pork

[Guest guest]

I read on the Modern Herbalist's website that people trying to recover from

candida should avoid pork. Anyone know why?

[Guest guest]

I think it is a cured meat (ie cured with chemicals). Bacon and ham are

both cured, so maybe pork is too. I avoid all of those meats.

Ali

At 10:29 p.m. 22/01/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>I read on the Modern Herbalist's website that people trying to recover from

>candida should avoid pork. Anyone know why?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/03 2:04:16 AM Central Standard Time,

annmalia@... writes:

> I read on the Modern Herbalist's website that people trying to recover from

> candida should avoid pork. Anyone know why?

>

>

>

Supposedly it is because Pork has a tendency to collect mold.

Hanida

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanne:

I came across the same problem awhile back. I had read bad things about

pork, yet some islanders like the Okinawans are known to be one of the

longest lived and healthy peoples in the industrial world, and the Okinawans

are known to be serious " pork eaters. " When the topic was brought up on the

Weston Price forum, some mentioned that Sally Fallon is Jewish and in

respect to that she and Enig decided to leave out pork in their

Nourishing Traditions book. Seems to have been avoided for religious

reasons--i.e. not a clean animal. I'm a Christian, so definitely respect

that. However, as a Christian, I adhere to the New Testament wherein we are

no longer bound to the laws of the Old Testament. Jesus said in the New

Testament that it is not was goes into a person's mouth that defiles him,

but rather what comes out of it. (Meaning the bad things we say that really

comes from our hearts). So, I do eat pork and have been looking for a good

source of it. So far I only have a source for bacon that I'm comfortable

with. Does the place you order from ship? Where are they located? I'm in

Los Angeles, California.

Thanks,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

I have read in numerous articles not to eat pork but no one has ever

really explained why. I rather enjoy pork and buy a 1/2 hog from an

organic grass fed farmer once or twice a year. I have nitrate and msg

bacon and bratwurst made from it along with pork chops and ground pork.

Anyone care to comment on this?

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanne,

Like Marla I am also a Christian, but I do stay away from Pork!

Not only because of my religious believes (Leviticus 11), but because they are

truly " unclean " animals.

I am from the Dominican Republic, people there eat lots of pork, and I have

seemed how they raised them. Pork literally eat garbage, anything that is

rotten they would eat. Have you tried leaving a piece of pork outside the

refrigerator? ACTUALLY I don't recommend it. The meat would literary grow

worms in just a few days! Just think about what it can do to us. Some of us

do not digest food well (another reason for Candida), especially meat, so

imagine what can happen inside the stomach.

I am sure everyone who joined this group is looking for a healthier lifestyle. I

always do my research before putting anything in my mouth - " Garbage in -

Garbage out " .

Hope this does not offend anyone, that's not my intention. This is just to

think about.

Ana

marla <talithakumi@...> wrote:

Hi Jeanne:

I came across the same problem awhile back. I had read bad things about

pork, yet some islanders like the Okinawans are known to be one of the

longest lived and healthy peoples in the industrial world, and the Okinawans

are known to be serious " pork eaters. " When the topic was brought up on the

Weston Price forum, some mentioned that Sally Fallon is Jewish and in

respect to that she and Enig decided to leave out pork in their

Nourishing Traditions book. Seems to have been avoided for religious

reasons--i.e. not a clean animal. I'm a Christian, so definitely respect

that. However, as a Christian, I adhere to the New Testament wherein we are

no longer bound to the laws of the Old Testament. Jesus said in the New

Testament that it is not was goes into a person's mouth that defiles him,

but rather what comes out of it. (Meaning the bad things we say that really

comes from our hearts). So, I do eat pork and have been looking for a good

source of it. So far I only have a source for bacon that I'm comfortable

with. Does the place you order from ship? Where are they located? I'm in

Los Angeles, California.

Thanks,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

I have read in numerous articles not to eat pork but no one has ever

really explained why. I rather enjoy pork and buy a 1/2 hog from an

organic grass fed farmer once or twice a year. I have nitrate and msg

bacon and bratwurst made from it along with pork chops and ground pork.

