually protein- and fat-free, and it's mostly proteins

that get damaged by pasteurization. Also, I'm kefiring most of it, so

anything that happens to it after kefiring doesn't get negated by the

pasteurization.

More importantly, I think, the benefit is that it's packaged in Brazil

when the coconuts are fresh. When I was buying cases of young

coconuts a couple years ago from Whole Foods, one out of three had

purplish colors indicating coconut-specific mold, and the others were

often questionable -- i.e. didn't seem abundantly freshly white and

might have had visible purple tinge if given more time. I'm on the

east coast; someone on the west coast said they got them from WF and

they were all perfectly fresh.

Anyway, this way the coconut is processed quickly when fresh and by

the time it gets to me, probably has virtually zero mold. I noticed

last time that when I got my own young coconut water, it made my mouth

slightly itchy if I didn't ferment it. By contrast, this stuff is

totally awesome when fresh and doesn't bother me at all, just makes me

feel good, even if I don't ferment it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris

How did this compare to what you have found..

http://tinyurl.com/692szh

Thanks

-Dan.

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Chris

Masterjohn

> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:42 AM

>

> Subject: Potassium and Manganese: Coconut Water

>

>

>

> We've talked in the past about how to get the RDA of potassium,

which

> seems really high, and also Lana has posted about how to get

> manganese.

>

> Recently I've ordered some commercial coconut water taken from young

> coconuts in Brazil. There are a number of sources. Out of the two

> I've tried, Zico and Vita Coco, I really like Zico.

>

> Aside from tasting awesome, it is loaded with minerals, most of

which

> probably aren't listed. To get the RDA of potassium, you only need

to

> drink five 11-ounce servings, which gives you only 300 calories. To

> get the RDA of manganese, you only need two servings, which gives

you

> 120 calories.

>

> Of course, it is pretty carby, but still, at 100% RDA of potassium

for

> 300 carb calories, that's doing pretty well. And it is amenable to

> kefiring, which will get rid of some of the carbs.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> More importantly, I think, the benefit is that it's packaged in Brazil

> when the coconuts are fresh. When I was buying cases of young

> coconuts a couple years ago from Whole Foods, one out of three had

> purplish colors indicating coconut-specific mold, and the others were

> often questionable -- i.e. didn't seem abundantly freshly white and

> might have had visible purple tinge if given more time. I'm on the

> east coast; someone on the west coast said they got them from WF and

> they were all perfectly fresh.

While there is a WF right across the street from where I live, the

young coconuts are expensive ($2.99 per coconut). The package coconut

drinks at WF are pretty spendy as well. I can get the young coconuts

from Central Market for a little over $1 per coconut. To avoid the

mold problem they can be bought on the day they arrive or soon

thereafter. Also Central checks their coconuts thoroughly for mold. I

have been drinking them quite a bit during the Lenten fast, sometimes

three or more per day.

--

" And true manhood is shown not in the choice of a celibate life. On

the contrary, the prize in the contest of men is won by him who has

trained himself by the discharge of the duties of husband and father

and by the supervision of a household, regardless of pleasure and

pain. It is won by him, I say, who in the midst of his solicitude for

his family, shows himself inseparable from the love of God. "

- Clement of andria

[Guest guest]

Dan,

> Chris

>

> How did this compare to what you have found..

>

> http://tinyurl.com/692szh

Obviously you can't drink this stuff straight. Do you have a breakdown

of how a couple of tablespoons in water compares to a serving a

coconut water?

--

" And true manhood is shown not in the choice of a celibate life. On

the contrary, the prize in the contest of men is won by him who has

trained himself by the discharge of the duties of husband and father

and by the supervision of a household, regardless of pleasure and

pain. It is won by him, I say, who in the midst of his solicitude for

his family, shows himself inseparable from the love of God. "

- Clement of andria

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and others,

Would dissolving eggs shells in AVC or coconut vingear and adding a

tablespoon or so to water be a good (and cost effective) substitute

perhaps? Could we also add some coconut cream concentrate to help

balance it out?

What are other good sources of potassium and manganese?

[Guest guest]

here is a source of fresh organic coconut water

http://www.naturesjuicecoop.com/prod_details.php?id=3

> >I got Vita Coco from Grian and

> >Salt Society but I enjoyed the taste of the Zico better, which was a

> >little more expensive.

>

>

> isn't all coconut water pastuerized? i would think it would lose some of the

benefit from

this, right?

>

> amanda

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Well at the moment, by far the best option for me is the packaged

> drinks. I don't know of a market where I can get them very fresh or

> where they sell them still in the green hull. The Zico tastes very

> fresh and good, and I think there is some value to having them

> processed right at the source, despite whatever potential drawbacks of

> flash heating.

Yeah, I was just throwing that out there for future reference.

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--

" And true manhood is shown not in the choice of a celibate life. On

the contrary, the prize in the contest of men is won by him who has

trained himself by the discharge of the duties of husband and father

and by the supervision of a household, regardless of pleasure and

pain. It is won by him, I say, who in the midst of his solicitude for

his family, shows himself inseparable from the love of God. "

- Clement of andria

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

> here is a source of fresh organic coconut water

> http://www.naturesjuicecoop.com/prod_details.php?id=3

Wow! I don't think I have ever seen someone offer raw chicken ceviche before.

