Re: Food Allergies - Help!

[Guest guest]

Try the salt ferments! See Sandor Katz's " Wild Fermentation " which

is the hands down best fermentation book out there. Salt is good for

digestion, too.

Just curious since I'm on this amino acid kick, why did you take her

in for testing? Is she smaller than she should be? Trouble gaining

weight? I've got a theory that part of the food sensitivity thing is

that people are low in protease (the enzyme that breaks down

proteins) and that aside from problems with partially digested

proteins getting into the blood and causing an immune response the

person will also suffer from amino acid deficiency (what proteins get

broken down into). Once they are amino acid deficient, they cannot

make the enzymes (which need some amino acids!) so it becomes a

vicious cycle. Add to that the matter of lymph getting congested by

proteins that clog the lymph nodes, and block one of the body's main

waste removal systems, and you get health problems.

>

> Hi everyone:

>

> I just got back from the N.D. It turns out that my 11 year old

> daughter is having high reactions to ALL dairy (which breaks my

heart,

> because we consume all raw dairy), goat milk (don't know that she's

> ever had it), whey, casein, etc, chicken eggs, pineapple, and garlic

> and soybeans (which we don't eat unless its miso). The test showed

> moderate reaction to peanut butter and oranges.

>

> I am hoping there is someone out there who can give me some ideas

so I

> don't have to reinvent the wheel. She has to go on rotation diet

for

> the moderate reaction foods and obviously eliminate the high

reaction

> foods for 3 months.

>

> I need some ideas fast, because a lot of the recipes I follow in NT

> cookbook has whey in them (ie soaking oatmeal, legumes, sauerkraut,

etc)

>

> Any book recommendations? Thanks. I never wanted to be a short

order

> cook for my family of 6, so now I guess I'll have to.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Back in January, I took her to the N.D. to be treated for what I was

first told was eczema on both her hands - red, scaly, dry, itchy,

cracking, bleeding knuckles - the first N.D. gave her Dercut, a

homeopathic remedy which did not work. Two 1/2 weeks ago I took her

to the N.D. that I have started seeing. She thought it was psoriasis

and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking. Within

10 days her hands cleared up and I thought she was cured! At that

visit we decided to do an allergy test because I figured there was

something in her diet causing her hands not to heal on their own.

After starting the probiotic, I thought " let's give her some kefir,

and home-made sauerkraut - more probiotics through food instead of

pills. Well, this past week the redness has started to come back.

Now with the results of the allergy test, it seems I made have made it

worse by giving her the kefir. I will try to make the sauerkraut

again without the whey this time (like Bubbies brand). Plus now we

have to eliminate all those other foods - ugh! its going to be a long

summer for her (and me)! I remember that she had an allergic reaction

when she was mowing the grass last summer (puffy, red and watering

eyes), so we couldn't make her do that anymore. I am hoping that once

we clear this up (whatever it is) that the grass reaction will go away

too. (I told her that some people will do just about anything to get

out of mowing the lawn . I was really surprised about the dairy

because of it being raw. I need clarification if the dairy

elimination includes cream and butter, because those two items are

fat, and they weren't specifically mentioned on the list. Does any of

this describe what you were referring to? I will get that book, I

have heard of it. Thanks.

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

>

> Try the salt ferments! See Sandor Katz's " Wild Fermentation " which

> is the hands down best fermentation book out there. Salt is good for

> digestion, too.

>

> Just curious since I'm on this amino acid kick, why did you take her

> in for testing? Is she smaller than she should be? Trouble gaining

> weight? I've got a theory that part of the food sensitivity thing is

>

[Guest guest]

Poor kid! Doesn't get to mow! That's my favorite chore!

When we went through the dairy thing with my daughter, I found out

that there are different components to the milk that different people

react to; so if she wasn't tested for specific parts of milk there's

no way of knowing if it's just the lactose or some other part. I've

heard that butter can sometimes be ok, especially ghee, where the

liquid has been totally removed but then again there are different

opinions on that; as well as different opinions on just about

anything to do with food sensitivities.