Anyone care to comment on this?

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeanne,

I see nothing wrong with having pork. I love bacon!

Bee

> I have read in numerous articles not to eat pork but no one has ever

> really explained why. I rather enjoy pork and buy a 1/2 hog from an

> organic grass fed farmer once or twice a year. I have nitrate and

msg

> bacon and bratwurst made from it along with pork chops and ground

pork.

>

> Anyone care to comment on this?

>

> Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hello :

Not to cause trouble here, but rather to continue examining the situation,

all meat left out unrefrigerated could potentially end up with worms-- beef

and chicken and fish included. And we know that Jesus ate fish.

Technically, the meat doesn't " grow " worms, but rather flies or other

parasites can get to the meat and lay eggs there which eventually hatch into

your worms. But only if allowed access to it. But when you consider other

animals, chickens scratch through the feces of other animals to get the

grubs then need. They love it. That's part of what they do when they

free--range. " Actually, chickens that eat insects and grubs are better for

you, than the ones that do not. But I'm sure it's not such an appetizing

sight to see them clawing through poop. You brought up a good point about

how the pigs are raised. Unfortunately, today it is very common for pigs to

be raised in appalling conditions, and that is why it is important to have a

good reputable source for your pork. Pigs left free to search their own

food eat roots, tubers, and truffles and such. They don't have much choice

when people give them garbage. Although pigs look pretty slobbery, they can

be pretty clean animals. (And sweet, too. Heh. My dad had a pet pig when

he was a kid, and that pig acted a lot like a dog. He was very sad during

the war when they had to eventually eat him. Wah.)

Regarding the quality of pigs during the Old Testament, I have read

discussion that possibly pigs were not allowed because the Jews at the time

were nomadic, and pigs were not able to be raised healthfully in those

situations. Don't know how accurate that is, but I do know that the New

Testament did pronounce all foods given to us from God as clean. (I assume

that to mean whole foods and not industrialized processed foods). If you

adhere to the New Testament, check out Acts 10:9-16. Specifically regarding

animals. I would hardly call an animal created by God, garbage.

Take care,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

Hi Jeanne,

Like Marla I am also a Christian, but I do stay away from Pork!

Not only because of my religious believes (Leviticus 11), but because they

are truly " unclean " animals.

I am from the Dominican Republic, people there eat lots of pork, and I have

seemed how they raised them. Pork literally eat garbage, anything that is

rotten they would eat. Have you tried leaving a piece of pork outside the

refrigerator? ACTUALLY I don't recommend it. The meat would literary grow

worms in just a few days! Just think about what it can do to us. Some of

us do not digest food well (another reason for Candida), especially meat, so

imagine what can happen inside the stomach.

I am sure everyone who joined this group is looking for a healthier

lifestyle. I always do my research before putting anything in my mouth -

Garbage in - Garbage out " .

Hope this does not offend anyone, that's not my intention. This is just to

think about.

Ana

[Guest guest]

I think it is because Pigs do not have sweat glands, etc. They do not

excrete out the poisons and toxins the way a cow or goat would. Anything they

eat

goes right into the meat. That is the huge problem with what is considered

scavenger animals and fish. That is why people are poisoned by shellfish so

often. Most shellfish will even hang out by places that sewage comes out of

because that is what they eat. They are designed to clean up the ocean,

rivers and lakes. Pigs, likewise, are scavengers and known to eat anything

and

their bodies designed to store it. That is why it is so important to really

really cook pork well. Pigs are smart animals and likeable but after

researching my health studies -- I gave up all scavenger stuff like Pigs and

shellfish.... not for religious reasons but for health reasons. We get organic

(no

nitrates, etc.) beef and turkey bacon and it tastes just fine. You could do

a search on the web and I'm sure get a lot of information on the pro's and

con's.

In a message dated 5/25/2005 11:43:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,

jeannekrieg@... writes:

I have read in numerous articles not to eat pork but no one has ever

really explained why. I rather enjoy pork and buy a 1/2 hog from an

organic grass fed farmer once or twice a year. I have nitrate and msg

bacon and bratwurst made from it along with pork chops and ground pork.