I wonder if the coconut water is unpasteurized. They use raw

throughout the site to describe everything else but they do not use it

in the detail describing their coconut water.

--

" And true manhood is shown not in the choice of a celibate life. On

the contrary, the prize in the contest of men is won by him who has

trained himself by the discharge of the duties of husband and father

and by the supervision of a household, regardless of pleasure and

pain. It is won by him, I say, who in the midst of his solicitude for

his family, shows himself inseparable from the love of God. "

- Clement of andria

[Guest guest]

wow, what a great site! if you click on something to buy it will direct you to

the info page and tell you about becoming a member. click on the member info

link and it says that the juices are not heated above 99 degrees.

amanda

I wonder if the coconut water is unpasteurized. They use raw

throughout the site to describe everything else but they do not use it

in the detail describing their coconut water.

.

[Guest guest]

[Chris] Recently I've ordered some commercial coconut water taken from young

> coconuts in Brazil. There are a number of sources. Out of the two

> I've tried, Zico and Vita Coco, I really like Zico.

>

> Aside from tasting awesome, it is loaded with minerals, most of which

> probably aren't listed. To get the RDA of potassium, you only need to

> drink five 11-ounce servings, which gives you only 300 calories. To

> get the RDA of manganese, you only need two servings, which gives you

> 120 calories.

Even though potassium is abundant in so many common foods that it's

one of the easiest nutrients to get and doesn't even call for

monitoring and calculations generally, coconut water is certainly

remarkable for its mineral density. The topic is timely for me

because just last week I discovered green coconuts in my local

Vietnamese supermarket (Philadelphia) for the first time! It was a

tremendous surprise because I've shopped there for several years and

routinely buy the young coconuts (the ones cut to the white layer with

the pointy top and soft meat inside). They were labelled as " water

coconuts " in the store. Maybe it's just a seasonal offering.

Unfortunately they were nearly $3 a piece, whereas the young coconuts

I usually get are about $11-13 for a case of 9 depending on the time

of year, or about $1.50 individually. The water tasted much different

than the coconut water I'm accustomed to from the white pointies (a

new name I'll use for clarity here). It was much fresher and cleaner

tasting. In fact, it tasted just like the frozen or bottled coconut

water I've had now and again, the sort you're likely referring to.

This may be passe for folks who've visited or lived in the tropics and

seen endless large green globes like this, but it was an exciting

moment in the life of this coconut connoisseur who'd never seen one

before!

As far as getting the young ones fresh, I always walk into the back

room and either walk into the giant cooler room myself if nobody's

around or somehow communicate to one of the ladies usually back there

preparing veggies that I want a case of young coconuts and they bring

one out. In the cooler room they have huge stacks of dozens of cases

of them and they're typically quite fresh. This is the in-the-know

alternative to buying one of the cases out on display at room temp.

Even though they don't really speak English, they seem used to

fetching cases of coconuts and at worst I've simply grabbed a display

young coconut and waved it to them to communicate.

By the way, I decided to start dabbling in the world of old coconuts

to get freshly grated hard meat. Can anyone recommend a good grater

for this?

Mike

[Guest guest]

>

> > here is a source of fresh organic coconut water

> > http://www.naturesjuicecoop.com/prod_details.php?id=3

>

> Wow! I don't think I have ever seen someone offer raw chicken ceviche

before.

>

> I wonder if the coconut water is unpasteurized. They use raw

> throughout the site to describe everything else but they do not use it

> in the detail describing their coconut water.

I emailed them about this and they said nothing they have is pasteurized,

processed or heated.

Suze

[Guest guest]

We have a large mostly-Asian supermarket that has the young coconuts

by the case, kept in the cooler. They have high turnover there. I

much prefer those to Whole Foods or other stores that stock the same

brand (non-organic - thanks WF!) but are old and gross, or to the

pasteurized kind. Granted, I've only tried one brand of the packaged

kind, I forget which (but it had Brazilian coconuts), and it didn't

taste nearly as good as these fresh Thai ones. There's some labor

involved in getting to the juice and meat, but it's not prohibitive to

me. Occasionally there's a bad one in there, but at 9 for $10, it's

not so painful.

I was pleasantly surprised to discover how much better I suddenly felt

after drinking fresh coconut juice. I'm concerned about how many

minerals I lose out here sweating in the heat! The fresh meat is an

excellent addition to smoothies.

Gray, Chandler, AZ

[Guest guest]

Suze,

> I emailed them about this and they said nothing they have is pasteurized,

> processed or heated.

Then it looks like a great site.

--

" And true manhood is shown not in the choice of a celibate life. On

the contrary, the prize in the contest of men is won by him who has

trained himself by the discharge of the duties of husband and father

and by the supervision of a household, regardless of pleasure and

pain. It is won by him, I say, who in the midst of his solicitude for

his family, shows himself inseparable from the love of God. "

- Clement of andria