RE: Farmers who will ship raw butter?

[Guest guest]

--- chriskjezp <chriskresser@...> wrote:

> I live in the SF Bay Area and for the last several

> weeks Organic

> Pastures has not had raw butter.

I have been having the same problem (I live in

the SF Bay Area also) getting raw butter from Whole

Foods. So I also am interested in this as I have a

major Raw Butter " jones " going on right now.

Please share what you find with the list.

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[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm new and haven't introduced myself yet-I'm from the Seattle

area.

Just thought I would let you know that I received butter from Organic

Pastures last week.

--- chriskjezp <chriskresser@ <mailto:chriskresser%40gmail.com> gmail.com>

wrote:

> I live in the SF Bay Area and for the last several

> weeks Organic

> Pastures has not had raw butter.

I have been having the same problem (I live in

the SF Bay Area also) getting raw butter from Whole

Foods. So I also am interested in this as I have a

major Raw Butter " jones " going on right now.

Please share what you find with the list.

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[Guest guest]

I have been having the same problem (I live in

> the SF Bay Area also) getting raw butter from Whole

> Foods. So I also am interested in this as I have a

> major Raw Butter " jones " going on right now.

>

> Please share what you find with the list.

,

I've been advised that Grazin' Acres in WI has very good raw butter. I just

ordered some

cheese from him (Vernon) last week without even thinking to ask him about

butter. His

number is 608-727-2632.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:15 AM, chriskjezp wrote:

>

>

> Also, I've been trying to figure out whether it's okay to freeze the

> butter (for shipment, and once I receive it). From what I've gathered

> in my research, fat-soluble vitamins aren't damaged by freezing and

> enzymes are also preserved. Probiotics would be killed, but I'm

> guessing the probiotic content of raw butter is fairly minimal

> anyways. Does anyone know differently?

I was just listening to a Q & A session with Sally Fallon from last

year's conference. She said that the butter loses 4% of the enzymes

when frozen -- I think she said enzymes. She also said that Dr. Price

tested butter that had been frozen for a year and the fat-soluble

vitamins were not affected.

Does it really kill the probiotics to freeze? I haven't heard that

before. How come you can freeze kefir grains then?

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

I get raw dairy from Grazin Acres in WI. his cows should be just starting on

grass about

now so I would wait on ordering any butter from him until the middle of May or

so if you

want the bright yellow spring butter.

>

> I have been having the same problem (I live in

> > the SF Bay Area also) getting raw butter from Whole

> > Foods. So I also am interested in this as I have a

> > major Raw Butter " jones " going on right now.

> >

> > Please share what you find with the list.

>

> ,

>

> I've been advised that Grazin' Acres in WI has very good raw butter. I just

ordered some

> cheese from him (Vernon) last week without even thinking to ask him about

butter. His

> number is 608-727-2632.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

I would think probiotics would be fine in the freezer. Yogurt cultures are

stored in the

freezer.

>

> >

> >

> > Also, I've been trying to figure out whether it's okay to freeze the

> > butter (for shipment, and once I receive it). From what I've gathered

> > in my research, fat-soluble vitamins aren't damaged by freezing and

> > enzymes are also preserved. Probiotics would be killed, but I'm

> > guessing the probiotic content of raw butter is fairly minimal

> > anyways. Does anyone know differently?

>

>

> I was just listening to a Q & A session with Sally Fallon from last

> year's conference. She said that the butter loses 4% of the enzymes

> when frozen -- I think she said enzymes. She also said that Dr. Price

> tested butter that had been frozen for a year and the fat-soluble

> vitamins were not affected.

>

> Does it really kill the probiotics to freeze? I haven't heard that

> before. How come you can freeze kefir grains then?

>

> Ann Marie

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is some bacteria may not survive freezing due to the

crystallization of water breaking their cell wall. At least thats

what I read a while back. It was concerning whether or not it was ok

to freeze a kombucha mushroom.

It makes sense to me as freezing will also break the cell wall of

veggies like spinach.

If the culture is dried then it obviously won't have any water inside

of it to contain this problem...and if its a freeze dried culture the

water should evaporate out before freezing.

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> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, I've been trying to figure out whether it's okay to freeze the

> > > butter (for shipment, and once I receive it). From what I've

gathered

> > > in my research, fat-soluble vitamins aren't damaged by freezing and

> > > enzymes are also preserved. Probiotics would be killed, but I'm

> > > guessing the probiotic content of raw butter is fairly minimal

> > > anyways. Does anyone know differently?

> >

> >

> > I was just listening to a Q & A session with Sally Fallon from last

> > year's conference. She said that the butter loses 4% of the enzymes

> > when frozen -- I think she said enzymes. She also said that Dr.

Price

> > tested butter that had been frozen for a year and the fat-soluble

> > vitamins were not affected.

> >

> > Does it really kill the probiotics to freeze? I haven't heard that

> > before. How come you can freeze kefir grains then?

> >

> > Ann Marie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip, Carolyn. I think I will wait until May and make a

big order for the year. I'm about to buy an extra freezer to store

these bulk orders in. Perfect timing.

Best,

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[Guest guest]

>I would think probiotics would be fine in the freezer. Yogurt

cultures are stored in the

>freezer.

There seems to be a lot of disagreement on this. I've heard different

things from different people. I guess I need to do some more

research! I'll report back.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

what kind of freezer are you going to get? Do you already have

an extra freezer or is this in addition to the freezer in your

kitchen? Just curious because I am looking into getting a bigger

freezer. I have an upright in the garage and am considering a chest

freezer. I need more room to store all my meat and dairy!

Ann Marie

On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Kresser wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, Carolyn. I think I will wait until May and make a

> big order for the year. I'm about to buy an extra freezer to store

> these bulk orders in. Perfect timing.

[Guest guest]

> what kind of freezer are you going to get? Do you already have

>an extra freezer or is this in addition to the freezer in your

>kitchen?

Ann Marie,

I was thinking of this one from Home Depot.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051 & \

langId=-1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100586222 & categoryID=503559

Chris

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