Anyone care to comment on this?

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I f I may reply. Pigs are scavageners and pork is still not good to eat today,

along with shrimp, lobsters and catfish, I totally stay away from all pork, It

was the only animal that Jesus killed if you remember the story of the demon man

and the pigs. And when you are trying to bring our bodies back to health I would

advise not to eat it, The Makers Diet book is a really good book to read about

this.

marla <talithakumi@...> wrote:Hello :

Not to cause trouble here, but rather to continue examining the situation,

all meat left out unrefrigerated could potentially end up with worms-- beef

and chicken and fish included. And we know that Jesus ate fish.

Technically, the meat doesn't " grow " worms, but rather flies or other

parasites can get to the meat and lay eggs there which eventually hatch into

your worms. But only if allowed access to it. But when you consider other

animals, chickens scratch through the feces of other animals to get the

grubs then need. They love it. That's part of what they do when they

free--range. " Actually, chickens that eat insects and grubs are better for

you, than the ones that do not. But I'm sure it's not such an appetizing

sight to see them clawing through poop. You brought up a good point about

how the pigs are raised. Unfortunately, today it is very common for pigs to

be raised in appalling conditions, and that is why it is important to have a

good reputable source for your pork. Pigs left free to search their own

food eat roots, tubers, and truffles and such. They don't have much choice

when people give them garbage. Although pigs look pretty slobbery, they can

be pretty clean animals. (And sweet, too. Heh. My dad had a pet pig when

he was a kid, and that pig acted a lot like a dog. He was very sad during

the war when they had to eventually eat him. Wah.)

Regarding the quality of pigs during the Old Testament, I have read

discussion that possibly pigs were not allowed because the Jews at the time

were nomadic, and pigs were not able to be raised healthfully in those

situations. Don't know how accurate that is, but I do know that the New

Testament did pronounce all foods given to us from God as clean. (I assume

that to mean whole foods and not industrialized processed foods). If you

adhere to the New Testament, check out Acts 10:9-16. Specifically regarding

animals. I would hardly call an animal created by God, garbage.

Take care,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

Hi Jeanne,

Like Marla I am also a Christian, but I do stay away from Pork!

Not only because of my religious believes (Leviticus 11), but because they

are truly " unclean " animals.

I am from the Dominican Republic, people there eat lots of pork, and I have

seemed how they raised them. Pork literally eat garbage, anything that is

rotten they would eat. Have you tried leaving a piece of pork outside the

refrigerator? ACTUALLY I don't recommend it. The meat would literary grow

worms in just a few days! Just think about what it can do to us. Some of

us do not digest food well (another reason for Candida), especially meat, so

imagine what can happen inside the stomach.

I am sure everyone who joined this group is looking for a healthier

lifestyle. I always do my research before putting anything in my mouth -

Garbage in - Garbage out " .

Hope this does not offend anyone, that's not my intention. This is just to

think about.

Ana

[Guest guest]

Amen Ana!!!!

I am with you all the way regarding pork!!!! True true!!!!

Rose Marie

[Guest guest]

The pork thing is something about the animal being so close to the human in some

form, not sure if it is just diet, or genetics, but the cellular make up of a

pig is so close to ours that it is very difficult to digest, rather than a grass

eating cloven hooved animal such as a bovine or goat.

Something very scientific about it as well as Biblical! Whereas a chicken, even

though it may eat yucky things, is not as closely formed as we are.

Sorry for the unscientific description, I'll see if I can find something that

tells it like it is.

I also gave up pork, not because it made me sick, but something did not seem

right about it. Pigs are very smart animals, and I feel so very sad about the

way they keep them in the farm factories. It is like a horrible nightmare.

Rose Marie

[Guest guest]

Thyme2Begin,

Are scallops shellfish? I just bought a pound of them. I guess

shrimp are shellfish? I don't know what scavengers are. I knew pigs

were and those fish that clean fish tanks. Could you name some common

ones or did you already?