Have you heard much about the mechanism that allows food

sensitivities to cause eczema? I wonder if it's lymph or GI

inflammation that causes poor digestion thus malnutrition or what???

> >

> > Try the salt ferments! See Sandor Katz's " Wild Fermentation "

which

> > is the hands down best fermentation book out there. Salt is good

for

> > digestion, too.

> >

> > Just curious since I'm on this amino acid kick, why did you take

her

> > in for testing? Is she smaller than she should be? Trouble

gaining

> > weight? I've got a theory that part of the food sensitivity

thing is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OK, I just looked up food sensitivities and eczema and saw a British

site that said that while food sensitivities can be found in 10% of

children with eczema, even eliminating the foods will not cure the

eczema, but just help make it less severe; also that the culprit is

many times a sensitivity to dust mites. The recommend mite-proof

covers on the bedding, feather pillows, and freezing stuffed animals

for 24 hours every few weeks. So Hmmm. Maybe if it's too much trouble

and the eczema isn't too severe don't make yourself crazy just lather

on the coconut oil (very soothing on eczema, my friend said).

[Guest guest]

She thought it was psoriasis

> and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking.

Which brand? I have had skin problems like this on and off since I

was 7, and am always looking for something that might stop them.

mike

[Guest guest]

you can use vinegar or lemon juice for soaking grains and legumes.

>

> Hi everyone:

>

> I just got back from the N.D. It turns out that my 11 year old

> daughter is having high reactions to ALL dairy (which breaks my heart,

> because we consume all raw dairy), goat milk (don't know that she's

> ever had it), whey, casein, etc, chicken eggs, pineapple, and garlic

> and soybeans (which we don't eat unless its miso). The test showed

> moderate reaction to peanut butter and oranges.

>

> I am hoping there is someone out there who can give me some ideas so I

> don't have to reinvent the wheel. She has to go on rotation diet for

> the moderate reaction foods and obviously eliminate the high reaction

> foods for 3 months.

>

> I need some ideas fast, because a lot of the recipes I follow in NT

> cookbook has whey in them (ie soaking oatmeal, legumes, sauerkraut, etc)

>

> Any book recommendations? Thanks. I never wanted to be a short order

> cook for my family of 6, so now I guess I'll have to.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>She thought it was psoriasis

and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking. Within

10 days her hands cleared up and I thought she was cured! At that

visit we decided to do an allergy test because I figured there was

something in her diet causing her hands not to heal on their own.

After starting the probiotic, I thought " let's give her some kefir,

and home-made sauerkraut - more probiotics through food instead of

pills. Well, this past week the redness has started to come back. <<<

Sounds like you were on the right track, but went too fast adding more

probiotic foods and caused die-off reaction which brought back the eczema.

GAPS addresses this very clearly and I'd very much recommend especially the

lectures, or at least the book. Some people are addressing the gut damage

repair successfully also with Bee's candida diet.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

[Guest guest]

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/cooking-legumes.html

" Soak legumes in plenty of water that has been brought to a simmer and

poured over the beans; add about 1/4 cup of something acidic (lemon

juice, vingear or whey) to black beans, lentils and fava beans but

soak other types of beans (white beans, brown beans and dried peas) in

plain water--preferably soft water or water with a pinch of baking

soda added. "

>

> Hi everyone:

>

> I just got back from the N.D. It turns out that my 11 year old

> daughter is having high reactions to ALL dairy (which breaks my heart,

> because we consume all raw dairy), goat milk (don't know that she's

> ever had it), whey, casein, etc, chicken eggs, pineapple, and garlic

> and soybeans (which we don't eat unless its miso). The test showed

> moderate reaction to peanut butter and oranges.

>

> I am hoping there is someone out there who can give me some ideas so I

> don't have to reinvent the wheel. She has to go on rotation diet for

> the moderate reaction foods and obviously eliminate the high reaction

> foods for 3 months.

>

> I need some ideas fast, because a lot of the recipes I follow in NT

> cookbook has whey in them (ie soaking oatmeal, legumes, sauerkraut, etc)

>

> Any book recommendations? Thanks. I never wanted to be a short order

> cook for my family of 6, so now I guess I'll have to.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also know (no scientific stuff, just personal and friend's testimony) that

fat needs to be added to the diet. Wether through the mouth by eating more

(friend's issue) or through digestion correction - becoming able to digest

and absorb fat (my issue). Might be worth a look-see. Chrissie

BunnyearsFamily Heritage Farm

firstclassskagitcounty.org

N. Snohomish/Camano Is. WAPF

OK, I just looked up food sensitivities and eczema and saw a British

site that said that while food sensitivities can be found in 10% of

children with eczema, even eliminating the foods will not cure the

eczema, but just help make it less severe; also that the culprit is

many times a sensitivity to dust mites. The recommend mite-proof

covers on the bedding, feather pillows, and freezing stuffed animals

for 24 hours every few weeks. So Hmmm. Maybe if it's too much trouble

and the eczema isn't too severe don't make yourself crazy just lather

on the coconut oil (very soothing on eczema, my friend said).

[Guest guest]

Yes, we coconut oil for a lot of things, and of course we eat it too!

We even made a salve for her hands using coconut oil, raw honey,

lanolin, etc. That didn't make it go away, then I started suspecting

it was something in her diet.

I'd like to know more about the amino acid thing. The test said she

was highly reactive to casein and whey, but didn't mention butter or

cream so I don't know why that is.

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

>

> OK, I just looked up food sensitivities and eczema and saw a British

> site that said that while food sensitivities can be found in 10% of

> children with eczema, even eliminating the foods will not cure the

> eczema, but just help make it less severe; also that the culprit is

> many times a sensitivity to dust mites. The recommend mite-proof

> covers on the bedding, feather pillows, and freezing stuffed animals

> for 24 hours every few weeks. So Hmmm. Maybe if it's too much trouble

> and the eczema isn't too severe don't make yourself crazy just lather

> on the coconut oil (very soothing on eczema, my friend said).

>

[Guest guest]

Mike - she is taking " HLC high potency capsules " by pharmax

christine

>

> She thought it was psoriasis

> > and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking.

>

> Which brand? I have had skin problems like this on and off since I

> was 7, and am always looking for something that might stop them.

>

> mike

>

[Guest guest]

Alice:

I am not familiar with either of these, can you give me some links?

christine

>

> >>>She thought it was psoriasis

> and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking. Within

> 10 days her hands cleared up and I thought she was cured! At that

> visit we decided to do an allergy test because I figured there was

> something in her diet causing her hands not to heal on their own.

> After starting the probiotic, I thought " let's give her some kefir,

> and home-made sauerkraut - more probiotics through food instead of

> pills. Well, this past week the redness has started to come back. <<<

>

> Sounds like you were on the right track, but went too fast adding more

> probiotic foods and caused die-off reaction which brought back the

eczema.

> GAPS addresses this very clearly and I'd very much recommend

especially the

> lectures, or at least the book. Some people are addressing the gut

damage

> repair successfully also with Bee's candida diet.

> Take care,

> Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

> Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

>

[Guest guest]

Probiotics are a great idea, but have you thought of testing her for

heavy metal exposure? You can get eczema from that and food allergies.

if you do, do not do a blood test as the metals reside in tissue. A

chelation test tends to be more acurate. If that is the cause, you may

be able to correct it.

When I had mercury poisoning, I got eczema and tears in the corners of

my mouth (mercury blocks Vitamin B2).

Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

To download or order on CD Dr. Natasha -McBride's 2-part lecture on

" Gut and Psychology Syndrome " go to the Weston A. Price Foundation website

http://www.westonaprice.org

and click on the link in the box beneath the logo that says

" Order recordings from the 2007 conference "

Dr. Natasha's lectures are numbers 6203 and 6219 .They are $13 each to

download, slightly more sent on CD. FYI there is a 30 minute introduction

to WAP by Sally Fallon in 6203.