Barb

>

> I think it is because Pigs do not have sweat glands, etc. They do

not

> excrete out the poisons and toxins the way a cow or goat would.

Anything they eat

> goes right into the meat. That is the

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Good point about the raw meat in Sally's book. The reference I made to

Sally being Jewish was from what went on in a past discussion years ago on

the Weston Price forum regarding pork. It was not from my personal

knowledge of her. The study affecting the blood and the use of pork to

raise cancer cells is interesting. I'd need to look more into that. Would

be interesting to know exactly what changes in the blood were made. As far

as I know another good medium for which to grow cells is eggs. Chicken eggs

It would be interesting to know what medium is used to grow HeLa cells.

The book Conspiracy of Cells tells what the medium is, but I can't remember

it at the moment. Although pork doesn't sound familiar to be the medium.

(course HeLa cells are so virulent they probably grow on any medium, ha).

Then on the other hand you did mention that Sally wrote that the Georgians

and Okinawans regularly ate pork and are considered quite healthy. ALSO,

the Weston Price Org encourages people to eat their traditional diets. I'm

a Pacific Islander. We traditionally eat LOTS of pork. It's cooked in so

many of our dishes and in so many ways. So then are we exempt from eating a

main staple of our traditional diet? (In addition to pork we also

traditionally eat lots of seafoods including all kinds of shellfish, yikes,

what's an island girl to do?)

Thanks for the food for thought.

Marla

-- [ ] Re: Pork

I do not know if Sally is a Jew or not. I do not think Jews eat raw meat!

I have never

heard of it if they do and there are raw meat recipes in her book.

Anyway, Sally says some researchers believe pork products should be

avoided because they may contribute to cancer. There is some info in her

book on pages 18, 32, and 61. She says, " Investigation into the effects

of pork consumption on blood chemistry has revealed serious changes for

several hours after pork is consumed. The pork used was organic, free of

trichinosis, so the changes that occurred in the blood were due to some

other factor , possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork

is one of the best mediums for feeding the growth of cancer cells. " She

goes on to say, " However in fairness it must be noted that many groups

noted for their longevity, such as inhabitants of the

Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet on

a daily basis. " This is the NT, 1999 and 2001 edition.

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose Marie:

I have never heard about pork being difficult to digest because its form is

so close to humans. Could you supply some reference to that? It would seem

just the opposite to me. Our bodies are constantly remodeling and we are

constantly breaking down our own cells and making new ones. If our bodies

normally break down our own cells, why should pork be any more difficult to

break down? I would think something more foreign would be harder to break

down.

I also don't like the way commercial pigs are raised today, so I don't eat

those and actually discourage anyone from eating those, too.

In regards to the Bible, as I mentioned in my previous post to Ana, Acts

10:9-16 seems to indicate that pork would be allowable to us Christians. It

seems that the eating of certain animals falls into the dispensational

scenarios in the Bible--i.e. before the sin of Adam and Eve, we only ate

vegetation. Then after the flood, God allowed man to eat animals. Then in

Acts 10:9-16, God proclaimed all animals clean. There's a reason for the

changes. Just as there is a reason for the Old and New Testaments--the laws

in the Old Testament were a " tutor " for us, but once Jesus came and died for

us, were are no longer bound to the laws of the Old Testament. We are under

a new law--the law of Christ. Check out Galatians. It's explained very

well there.

Take care,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

The pork thing is something about the animal being so close to the human in

some form, not sure if it is just diet, or genetics, but the cellular make

up of a pig is so close to ours that it is very difficult to digest, rather

than a grass eating cloven hooved animal such as a bovine or goat.

Something very scientific about it as well as Biblical! Whereas a chicken,

even though it may eat yucky things, is not as closely formed as we are.

Sorry for the unscientific description, I'll see if I can find something

that tells it like it is.

I also gave up pork, not because it made me sick, but something did not seem

right about it. Pigs are very smart animals, and I feel so very sad about

the way they keep them in the farm factories. It is like a horrible

nightmare.