Her book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " can be ordered from www.nutivene.com

(they don't charge shipping for it and they also have the Bio-Kult) or

http://www.guthealth.info/

A search on her name will also come up with some bits and pieces on the web.

GAPS is based on the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet) and takes it to

another level for healing.

She talks a lot about autism, but also speaks of all the other issues that

can have roots in gut dysbiosis, and it's a HUGE problem, I'll bet it

affects 80% of the population to some degree. Certainly nearly everyone in

my family.

I hear WAPF is having her do an all day seminar next year, and she's writing

another book that will more directly discuss the different physical

manifestations of gut dysbiosis too, which will be nice.

Bee's website is http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com and her egroup is

candida treatment of . I myself prefer GAPS and really

appreciated the understanding I got from it, but Bee's plan has lots of

personal support if that is helpful.

Please ask if you have more questions.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

[Guest guest]

,

> Back in January, I took her to the N.D. to be treated for what I was

> first told was eczema on both her hands - red, scaly, dry, itchy,

> cracking, bleeding knuckles - the first N.D. gave her Dercut, a

> homeopathic remedy which did not work. Two 1/2 weeks ago I took her

> to the N.D. that I have started seeing. She thought it was psoriasis

> and gave her some potent Probiotic capsules to start taking. Within

> 10 days her hands cleared up and I thought she was cured!

I have a similar story. I had eczema that started on my wrists, and

eventually spread to my entire arms from fingers to shoulders on both

arms, a large patch on the left side of my torso, and most of the tops

of my thighs. At its worst, it would become scaly and start cracking

and bleeding. I tried a million things for about a year that had no

effect, and finally took Primal Defense (back before they changed the

formula) and it was 80% gone within 2-3 weeks and 99.9% gone within a

couple months.

At the time, I acknowledged that it started soon after getting a root

canal, which I was half-expecting to do something nasty. In

retrospect, I also believe that it was pretty soon after starting lots

of fermented foods and so on.

> At that

> visit we decided to do an allergy test because I figured there was

> something in her diet causing her hands not to heal on their own.

> After starting the probiotic, I thought " let's give her some kefir,

> and home-made sauerkraut - more probiotics through food instead of

> pills. Well, this past week the redness has started to come back.

> Now with the results of the allergy test, it seems I made have made it

> worse by giving her the kefir.

What type of allergy test did you use? Many, if not most, of them

have no proven validity.

I would try giving her fresh milk. If she has a similar reaction to

the fresh milk, it might be a milk allergy, but if she does not, it's

probably an intolerance to the amines in the kefir formed from

fermentation, which is not an allergy.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 5/15/08, mrszarling <mrszarling@...> wrote:

> Yes, we coconut oil for a lot of things, and of course we eat it too!

> We even made a salve for her hands using coconut oil, raw honey,

> lanolin, etc. That didn't make it go away, then I started suspecting

> it was something in her diet.

I tried stuff like this too and it just made my arms really sticky. Ugh.

I didn't follow through with my thought before -- bad bacteria in the

intestines can make enzymes such as beta-glucuronidase that break down

bonds the liver makes to bind up certain types of chemicals and

excrete them. Probiotics can crowd out these other guys and decrease

levels of these enzymes. So although probiotics might help with food

allergies, they might also help by this mechanism, and increase

tolerance to various chemicals such as the amines in fermented foods,

some of which can cause inflammation. Fermented foods (and various

other foods that are not fermented) can contain histamine, which is

the main chemical responsible for allergic reactions, so they can

cause pseudo-allergic reactions. So my hypothesis -- which you could

test by comparing her reaction to fresh milk with her reaction to

kefir -- is that the probiotics helped by increasing the effectiveness

of liver detoxification and the reaction to kefir is from amines.