Rose Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon:

Regarding bringing the body back to health, you might want to check out the

Kwasniewski Diet. It's a high fat diet which includes lots of pork recipes.

Many people have claimed healing from various illnesses on this diet high

in pork.

I already commented in another post about scavenger type animals, however, I

just want to make a comment on your reference to Jesus killing the pigs that

the demons from the possessed man went into. There were actually 2 men

possessed by demons, and when the demons saw Jesus, they begged Jesus to

send them into the swine if He was going to cast them out of the men. So

Jesus did sent the demons into the herd of swine, and then the " demons " ran

the swine over the cliff into the sea which killed them--Jesus did not kill

the swine, the demons did. Check it out-- 8:28-32.

Take care,

Marla

-------Original Message-------

I f I may reply. Pigs are scavageners and pork is still not good to eat today,

along with shrimp, lobsters and catfish, I totally stay away from all pork, It

was the only animal that Jesus killed if you remember the story of the demon man

and the pigs. And when you are trying to bring our bodies back to health I would

advise not to eat it, The Makers Diet book is a really good book to read about

this.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marla,

I am also a Christian, but I fear talking about the Bible and Jesus in these

groups because people get so upset. I also subscribe to the other candida site,

and I simply talked about Creationism vs. Evolution, and they went bolistic!

I am really glad we can be open with the verses of the Bible on this forum. At

least I think it is ok.

I will try to get the articles I am thinking of very soon about the pork.

Even though Jesus came to reveal a far superior love for God than only the law,

He never strayed away from the law, and even though God says that all may be

legal for a Christian, He also said through the Apostle that not all is

good for us, even though it is lawful. So, I guess I really would stick with the

old law on the pork issue, because it was such a fundamental concept regarding

the way the animals were created. Wasn't it Genesis that God described the

different fleshes? And was it in Leviticus that he speaks of the cloven hoove

being ok to eat, except for ......

Anyway, I will try to find those articles!

In the long run, pork would probably not hurt a candida clean up, at least I

would not think so, but who knows? And since I have been eating pork all my life

(until last year) I would guess it is not going to be that harmful, but not

sure. Maybe some folks out there have stories about how different they feel

since giving up pork. I really have not noticed any change. For me it is more of

a philisophical issue...and I want to do as God has asked and layed out in the

plan for me to be well. So for that reason, I was feeling convicted to give it

up last year, and really it was an issue with the Holy Spirit!

Not to get religious here, folks, just an explanation.

Thanks!

Rose Marie

[Guest guest]

On May 27, 2005, at 9:42 AM, rose marie belforti wrote:

> Hi Marla,

> I am also a Christian, but I fear talking about the Bible and Jesus

> in these groups because people get so upset. I also subscribe to the

> other candida site, and I simply talked about Creationism vs.

> Evolution, and they went bolistic!

> I am really glad we can be open with the verses of the Bible on this

> forum. At least I think it is ok.

I, for one, have been a lurker on both these websites, for the most

part and I find any talk about God to be off-topic and unhelpful, for

what its worth. I am looking for straightforward scientific or

anecdotal evidence and advice about candida. Also, this whole

discussion about pork has had very little to do with candida regardless

of whether or not religion is mentioned, as far as I can tell.

I think others might agree with me that it would be helpful in this

particular forum to keep the discussion about candida and its cures and

leave the side discussions for other forums or offlist correspondence.

It may or may not be my place to say this, maybe the moderator will

have something to say, but that is my 2 cents.

Hopefully, when I have made some progress with my own situation I will

have more to contribute to this forum, but for now I am here to sort

through the facts. Talk of religion is not pertinent except for as a

means of spiritual support in coping with our troubles, and we all have

our own brand of religion, so I believe it should be left out.

-Moon

[Guest guest]

The stuff about pigs not having sweat glands makes sense. A

friend of mine who was Jewish said Jews were forbidden to

eat scavenger animals (she and her family were liberal, and

even kept leavened bread in the house during Passover, which

is not to be done!). Some of the allowed animals are

themselves scavengers (carp, for instance), so the lack of

sweat glands makes a lot of sense.

glenn

[Guest guest]

I myself am not picky about occasional off-topic posts as long

as they don't turn into a marathon or degenerate into flaming and

name-calling.

I'm now a moderator on two other as well as this one, and

owner of another. I've seen that the off-topic discussions usually don't

last too long and die out quickly, like we hope candida overgrowth will.

:-)

If Bee has other ideas I will follow her directions, but I tend to be

lenient if the posts don't turn into arguments.

Zack

On Fri, 27 May 2005, Mark Mattoon wrote:

>

> On May 27, 2005, at 9:42 AM, rose marie belforti wrote:

>

> > Hi Marla,

> > I am also a Christian, but I fear talking about the Bible and Jesus

> > in these groups because people get so upset. I also subscribe to the

> > other candida site, and I simply talked about Creationism vs.

> > Evolution, and they went bolistic!

> > I am really glad we can be open with the verses of the Bible on this

> > forum. At least I think it is ok.

>

> I think others might agree with me that it would be helpful in this

> particular forum to keep the discussion about candida and its cures and

> leave the side discussions for other forums or offlist correspondence.

>

> It may or may not be my place to say this, maybe the moderator will

> have something to say, but that is my 2 cents.

>

[Guest guest]

I do not know if Sally is a Jew or not. I do not think Jews eat raw meat!

I have never

heard of it if they do and there are raw meat recipes in her book.

Anyway, Sally says some researchers believe pork products should be

avoided because they may contribute to cancer. There is some info in her

book on pages 18, 32, and 61. She says, " Investigation into the effects

of pork consumption on blood chemistry has revealed serious changes for

several hours after pork is consumed. The pork used was organic, free of

trichinosis, so the changes that occurred in the blood were due to some

other factor , possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork

is one of the best mediums for feeding the growth of cancer cells. " She

goes on to say, " However in fairness it must be noted that many groups

noted for their longevity, such as inhabitants of the

Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet on

a daily basis. " This is the NT, 1999 and 2001 edition.

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am a young marrie woman living in Australia and candida is ruining my

life in every way. How long is this diet meant to go for? What are

the best herbal medication to buy for it? I don't even know if i'm

doing this properly sorry if i am not.

[Guest guest]

Hi

The best thing to do is go on the diet first and you will feel better. After

awhile you will feel the best you have in years. That is when you might start

adding in some anti-fungals etc but you don't have to.

Instead of overwhelming yourself with all of this just go to the files and read

or re-read the diet portion of it. Just start with that. All of us were so

overwhelmed at first when we started out doing this and there is such great

information in the files I would just start reading.

Read, do the diet, drink lots of water, get plenty of rest.

It will work.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I tried CandiGONE for a while and it worked for me. Also, I take Alli-Cinn

(garlic pill) and Caprilic Acid at least once a day.

Visit:

wwwrenewlife for more information on CandiGONE. You can get CandiGone,

Alli-Cinn and Caprilic Acid you can purchase at local health food store. But do

your research first.

There are many more natural medicines in the business that can help.

Ana

anisaduniam <anisaduniam@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am a young marrie woman living in Australia and candida is ruining my

life in every way. How long is this diet meant to go for? What are

the best herbal medication to buy for it? I don't even know if i'm

doing this properly sorry if i am not.

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I was under the impression that pork isnt the healthiest meat. I know

the lard has health qualities but the meat carries bacteria, right?

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting topic that I've wanted to post here for a while. In NT,

Sally and say no pork meat. But could this be biased simply because

Enig is Jewish? Also, in the " what we eat " article on the WAPF site, Sally and

others eat bacon for breakfast on a semi-regular basis.

I eat lots of naturally raised/fed pork, sometimes medium-rare cooked. It's

delicious, and IMO very safe if the pig was healthy. I don't know what they

could be talking about (in NT) in regards to the mysterious " blood changes " that

supposedly happen from eating pork.

And isn't pork, like, the most commonly consumed meat in the world or something?