Chris

[Guest guest]

try http://www.nutrivene.com/ instead of www.nutivene.com

>

>

> To download or order on CD Dr. Natasha -McBride's 2-part lecture on

> " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " go to the Weston A. Price Foundation website

> http://www.westonaprice.org

> and click on the link in the box beneath the logo that says

> " Order recordings from the 2007 conference "

> Dr. Natasha's lectures are numbers 6203 and 6219 .They are $13 each to

> download, slightly more sent on CD. FYI there is a 30 minute introduction

> to WAP by Sally Fallon in 6203.

> Her book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " can be ordered from www.nutivene.com

> (they don't charge shipping for it and they also have the Bio-Kult) or

> http://www.guthealth.info/

> A search on her name will also come up with some bits and pieces on the web.

> GAPS is based on the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet) and takes it to

> another level for healing.

> She talks a lot about autism, but also speaks of all the other issues that

> can have roots in gut dysbiosis, and it's a HUGE problem, I'll bet it

> affects 80% of the population to some degree. Certainly nearly everyone in

> my family.

> I hear WAPF is having her do an all day seminar next year, and she's writing

> another book that will more directly discuss the different physical

> manifestations of gut dysbiosis too, which will be nice.

> Bee's website is http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com and her egroup is

> candida treatment of . I myself prefer GAPS and really

> appreciated the understanding I got from it, but Bee's plan has lots of

> personal support if that is helpful.

> Please ask if you have more questions.

> Take care,

> Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

> Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

>

[Guest guest]

Chris:

Thanks for the insight.

The allergy test was a blood test processed by US BioTek Labs in

Seattle. She has been on fresh (raw) milk for 3+ years now, however,

the rash on her hands started in December. The rash seemed to go away

once we started the Probiotic, but then has started to return - I

started the kefir (one small glass per day) about a week after she

started the probiotic.

How do you know for sure if the test is valid? What about muscle

testing? Is that more valid than the blood test? My N.D. in MN used

to do the muscle testing (applied kines.) on me, and I was trying to

do this on my daughter yesterday, but I don't think I was doing it

right. She started to cry when I told her she couldn't have butter

and ice cream (we make our own using the fresh raw cream.,)

>

> What type of allergy test did you use? Many, if not most, of them

> have no proven validity.

>

> I would try giving her fresh milk. If she has a similar reaction to

> the fresh milk, it might be a milk allergy, but if she does not, it's

> probably an intolerance to the amines in the kefir formed from

> fermentation, which is not an allergy.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris:

I am not sure I understood all that, but in order to test whether it

was the kefir or if its the milk or any of the other foods on the

list, I need to wait for the rash to go away again right? The thing I

am confused about is, she's had the rash for several months all the

while being on fresh raw milk. The kefir was just given to her a

couple weeks ago.

>

> I didn't follow through with my thought before -- bad bacteria in the

> intestines can make enzymes such as beta-glucuronidase that break down

> bonds the liver makes to bind up certain types of chemicals and

> excrete them. Probiotics can crowd out these other guys and decrease

> levels of these enzymes. So although probiotics might help with food

> allergies, they might also help by this mechanism, and increase

> tolerance to various chemicals such as the amines in fermented foods,

> some of which can cause inflammation. Fermented foods (and various

> other foods that are not fermented) can contain histamine, which is

> the main chemical responsible for allergic reactions, so they can

> cause pseudo-allergic reactions. So my hypothesis -- which you could

> test by comparing her reaction to fresh milk with her reaction to

> kefir -- is that the probiotics helped by increasing the effectiveness

> of liver detoxification and the reaction to kefir is from amines.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. I've heard of the chelation tests, but don't know how they work.

Can you provide more info? It's possible about the mercury, because

she had the " recommended " vaccinations as a baby, before I knew better

Thankfully, she does not have almalgam fillings.

>

> Probiotics are a great idea, but have you thought of testing her for

> heavy metal exposure? You can get eczema from that and food

allergies.

> if you do, do not do a blood test as the metals reside in tissue. A

> chelation test tends to be more acurate. If that is the cause, you may

> be able to correct it.

>

> When I had mercury poisoning, I got eczema and tears in the corners of

> my mouth (mercury blocks Vitamin B2).

>

> Just a thought.

>